Prospect Info: 10th overall: Vancouver selects Vasili Podkolzin (RW, SKA St. Petersburg)

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It definitely caught me off guard at the draft, in that there had been virtually no pre-draft buzz linking the Canucks to Podkolzin, but after the initial surprise some real excitement. A longer term project to be sure, but a very skilled, versatile player that I’m excited to have in the pipeline going forward.

I was at the Pig and Duke here in Calgary (which is the unofficial Canucks bar here), I was sitting beside the owner (who is a huge Canucks fan) and he had been bugging me for who I thought they were going to pick. I never thought they would go with Podkolzin, I thought they would go with Krebs, Newhook or Boldy. I jumped up and fist pumped because I think Pod has the it factor for Russian players, I think his game fits more the NHL/North American style better. Him and Horvat have the potential to be an amazing duo.
 
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I was at the Pig and Duke here in Calgary (which is the unofficial Canucks bar here), I was sitting beside the owner (who is a huge Canucks fan) and he had been bugging me for who I thought they were going to pick. I never thought they would go with Podkolzin, I thought they would go with Krebs, Newhook or Boldy. I jumped up and fist pumped because I think Pod has the it factor for Russian players, I think his game fits more the NHL/North American style better. Him and Horvat have the potential to be an amazing duo.

100% agree - I was sure we were going with one of Krebs, Newhook, Boldy or Caufield. But very happy with how that shook out.
 

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I didn't think Benning and co would ever take him so I never looked into Pod much. I was confused by the Sportsnet "highlight" pack of him. One play they say he stands up for teammates and show him getting dropped and then head butting the player. Next they show him dominating a ceremonial face off.
 

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Well if things aren’t going well that essentially means they aren’t a good player or along those lines which is another ball game

Even good players have growing pains. Tryamkin left despite trending upwards, and while I don’t agree with how that was all handled, I do think the organization acted within its rights.

There’s risk there with Russian players.
 

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I will be the first to admit that I did not extensively view or research Podkolzin before the draft. That said, the notion that he "isn't skilled" is not supported in the commentary regarding him, or even highlight packages. This isn't to say that he is necessarily "uber skilled", but I read reports that suggested he had top line skill which is consistent with the fact that he reportedly ran Russia's top powerplay unit. None of the reports that I have read suggested he wasn't skilled. Overall, production is obviously the biggest risk, but I have also read some pretty comprehensive articles on this as well which do a good job explaining why it was lower than one might have thought. Of course, only time will tell whether he can produce.

With that being said, while you always prefer the player that can produce over the one that can't, all things being equal, it should also be recognized that production is context specific and shouldn't be decisive in projecting prospects. For example, Jordan Schroeder was one of, if not the top, producing player in his draft year, and looked like a steal where the Canucks drafted him. Unfortunately, time proved that his production was a result of great chemistry with Ryan Stoaa. Similarly, Virtanen's goal scoring production was excellent in his draft year, but time suggests that this was an aberration potentially the result of a high scoring percentage.
 

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I understand. With that said, if his true talent puts him in the top5, perhaps all of this is a risk worth taking?

Follow up question: Where do you rank just his skill level? Total package implies that he gives up something in pure sill, but has a well rounded game.
I think he does. Top 5 talent includes the whole package, his compete/pacing is truly a separating factor. Top 5 skill is different. I think his skill level is around a Cozens for me. I don't know if there is a fully top 5 skill set per se, his shot is hard and varied but not top 5 in this draft, i think there are issues with his playmaking ability, but stickhandling/deking top 5 maybe. I think @Blade Paradigm did a very detailed and eye opening analysis on the main prospects board pre-draft/pre-blackbook (which explains the same thing). And it makes a lot of sense. There is a lack of deception there, which causes his passes to be intercepted and bleeds into his shot selection. One of Zegras' greatest qualities and what allows him to do what he does is his deception, allowing him to fool defenders/goalies, by giving the unexpected pass.

I dunno if his IQ is low. That’s the weird thing about him. Makes smart passes at times and he’s already a fantastic defensive player. Other times he gets tunnel vision and runs into a wall.

I agree with the poster who said D+1 is huge for Pod. We want production.

He’s got lots of great tools. Nice shot, tenacious, relentless, and nice passer. Gonna be all about how he uses them and how he shows next year.
I think IQ issues are there, but i wouldn't say it is low like Nichushkin/Virtanen mold. I feel he has top notch defensive IQ, its offense IQ that i think issues are more noticeable. I feel he has a mentality of "Me vs the World" or "I must make a big impact this shift," which leads to him trying to deke 3 opponents for this zone entry, or trying to bowl his way through them. It can seem very individualistic. Trying to do too much maybe.
 
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Not sure if this was posted yet, but here is a thorough analysis of him:





That’s why I think he’s a great fit for VAN. He wasn’t picked to be the “guy” in van but as a piece to fit in with our other young guns. He’ll be great with either Pettersson or Horvat.
 
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I was at the Pig and Duke here in Calgary (which is the unofficial Canucks bar here), I was sitting beside the owner (who is a huge Canucks fan) and he had been bugging me for who I thought they were going to pick. I never thought they would go with Podkolzin, I thought they would go with Krebs, Newhook or Boldy. I jumped up and fist pumped because I think Pod has the it factor for Russian players, I think his game fits more the NHL/North American style better. Him and Horvat have the potential to be an amazing duo.

Which location?
 

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12th Overall: Minnesota Wild – Vasili Podkolzin, RW (Sebastian)

The most polarizing prospect of the 2019 NHL Entry Draft is undoubtedly Vasili Podkolzin. He was touted as being the clear third best player available as recently as January. However, the hard-working winger failed to impress in the various Russian leagues he played in this season. Thus, he falls into the laps of the Minnesota Wild who will swing for the fences with their selection. Podkolzin has the potential to be an elite scorer in the NHL, but he could also fail to develop into a player capable of playing against grown men. Minnesota will look past these warning signs and pick Podkolzin at #12, a selection that may very well be seen as a steal in a few years time.

Source: Montreal Canadiens: Mock Draft for the first round of the 2019 NHL Draft

4. Vasili Podkolzin, RW / 06-24-01 / 6’1 190lbs / VHL
An absolute pit bull. Podkolzin offers high-end offensive awareness, lightning quick hands and a confrontational style. Despite some muted point totals coming from his club team, he’s made a habit of showing up in a big way on the international stage. A potential high-end producer in the NHL.
For a more in-depth look, check out our Deep Dive on Podkolzin

Source: Cam Robinson’s 2019 NHL Draft Rankings – April 2019

6) Detroit Red Wings — Vasili Podkolzin (RW, Russia, SKA St. Petersburg MHL)

Height/Weight: 6-foot-0.75, 196 pounds (CO)
Playoff Stats: 8 GP-2 G-1 A-3 PTS (VHL), 3 GP-2 G-1 A-3 PTS (MHL)
Regular Season Stats: 14 GP-2 G-3 A-5 PTS (VHL), 12 GP-6 G-2 A-8 PTS (MHL)
Central Scouting: 2 EUS
THW Larry Fisher: 3
THW Ryan Pike: 9
THW Andrew Forbes: 3
ANALYSIS: Podkolzin has become one of this draft’s most polarizing prospects and it’s no secret that he’s still under contract in Russia for two more seasons. That will scare off some teams in the top five, in the top 10, but I don’t think he’s falling past Detroit. Podkolzin will be worth the wait and Steve Yzerman has time on his side in taking the GM reins there with a rebuild in mind.
Yzerman has had a ton of success with Russians throughout his career — winning Stanley Cups as a player in Detroit with Sergei Fedorov, Igor Larionov, Slava Kozlov, Slava Fetisov and Vladimir Konstantinov, and coming close as a manager in Tampa Bay with Nikita Kucherov, Andrei Vasilevskiy and Mikhail Sergachev. So, rest assured, Yzerman won’t be scared off by the ‘Russian factor’ when it comes to Podkolzin, who dominated his draft peers at the Hlinka Gretzky Cup and was every bit as impressive at the World Juniors as Hughes and Kakko. Podkolzin’s stock took a hit at the under-18 tournament, but he was playing hurt there, and his overall body of work on the international stage suggests he’s the third-best forward available in 2019.

Source: https://thehockeywriters.com/2019-nhl-mock-draft-round-1/

6. Vasili Podkolzin

Podkolzin is one of the most intriguing prospects in this year’s draft. Early in the season he seemed like the consensus No.3 overall pick but has slipped a little over the course of the season. Whether that is due to his play or teams fearing that he may stay in Russia (or both), Podkolzin will absolutely go in the top-10 and Detroit seems like the most logical landing spot.
The Red Wings organization has always been linked to Russian talent and their new GM has never shied away from taking Russians in the NHL Draft:
Another red flag for Podkolzin is his skating. He is rated as a below-average skater but does everything else so well that it doesn’t seem to matter. Podkolzin has great hands, a great shot, and great vision but it’s his work ethic that sets him apart. When he has the puck, Podkolzin is constantly driving the middle and taking the puck to high-danger areas. When he doesn’t have the puck he is in hard on the forecheck and working to get it.
Podkolzin bounced between the MHL (Russia’s top junior league) and the VHL (second tier pro league behind KHL) and put up decent numbers as a 17-year-old. He had eight points (6G / 2A) in 12 MHL games and five points (2G / 3A) in 14 VHL games while seeing limited ice-time. While representing Russia, he had four points (1G / 3A) in seven games as the captain of their U18 World Juniors team and three assists in seven games at the U20 World Juniors.
SKA St. Petersburg, which is the richest team in the KHL, has Podkolzin under contract through the 2021 season. He plans to play out the duration of that contract and many believe that he will come to the NHL after that. However, whenever you are dealing with a SKA and their deep pockets, it can be difficult to get a player to come to North America.
Scouting Report

He’s a complete winger with all the qualities that you want in a player. He’s competitive and smart, he can score and make plays and he kills penalties. He has some of the things that Pavel Datsyuk had – strong on the puck and maneuvres the puck in tight and you can’t get it away from him. He’s got that uncanny ability to open up the puck for great opportunities. — Craig Button (TSN.ca)
I see a forward with high-end skill, high-end vision, a high-end shot, an elite compete level and physicality, all despite iffy skating, I think he has the potential to be a top-line power winger in the NHL. — Corey Pronman (The Athletic)

Source: NHL Mock Draft 2019: No.6 — Vasili Podkolzin

6. Detroit Red Wings

Vasili Podkolzin (right wing, SKA St Petersburg)
The 6-foot-1, 183-pounder won’t even be 18 years old at the draft, but is expected to be the first Russian player selected despite some disagreement about his game. Some see him as a future dominant right wing just coming into his own, and others see him as more of a hard-nosed, hard-working type who doesn’t have some of the natural offensive gifts of the other forwards taken at the top of the first round. Certainly the Red Wings aren’t afraid of taking a Russian player, and they could be big beneficiaries of that approach if Podkolzin pans out.

Source: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/br...ft-10-hughes-leads-way-usa-hockey?int#slide-8

9. Anaheim Ducks — Vasili Podkolzin (RW, VHL)

With Dach and Cozens off the board, Podkolzin seems like the next best fit for Anaheim. He’s physical— sometimes described as a “pit bull”— and he has a bit of a mean streak. Philip Broberg or Cole Caufield could also be in play here, but I think Anaheim goes for the Russian.
Podkolzin put himself on the map with a dominant Hlinka-Gretzky Cup, quickly leapfrogging to the consensus top 5. He lagged behind in league play, failing to crack a point-per-game in the MHL, which is quite concerning, but his all-around offensive toolkit should be very attractive to NHL teams.

Source: 2019 NHL Mock Draft - DraftGeek

3. Vasili Podkolzin

When you talk about "North-South" players, Podkolzin is exactly what comes to mind. Nearly every time you watch him, it may look like the ice is tilted towards the net he's attacking. He's a top-three talent in this draft and just finds away to break through defenses and maintain puck control. The points didn't come easy for Podkolzin all the time this year, but it's clear he is an elite offensive threat. The biggest knock against him is his skating: he generates good speed despite a very choppy stride.

Source: 2019 NHL Draft Rankings: No. 31 to 1

A LOT of information at SBNation's mock draft here where they have him going 12th: NHL Mock Draft 2019: Minnesota Wild select Vasili Podkolzin with the No. 12 pick
 
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I think he does. Top 5 talent includes the whole package, his compete/pacing is truly a separating factor. Top 5 skill is different. I think his skill level is around a Cozens for me. I don't know if there is a fully top 5 skill set per se, his shot is hard and varied but not top 5 in this draft, i think there are issues with his playmaking ability, but stickhandling/deking top 5 maybe. I think @Blade Paradigm did a very detailed and eye opening analysis on the main prospects board pre-draft/pre-blackbook (which explains the same thing). And it makes a lot of sense. There is a lack of deception there, which causes his passes to be intercepted and bleeds into his shot selection. One of Zegras' greatest qualities and what allows him to do what he does is his deception, allowing him to fool defenders/goalies, by giving the unexpected pass.

I think IQ issues are there, but i wouldn't say it is low like Nichushkin/Virtanen mold. I feel he has top notch defensive IQ, its offense IQ that i think issues are more noticeable. I feel he has a mentality of "Me vs the World" or "I must make a big impact this shift," which leads to him trying to deke 3 opponents for this zone entry, or trying to bowl his way through them. It can seem very individualistic. Trying to do too much maybe.


Lack of deception, interesting. Yes, I can see this being the case.

Andy Lehoux from future considerations rated Podkolzin's passing as a 4 out of 5. Have you seen his NHL Draft Central breakdown? Link is here:



The lack of deception isn't really seen there, but absolutely it can hinder his playmaking ability if it's not worked out.

I'll take a look at Blade Paradigm's post.
 

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I dunno.

Vancouver is a small city comparatively speaking and Russians seem to like to live big and spend big.

Vancouver is a great City to spend big in. A very popular City for the social elites. Here in Richmond I can't cross the street without a Benz almost running me down.
 

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Lack of deception, interesting. Yes, I can see this being the case.

Andy Lehoux from future considerations rated Podkolzin's passing as a 4 out of 5. Have you seen his NHL Draft Central breakdown? Link is here:



The lack of deception isn't really seen there, but absolutely it can hinder his playmaking ability if it's not worked out.

I'll take a look at Blade Paradigm's post.
Sorry, i went back and while Blade does have good analysis with clips a page earlier in this linked thread, but its this post that was what i was referring to. Both sort of explain/summarize the concerns offensively.

I haven't seen the breakdown, but just did and it looks like he gave Cozens a 4/5 for passing as well (eek) but i think like Cozens, he too has shown some high-end passing plays but there are also many that are blocked/deflected when they try more dangerous or creative passes. Pod is still the better passer though.
 

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After watching these videos I think the motor plus borderline excellent skill is a good package.

What we've seen on the team lately is borderline excellent skill with little to no motor (Virtanen, Baertschi, Goldy, etc). Be nice to contrast that with what this guy could bring.
 

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When you either wanted someone else or have no f-ing clue who your team just selected:

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Any Russian-speaking people in here? Was his name pronounced correctly when cheat-sheet-guy announced him? Something like Podstroveeh.
 

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Sorry, i went back and while Blade does have good analysis with clips a page earlier in this linked thread, but its this post that was what i was referring to. Both sort of explain/summarize the concerns offensively.

I haven't seen the breakdown, but just did and it looks like he gave Cozens a 4/5 for passing as well (eek) but i think like Cozens, he too has shown some high-end passing plays but there are also many that are blocked/deflected when they try more dangerous or creative passes. Pod is still the better passer though.
The counter to that being EP40 whos absolutely disgusting at fakery.
 

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One thing that I haven’t seen spoken about is his ability to protect the puck. His pick protection skills are at the top end of the draft
 

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Any Russian-speaking people in here? Was his name pronounced correctly when cheat-sheet-guy announced him? Something like Podstroveeh.

It was honestly f***ing pathetic. I'm not asking Smyl to nail the accents and all that mumbojumbo but at least know the general pronunciation of the player's name and rehearse what you're going to say prior. All of this also applies to the 400 year old man that made Dallas' selection.
 
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