“It could go to $9M… Sign Knies first and see what’s leftover… because he’s going to get offer sheeted.”

[francis246]

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What's crazy is Carolina can't even offersheet him for 9 million, they have to either do under 5 or above 11.5 which they'd be crazy to do either way.

Just looking at that list, ignoring the first tier (no one is offering Matthew Knies more than what nylander makes) who actually is willing to offer knies above 9. Edmonton has bouchard and need to add depth/a goalie. vegas has so many contracts that it would be near impossible to juggle all of that.

Knies isn't going to get LA over Edmonton so that would be dumb for them. The rest are rebuilding teams or in much worse positions than us.

I guess vegas or njd coming in with a 10x5 would be troublesome but who tf would actually offer that much for matthew knies. Sebastian Aho got offersheeted 8.5ish (10.37%) after a PPG season and lead his team in scoring and to the playoffs, where he lead them once again. 10M would give knies a 10.47% cap hit. It's just not possible for someone to commit that much money to him.

Offersheets are best done in the 2nd/3rd round pick range. Look at Broberg and Holloway, that was St louis identifying a cap strapped cup contender that was reluctant to bring youth in and they pounced. Knies isn't in that category.

Agreed, it’s completely unrealistic. It’s just Bukala and Mike Futa rage baiting leafs fans like always. I know the Hurricanes had a ton of interest in Knies but are they going to to give up 4 1st rounders to get him? I don’t think so. Plus every other GM will look at the comparable contracts of higher drafted young players and laugh. I think Knies signs a 5.5 million bridge or he goes long term at 7.5 is my guess. I think leafs are probably hoping for an 8x8 type deal or 7.5x8.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Elite-level understanding of this situation:

We'll be ok.










My Dude

 

[Donnie740]

Heck no, money wise Toronto goes from 0 to Kucherov in about 1.5 seasons flat lol

Not anymore now that Toronto has a professional GM like Treliving instead of a gimp kid pretending he’s a GM.

The days of handing over a blank contract and letting them the player and his agent - - or father - - fill out whatever terms they want, have finally ended.

Unfortunately for Pittsburgh fans, they’re just beginning.

 

[Warden of the North]

What teams even have the picks required to do that offer?

Remember, it has to be their own picks used, not someone else's.

 

[DragoGrizzly]

I have a hard time calling anyone greedy for maximizing a contract.

How many people here are taking a paycut to help out their company?

Yes I fully understand the cap ramifications, and the fact they get paid a lot but the principle is the same. Almost every company has an internal cap and if your boss came to you and asked you to take less so they could hire another person, you would most likely burst out laughing.

Now a second contract after you have made millions I could see. But a young player with no guarantee he ever gets another is hard to judge.

See I hear this argument all the time and I really don’t see the comparison. You can’t compare a capped sport to regular business and say “you’d all do the same!”. There’s a huge difference that is always overlooked. If I demand a contract in a fixed environment that lessens the company’s ability to attract more talent and I don’t succeed in the goal of the company, I quickly get fired.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

 

[Puckstuff]

What is Knies without Marner and Matthews?

Still a very elite power forward type player, but probably more like 20-25 goals, 40-45 points over 82.

9 m is ridiculous. He should be closer to 6. They probably do 6.5-7 if they get him long term.

 

[ToneDog]

I have a hard time calling anyone greedy for maximizing a contract.

How many people here are taking a paycut to help out their company?

Yes I fully understand the cap ramifications, and the fact they get paid a lot but the principle is the same. Almost every company has an internal cap and if your boss came to you and asked you to take less so they could hire another person, you would most likely burst out laughing.

Now a second contract after you have made millions I could see. But a young player with no guarantee he ever gets another is hard to judge.

Do you think any of the three amigos did not get more than market value 5 of 6 contracts? Add huge July 1 bonuses, their preferred term and full NMCs and they got it all and delivered one series win thanks to Vasi.

Nylander got more than Pasta x2
Marner got more than Kutch, Ranta and Point
Matthews got more than Eichel for fewer years on his first deal and more than MacKinnon for fewer years on his second deal.

Matthews is the only one with hardware and awards. The others have won squat individually and as a team.

 

[francis246]

Do you think any of the three amigos did not get more than market value 5 of 6 contracts? Add huge July 1 bonuses, their preferred term and full NMCs and they got it all and delivered one series win thanks to Vasi.

Nylander got more than Pasta x2
Marner got more than Kutch, Ranta and Point
Matthews got more than Eichel for fewer years on his first deal and more than MacKinnon for fewer years on his second deal.

Matthews is the only one with hardware and awards. The others have won squat individually and as a team.

Marner has NHL individual awards, 2x 1st NHL All Star team. (Those count as NHL individual awards) No trophies though.

Nylander I don’t think has won anything.

Tavares won the Mark Messier Award in 2018 I believe.

 

[ToneDog]

See I hear this argument all the time and I really don’t see the comparison. You can’t compare a capped sport to regular business and say “you’d all do the same!”. There’s a huge difference that is always overlooked. If I demand a contract in a fixed environment that lessens the company’s ability to attract more talent and I don’t succeed in the goal of the company, I quickly get fired.

Nailed it. In the real world Rielly would have been fired a year ago. Instead he is guaranteed $7.5m for 5 more years, whether he produces or keeps underperforming his contract and hurting the team's chances to add better talent.

 

[Confucius]

The money Hes looking for is all but eliminating marner from the roster

Well then, pay the man… lol

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Might as well say "I want to get traded" if he ever comes to the negotiating table starting at 9M or higher.

 

[Jojalu]

See I hear this argument all the time and I really don’t see the comparison. You can’t compare a capped sport to regular business and say “you’d all do the same!”. There’s a huge difference that is always overlooked. If I demand a contract in a fixed environment that lessens the company’s ability to attract more talent and I don’t succeed in the goal of the company, I quickly get fired.

It's not the greatest I will agree but it has an element of truth.

Most businesses are capped based on their overhead and revenue. They couldn't just pay more if they decided unless it cut into profits. They most likely wouldn't fire you but they would simply just say no.

The Leafs could learn that lesson

 

[Jojalu]

Do you think any of the three amigos did not get more than market value 5 of 6 contracts? Add huge July 1 bonuses, their preferred term and full NMCs and they got it all and delivered one series win thanks to Vasi.

Nylander got more than Pasta x2
Marner got more than Kutch, Ranta and Point
Matthews got more than Eichel for fewer years on his first deal and more than MacKinnon for fewer years on his second deal.

Matthews is the only one with hardware and awards. The others have won squat individually and as a team.

I am not saying anything except that I don't hold it against them.

I would have preferred Matthews took less, Nylander too but I understand where he is coming from. He was paid far less than the others.

I am more frustrated with the Leafs for always saying yes. It seems like they lack the ability to say no, or fear it

 

[thewave]

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Looks like an Environmentalist to me. Could be Kyle Dubas. Very effective.

Knies 9M is going to be confirmed soon

 

[Menzinger]

This is comically absurd, and the media deserves to get called out when guys are allowed to just spree nonsense.

It's also worth reminding folks that not a single Leafs player has ever signed an offer sheet in the cap era. It's the biggest empty threat

I thought the Dylan Guenther deal would be a potential comparison with Knies. 8 years, $57 million, over $7 million in AAV.

Yeah, I can see him potentially getting around that level if they look to do a 7-8 year deal.

Which imo id do from a team pov. The price for a power forward will keep going up and this is a chance for the Leafs to potentially lock up one before he truly breaks out

 

[colchar]

I’m taking the 4 1st round picks.

That ain't what they'd get.

 

[hullsy47]

I’m taking the 4 1st round picks.

Knies is good, he’s not 2 million dollars less than nylander good

It’s a 3 year bridge, the team or player don’t need to complicate this

If he signs an offer sheet its likley he ll be traded to the team.he wants to sign with
He aint worth more than cozens

 

[Stephen]

He was terrible in Nashville. Just all over the place and carelessly taking penalties.

 

[Raging Bull]

He was terrible in Nashville. Just all over the place and carelessly taking penalties.

Now worth 5 M long term. If he waits until after his next game if he plays well enough it could bump it back up to 9.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Can the leafs media be dissolved and could the team just lose money for a while?
Players would magically sign for way less because they wouldn't have media pumping them up every second

 

[arso40]

Can the leafs media be dissolved and could the team just lose money for a while?
Players would magically sign for way less because they wouldn't have media pumping them up every second

That’s the number 1 problem the media drives everyone of these players prices up ffs like F off for a bit and talk basketball or something go screw the raptors cap situation instead

 

[Apex Predator]

That’s the number 1 problem the media drives everyone of these players prices up ffs like F off for a bit and talk basketball or something go screw the raptors cap situation instead

The media saying he is worth 9 million is not driving his price up. If a team is foolish to offer sheet him 9 million then that team has problems. No one is offer sheeting him 9 million.

 

[arso40]

The media saying he is worth 9 million is not driving his price up. If a team is foolish to offer sheet him 9 million then that team has problems. No one is offer sheeting him 9 million.

That might actually be his price he didn’t want to negotiate this year either Hes learning from the leaders on the team I don’t think that number magically appeared it’s coming from somewhere

 

[NVious]

The Toronto culture effect, spend enough time around these rotten overpaid losers and you start to think of yourself as a God.

I'm just surprised the team hasn't signed a few of us to 500k-1mill, we deserve it too.