11-7 Line Up
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justashadowof
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Scrap the 7 defensemen, just rest the vets some more. There's no reason for Giordano and Brodie to play every game to the end of the season with our 1st round match up already set.
Ianturnedbull
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This thread is an experimental line construction just like your criticism of Keefe. What gives? Isn't this what they call a contradiction?
Nhlpowerweek
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We need every soulja come playoff time cause every soulja gotta story tell.
O'Reilly also is back so we have three steady sucka lines then. I would be surprised if our coach koala would play with 7 D then.... its just not a good tactique in General. In a long run. Just rarely at rare events when suckas is injured and not doing well. When our fools is healthy, we gotta roll and drill those 4 hard lines. Dick deep and on sire.
O'Reilly also is back so we have three steady sucka lines then. I would be surprised if our coach koala would play with 7 D then.... its just not a good tactique in General. In a long run. Just rarely at rare events when suckas is injured and not doing well. When our fools is healthy, we gotta roll and drill those 4 hard lines. Dick deep and on sire.
Ianturnedbull
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Nhlpowerweek
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We is G's sire and pat quinn is a teacher for all of us. I and my group of bankers have invested so much into our organization..... the original poster is right at one point. We have to roll our 4 hard sucka lines and get that paper. Cause we bout it bout it
Ianturnedbull
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7-Eleven line up:
Big Gulp, Slurpy, hot dog, Pizza Slice, Blue Gatorade, Slim Jim...
Big Gulp, Slurpy, hot dog, Pizza Slice, Blue Gatorade, Slim Jim...
justashadowof
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Monster energy, a chocolate milk, a pack of Upper Decks, BBQ Fritos, a cellophane wrapped burrito, a Christmas tree air freshener and a packet of Thrills chewing gum.
By my account, with the roster we have had post TDL, we have won 3 times (Calgary, Edmonton @ home, NJ). We have lost to Vancouver, Buffalo, and an OTL to COL. NJ we dressed 6 D + 12 F
So our official record post TDL w/ 7D+11F is 2-2-1
that said, it is stupid as f***. It puts unnecessary wear and tear on our 11F, where we don't have the same depth that we have at D to handle an injury should it arise. I understand the logic in getting ice time for our 9 NHL quality defensemen, and keeping them sharp. But it is also a problem that was entirely self inflicted. We were seemingly quite comfortable shelfing Rasmus Sandin in the press box as the odd man out, it is time we start doing the same for some of these other guys.
I understand 11F allows Sheldon to experiment more in game with line combo's. I just think enough is enough. This is not training camp. If we are concerned about getting guys reps, lets just have a healthy in and out rotation for the remainder of the year. Including our top dogs. I know "load management" is not a thing in the NHL, but at the end of the day, when you build a roster with 9 NHL defensemen, it is either that or going 7D + 11F.
there is a decent to good chance that we will need this depth at D come playoff time. Especially if we miraculously make it out of R1 or beyond. So on one hand I understand loading up the back end. But I'll be really honest with you, I just cannot understand the Sandin deal. It made very little sense to me at the time it went down, and it continues to make less and less sense with each passing day. I get the whole depreciating asset idea with respect to Sandin, but that is only on the assumption that we were going to go 12F + 6D the rest of the way and the fact that Rasmus would be the odd man out. By my calculation, Gustafsson has only sat 1 game since arriving in Toronto.... We couldn't have given the same treatment to Rasmus???
I love Dubas, I think he is a great hockey mind and a phenomenal GM, but that trade combined with Sheldon's subsequent lineup decisions make little to no sense to me.
Please stop this 11F + 7D. It is nauseating to watch
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Buds17
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I suppose the 7th d-man will play more than the 12th forward would? That said, we're probably talking about quite the marginalized role either way that isn't likely to make or break anything significantly. With 2nd place and home ice advantage maintained, the 11-7 strategy won't irk me too much for the regular season. The playoffs just feel like another matter entirely. We'll see.
CabanaBoy5
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The justification on their part hinges on two things:
1. In the case of injuries, the D will have already played with the new partner. The D will also be well-rested. Get all the possible D combos used to each other.
2. Since ROR is injured, we're short one key cog on offence so might as well experiment with line combinations up front.
But, is this worth it at the cost of wearing out our core 4, particularly Marner? The record with 11/7 hasn't been great because there is so much flux with the lines. It's almost like training camp, only changes to the lineup happen in-game. They obviously have the idea that home ice doesn't mean much and perhaps they're right. I think they're wrong. If they're not concerned with wins and losses, why should we. BUT, if we get eliminated in the first round, you knowwwww the fans are going to point to this experiment and why we didn't try harder to get home ice and solidify our lineup combinations.
1. In the case of injuries, the D will have already played with the new partner. The D will also be well-rested. Get all the possible D combos used to each other.
2. Since ROR is injured, we're short one key cog on offence so might as well experiment with line combinations up front.
But, is this worth it at the cost of wearing out our core 4, particularly Marner? The record with 11/7 hasn't been great because there is so much flux with the lines. It's almost like training camp, only changes to the lineup happen in-game. They obviously have the idea that home ice doesn't mean much and perhaps they're right. I think they're wrong. If they're not concerned with wins and losses, why should we. BUT, if we get eliminated in the first round, you knowwwww the fans are going to point to this experiment and why we didn't try harder to get home ice and solidify our lineup combinations.
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CabanaBoy5
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You're right, as long as all the key players are rested and ready for the playoffs. The problem with playing Marner and Matthews this much at this time of the season is the potential for injury and fatigue going into the playoffs.
DarkKnight
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If one of the big guns gets hurt with all this ice time, Keefe is going to look really really bad. It’s ridiculous, and he’s admitted it in the past the ice time is too much, so why in the eff hasn’t he learned?
Also this 7 D has killed Lil’s confidence, he’s a shell of his former self since Keefe benched him after the Oilers game.
Also this 7 D has killed Lil’s confidence, he’s a shell of his former self since Keefe benched him after the Oilers game.
My point since you missed it - is they should go with a set 6.
I suggested what I like, but to be honest just make a decision Keefe and let them play.
Ianturnedbull
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Your point is a miss here because you listed 7 defenseman.
Go back and look at your original post. You have 7D.
Make your point by being more accurate.
Buds17
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The game reaching and surpassing OT played somewhat of a factor in the minutes logged for each player. In spite of that, I fully agree that those minutes do need to be monitored and managed appropriately going forward.
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Well it's all fine and dandy that we have 11 forwards that are getting used to new lines etc. But when ROR comes back and we have 12f, it is highly unlikely all 12f will last through the playoffs. There will be injuries. We'll need to be at least 14 deep if not more. As it stands, when ROR does come back and that's our 12, when we do get an injury, we'll be throwing in a cold body from the Marlies that hasn't gelled with anyone, into a high pressured playoff game. No Bueno.
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I don't get why anyone is so fixated on this 11-7 business. It's just a chance to give more defencemen some ice time while we can and see what's up. It's not a problem, and certainly not why they've lost a few games.
All of the remaining regular season games are just practice for the playoffs. So the coaches can watch and evaluate more defencemen and pairing options when we have 7. I don't expect this to continue to the playoffs. Some of the upcoming games will be used to do similar tinkering with the forwards. We'll see 6 D and rotate in some of the 12-15 forwards on the depth chart.
All of the remaining regular season games are just practice for the playoffs. So the coaches can watch and evaluate more defencemen and pairing options when we have 7. I don't expect this to continue to the playoffs. Some of the upcoming games will be used to do similar tinkering with the forwards. We'll see 6 D and rotate in some of the 12-15 forwards on the depth chart.
I think it has more to do with figuring out which D-men he can trust in the playoffs, than it does with icing 11/7 for the playoffs. We have 8 NHLers on the blue line, instead of making 2 guys sit a game, rotate 1 guy out. We see what each guy is capable of. To me, Keefe is holding try outs for the playoffs and giving the bottom 3-4 D men an opportunity to prove why they should be the guy to play. I'm not too worried about it.
You've all obviously seen how Holl has been playing since the new guys came in. I have never in my life see him be this physical and play with this much effort. Shit on him all you want, but Keefe has lit a fire under Holl's ass and he's responding really well to it.
If we go into the playoffs and continue to run 11/7 yeah I'll be pissed, but I don't think that's the plan.
You've all obviously seen how Holl has been playing since the new guys came in. I have never in my life see him be this physical and play with this much effort. Shit on him all you want, but Keefe has lit a fire under Holl's ass and he's responding really well to it.
If we go into the playoffs and continue to run 11/7 yeah I'll be pissed, but I don't think that's the plan.
Having 3 dudes under 12 mins of ice time in an 11-7 that goes to OT is insane.
If the games mean so little that you feel the need to experiment. Then don't run our best players into the ground
You can do that with a 12-6 by giving guys like gio rest
If the games mean so little that you feel the need to experiment. Then don't run our best players into the ground
You can do that with a 12-6 by giving guys like gio rest
