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Prospect Info: 10th overall: Vancouver selects Vasili Podkolzin (RW, SKA St. Petersburg)

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Love said:
“Vasiliev Podsloven”
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I'm curious if Smyl was trying use the Russian pronunciation of his name instead of the anglicized version. It seemed kind of like how Pettersson's name in Swedish is more Pet-er-shown. Anybody here know how to say his name in Russian?
 
nowhereman said:
It's the same thing with the old man Galardi pick for Dallas. You would think they would take the 10 seconds to learn the player's name, before announcing it on national television. At least have the name of the player written out phonetically. It's insulting and lazy to do anything otherwise.
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I agree, it's very lazy. It reminds of when Luongo announced the Jordan Schroeder pick. Could somebody just not have told Lu how to pronounce it before they walked up to the stage?
 
This player lines up with a Landeskog profile.

Also how does anyone here know a players hockey IQ? Unless you are the coach and can determine a players ability to follow instructions and execute them, it just makes you sound like a know it all spouting cliches.
 
Brent Burns Beard said:
This player lines up with a Landeskog profile.

Also how does anyone here know a players hockey IQ? Unless you are the coach and can determine a players ability to follow instructions and execute them, it just makes you sound like a know it all spouting cliches.
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Hockey IQ is observable. The best description of it is the ability to read the play, know where to go on the ice, and know where your teammates are. It is easy to tell over the course of a single game that Pettersson has elite hockey IQ and Virtanen has below average hockey IQ.
 
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Brent Burns Beard said:
This player lines up with a Landeskog profile.

Also how does anyone here know a players hockey IQ? Unless you are the coach and can determine a players ability to follow instructions and execute them, it just makes you sound like a know it all spouting cliches.
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i am pretty sure pettersson has a higher hockey iq than jack skille from observation of what they do while playing hockey. we all watch how players handle situations on the ice.

you are right that his coachability is a component of iq and harder to spot, but a low creative iq player may be very coachable.
 
clay said:
Hockey IQ is observable. The best description of it is the ability to read the play, know where to go on the ice, and know where your teammates are. It is easy to tell over the course of a single game that Pettersson has elite hockey IQ and Virtanen has below average hockey IQ.
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No not really. It is just fan boi speak.
 
krutovsdonut said:
i am pretty sure pettersson has a higher hockey iq than jack skille from observation of what they do while playing hockey. we all watch how players handle situations on the ice.

you are right that his coachability is a component of iq and harder to spot, but a low creative iq player may be very coachable.
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Ok you can be pretty sure but when fans on message boards speak as if they are an authority on a players hockey iq, they really lack credibility.

Fans simply have no idea how smart a player is at executing unless you can correlate it to the instructions as directed by the coaches on a day to day basis.
 
Brent Burns Beard said:
Ok you can be pretty sure but when fans on message boards speak as if they are an authority on a players hockey iq, they really lack credibility.

Fans simply have no idea how smart a player is at executing unless you can correlate it to the instructions as directed by the coaches on a day to day basis.
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Hockey IQ is so much more than the ability to follow instructions. Elite NHL players are able to make brilliant plays on a consistent basis that have nothing to do with following instructions.
 
clay said:
Hockey IQ is so much more than the ability to follow instructions. Elite NHL players are able to make brilliant plays on a consistent basis that have nothing to do with following instructions.
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Yes you are right but unless you are personally speaking with the player you have no idea.
 
clay said:
Could not disagree more.
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Ok my bad for taking discussion off topic.

You guys go ahead and keep on pretending you know a players “hockey iq”.

My actual point relative to this thread is that Podkolzin if developed accordingly should fit in like a Gabriel Landeskog type.
 
Love said:
“Vasiliev Podsloven”
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The thing is, when you break his name down phonetically, it's not that hard to say. Especially his last name:

Pod
Kol
Zin

When I listened to Smyl butcher his name, I couldn't help but imagine this Life cereal moment at the Canucks draft table:

Benning: What's this guy the scouts want?
Weisbrod: Some Russian. He's supposed to be good for us.
Benning: I'm not gonna go up there and say his name.
Weisbrod: Hey, let's get Steamer to say it!
Benning: Yeah!
Weisbrod: He'll do it. He'll say anything!

"Vasiliev Podsloven" ... (Smyl actually sounded like his mouth was full of cereal)

Weisbrod: Hey Steamer, you botched it!



If you aren't old/young enough to remember this tv commercial for Life cereal, my post will make absolutely no sense.

I still like the idea that BennBrod made Smyl do it cuz they didn't want to get drowned out by the boos and "Fire Benning" chants.
 
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i’m not even sure Podkolzin has low hockey IQ. But he does play a style that suggests he doesn’t consider other play options other than driving the puck hard and fast to the net. Looks more like “tunnel vision” to use another hockey boi cliche I guess. Doesn’t mean he’s incapable of making different decisions, but for whatever reasons he frequently chooses the same one. Possibly he just views himself as the best option each time.

Or to paraphrase the first Avengers movie:

“We need a plan of attack.”

“I have a plan. Attack.”
 
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His skating is his biggest weakness, and for Virtanen it's his biggest strength. I understand Virtanen hasn't lived up to the hype, and will probably be the reason we're nervous to draft power forwards in the top 10 for the next decade, but his skating isn't the problem. In all my years of watching hockey, Jake Virtanen is one of the most powerful and effortless skaters I've seen.

Podkolzin has a very choppy stride that works, but could be better. Think Bo Horvat at the time he was drafted.
 
People are giving Steamer a really hard time. Take a look at the paper in his hand, it’s shaking as he’s incredibly nervous. Not everyone is comfortable on stage in front of 18000.
 
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People are giving Steamer a really hard time. Take a look at the paper in his hand, it’s shaking as he’s incredibly nervous. Not everyone is comfortable on stage in front of 18000.
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They should have let him run someone into the end wall to help make him comfortable
 
Sergei Shirokov said:
Just not as high on Zegras I suppose. Very flashy, skilled & great hands, but kind of a style vs substance thing for me.

Zegras will get his assists & be good on the PP. He's be a good playmaking T6F. But I don't see him as a 1st line center/driver or whatever sky high projection some might have. Just seems to play a perimeter/outside playmaking game IMO, atleast compared to Podkolzin anyways. Not a great goal scorer either.

I think Podkolzin just brings alot more to the table. His strength & fearlessness going into the hard areas is unmatched in this draft, he's very strong defensively, he adds a power element I think you need to win against tough opponents. And he's got the skill to go along with it too.

In the playoffs, give me Podkolzin over Zegras.
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We clearly have not seen eye to eye on zegras, you seem to post quite often what you dislike about him and I am not sure how he factors in the podkolzin discussion more then us passing on someone like boldy or caufield. I disagree he plays on the perimeter, and yes he is a playmaker primarily but that should not be used to discredit his elite playmaking ability.

If podkolzin pans out he is going to be a very good pick as well, but zegras is also going to be an excellent pick with a ton of offensive upside who also plays responsible in his own zone and could play center, we will see how this plays out in the months and years to come.
 
So on this mispronounciation topic...the very next pick of the draft was made by Jim Benning where we drafted "N..Niles Hogglander"

I wanted us to trade our 2nd + to grab Nils in the late 1st so when he dropped to us I was chanting his name over and over just willing us to pick him. So when Benning started with "Niles" I was like awe s*** lol.

The best people to make the calls on these draft picks are the scouts. GMs/owners don't have a clue most of the time and are announcing these kid for "facetime". Let the experts make the calls. Even the NHL needs to stick to this...Bill Daley butchered a few in round 2. He handed rounds 3-7 over to the Head of Central Scouting who aced it because he was familiar with all the picks.
 
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