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I'm very amateur at photography. Tend to mainly do things that I like outdoors. I've shot car shows, air shows, and amusement parks mainly for my own consumption but have used the photos when friends ask me about amusement parks and what to do if I've been there.

I have been told I can shoot some good shots but of course I only let out about 10% of what I really shot. So it's definitely an eye test thing if it gets off my computer into someone else's view.

And yes there is a piece of me in every photo I let be seen whether it's because I like the result or the emotions brought out by the result, Some are not great photos but the laugh I had to myself when I see it is what gets it viewed by others.
 
First of all, congratulations on embarking on a passion that can take you to some fantastic places - both internally and externally.

Without unloading a wall of text here, these are some things to consider:

* What you shoot belongs to you. I don't mean only from a copyright angle. I tell people I am present in every photo I take. Part of me is in each photo. Anyone can shoot the Eiffel Tower.

* When it comes to equipment, I am a Canon man. I do have a couple of Sony cameras, but I like the feel of the 5D Mark IV. It "feels" like a camera to me. This is important: your gear won't make you a better photographer. It will, however, be able to create more technically better photos consistently. When you can arrange to do so, the 16mm-24mm, 24mm-70mm, and 70mm-200MM lenses will cover everything. Aim for f/2.8 or "lower" (i.e. wider aperture) for better resolution (due to being able to increase your shutter speed and lower your ISO) and also have a few prime (i.e. non-zoom) lenses. the 50mm ("nifty fifty") is pretty standard, but an 85mm prime lens is increasingly more popular. No need to get too far into the technical here at this point.

* I never had a photography class, but if you have access to one, I recommend it. One word of caution is the world of photography is full of runaway egos, and that can include instructors. People like this constantly feel threatened, especially by new converts, and they see photography in two distinct ways: their way and the wrong way. Your BS meter will probably pick up on this rather quickly.

* Watch YouTube videos on everything from equipment, equipment comparisons, lighting demos, live performance tips (sports, music, etc.), event photography, etc. Watch multiple videos on the same subject so you can holistically evaluate what you feel works for you.

* Make mistakes. Make a lot of them. Embrace the mistakes you made and then make the necessary adjustments the next time out. I made every mistake in the book, and then some. I started out on an iPhone until a friend of mine, who is a nationally (and I believe internationally) known photographer, took a look at some shots I took with my phone and said, "Dude, you need to get a camera." Without those words, I doubt I would have pursued it. I look at my early work and cringe, but it was a necessary part of my journey.

* For software, I recommend using some free versions until you find one which feels intuitive to you. Again, watch YouTube videos. I would not use Photoshop at this stage of the game. You'll end up frustrated. I use Cyberlink's PhotoDirector, and have to say it is by far the most intuitive program I have used with all the bells and whistles without being overwhelming (like Photoshop can be).

* Know your triad - shutter speed, aperture, and ISO. Once you master them, you're 90% of the way there.

* Don't worry about mastering speedlites (flashes) right out of the box. For me, flash photography was the trickiest part of the journey and I'll always be in "learning" mode when it comes to lighting. Start with natural light and go from there. Sony is known for their dynamic low-light range, but keep in mind each manufacturer has its strong points and its shortcomings. Canon is expensive and has a limited selection of lenses, although there are plenty for what any photographer would need. Their high-end gear is outstanding; Nikon has a broader selection of lenses, and they are all quality, but not as much consistent 10/10 across their inventory. Sony, as mentioned above, is great in low light, but has some production elements I'm not crazy about. There are others, but those are the big three. Whatever you choose, you really can't go wrong once you edge into the enthusiast/pro level of bodies and lenses.

* Personally, I want to take photos that have a narrative to them. For example, I can take photos of someone leaning into a guitar solo on stage, with full-on guitar face, but I'm more interested when the solo concludes and the guitarist looks over at the lead singer to hand it back. I'm not saying one photo is better or more important than the other. It's just more meaningful to me.

* Shoot your truth and never apologize. You may have people criticizing your work, telling you what you should shoot and what you shouldn't. I mostly shoot models these days, so you can imagine the criticism I get from certain people. I ignore them. Once you start taking the type of creative photos in order to avoid criticism, throw away your camera and find something else to do.

There is so much more I can expound upon, but I don't want to jam up the thread. If you want to create a photography thread in order to ask more pointed questions or share your work, I'd be more than happy to contribute what I can.
These are all great starting points, I’ve been an ardent student of YouTube University, and that Canon camera has come up a lot, but PhotoDitector looks new to me, so I’ll have to check that out. Some people seem to think an iPhone can work, but it kind of seems too shortcut-ish. But a lot of the things you mention is why I’m looking down this path.
 
These are all great starting points, I’ve been an ardent student of YouTube University, and that Canon camera has come up a lot, but PhotoDitector looks new to me, so I’ll have to check that out. Some people seem to think an iPhone can work, but it kind of seems too shortcut-ish. But a lot of the things you mention is why I’m looking down this path.

I went to Lansdale on Sunday to pick up a used 600EX speedlite (over $600 new; I bought it for $300) from a guy who has been in the game since 1980. A lot longer than me. We talked about smart phone technology ramping up their quality to a point it can challenge some entry-level cameras, but he was still not convinced, and I agree with him, that pro-level DSLRs are in any immediate threat when it comes to image quality. Then again, this was two guys speaking as photographers. To the non-photographer, there is a lot more wiggle room for forgiveness when it comes to smart phones. I don't post anything online with my phone except selfies with friends.
 
I went to Lansdale on Sunday to pick up a used 600EX speedlite (over $600 new; I bought it for $300) from a guy who has been in the game since 1980. A lot longer than me. We talked about smart phone technology ramping up their quality to a point it can challenge some entry-level cameras, but he was still not convinced, and I agree with him, that pro-level DSLRs are in any immediate threat when it comes to image quality. Then again, this was two guys speaking as photographers. To the non-photographer, there is a lot more wiggle room for forgiveness when it comes to smart phones. I don't post anything online with my phone except selfies with friends.
a phone still won’t be able to account for the wider lens, right? People are going to need that.
 
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Posted in the official ticket thread but figured I'd post here too in case people don't check there. If anyone wants to unload tickets for tonight I'm looking to go and hate paying the StubHub fees!
 
a phone still won’t be able to account for the wider lens, right? People are going to need that.

Among other things. Focal length/reach, frames per second (both photo and video), wall-to-wall better focus at lower f/stops, etc.. Don't get me wrong - phones today can do some amazing stuff. They can take highly artistic photos and videos. The iPhone 14 Pro, for example, has 48 megapixels vs. 12 for the Sony a7siii mirrorless, a $3,500 camera. I prefer the color richness and texture with DSLRs over the phones and, if you are looking to get paid work, coming to the event or shoot with just a phone will get you Nelson Muntz'd, regardless of how technologically advanced phones become.

For me, however, it's like taking a bus vs. getting the hot, high-libido female Uber driver. Yeah, you might get to the same basic destination with the former, but the quality of the ride and the ultimate result will be much better with the latter.

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Among other things. Focal length/reach, frames per second (both photo and video), wall-to-wall better focus at lower f/stops, etc.. Don't get me wrong - phones today can do some amazing stuff. They can take highly artistic photos and videos. The iPhone 14 Pro, for example, has 48 megapixels vs. 12 for the Sony a7siii mirrorless, a $3,500 camera. I prefer the color richness and texture with DSLRs over the phones and, if you are looking to get paid work, coming to the event or shoot with just a phone will get you Nelson Muntz'd, regardless of how technologically advanced phones become.

For me, however, it's like taking a bus vs. getting the hot, high-libido female Uber driver. Yeah, you might get to the same basic destination with the former, but the quality of the ride and the ultimate result will be much better with the latter.

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I actually just bought a 14 pro max, literally today, so I guess I’ll find that out. They’re going to be made for wanting to do and post things quickly. May be a good starting point at least.

If I were to get a camera though, do you think coming right in at the top with the Canon is a good idea? Or should I use something else (probably get sonething used) like the others you listed until I know what I’m doing?
 
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@Kermit the Prog Apologies for jumping in, but you've posted some of your work and it was obvious you know what you're doing.

I'm actually shopping for a camera for my wife for Christmas. I don't know specifics other than she wants to do some nighttime sky photography among other interests. Would you consider a used Mirrorless from a reputable place like B&H or Adorama to be a reasonable purchase or should I suck it up and buy new? Let's say the budget is $2500ish for the body.

If the answer involves going to a store, I don't mind a trip up to B&H or whatever else makes sense.
 
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@Kermit the Prog Apologies for jumping in, but you've posted some of your work and it was obvious you know what you're doing.

I'm actually shopping for a camera for my wife for Christmas. I don't know specifics other than she wants to do some nighttime sky photography among other interests. Would you consider a used Mirrorless from a reputable place like B&H or Adorama to be a reasonable purchase or should I suck it up and buy new? Let's say the budget is $2500ish for the body.

If the answer involves going to a store, I don't mind a trip up to B&H or whatever else makes sense.

Your wife has something like 73 hobbies and I can't manage to make time for 3 or 4.
 
Ted Cruz rode on a military vehicle in the Astros parade and was hit with a full can of beer.
If Oprah lived in Pennsylvania,she would have already voted for Fetterman. Can we get someone to hit Oprah with a full can of beer too, so these stupid ads will stop polluting this site.
 
If Oprah lived in Pennsylvania,she would have already voted for Fetterman. Can we get someone to hit Oprah with a full can of beer too, so these stupid ads will stop polluting this site.
Oprah would catch it, tip it upside down, crack it open and proceed to pound it and then belch long and loud afterwards like Booger from Revenge of the Nerds...
 
I actually just bought a 14 pro max, literally today, so I guess I’ll find that out. They’re going to be made for wanting to do and post things quickly. May be a good starting point at least.

If I were to get a camera though, do you think coming right in at the top with the Canon is a good idea? Or should I use something else (probably get sonething used) like the others you listed until I know what I’m doing?
My advice is to get something entry level but still of decent quality. Try the Canon Rebel 6Ti, 7Ti, or 8Ti. I can't speak for Nikon or Sony. Perhaps someone else here can. These Rebels are "crop sensor" cameras, not full frame (pro). Generally they come with a kit lens, perhaps two. If you buy off of Facebook Marketplace or eBay, they will probably have some accompanying lenses. In short, a crop-sensor lens (APS-C) will extend the range, but won't give you as much breadth. You can use the Canon pro "L" lenses on crop sensor (i.e. entry level) cameras, but you can't use APS-C (cropped) lenses on full-frame (i.e. pro-level) cameras. My advice when building your gear is to invest in good lenses first before investing in better cameras.

Many are converting to mirrorless cameras, of which each of the major brands carry. Some swear by them while others prefer the old school DSLRs. Keep in mind, you cannot use DSLR lenses on mirrorless bodies, or vice-versa. You can buy lens adapters to fit them, however, but the guys I know who did that did not like it, owing to the fact it's another level of separation from the camera body to the adapted lens and experiencing a slight drop on quality. Whether you go Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax, etc., once you're in, you'll want to be all in. When switching from one brand to another, you have a financial uphill climb. Don't overload yourself with buying, say, a Canon Rebel and an entry-level Sony mirrorless at the same time. It's challenging enough to learn and master one system, but two at the same time might cause some loud yelling.
 
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