Boston Bruins ‘22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. IV

[Hookslide]

I’m a baseball and football guy - so excuse my ignorance not thinking Zacha is a one hit wonder.

His vision and ability to play with skill is Debruskish level

Don't apologize for being a football, baseball guy you know more than some of these so called hockey experts .............Stats are not everything but 50 pts is pretty good that means 5o times the puck went in the net and it does not matter who put it in . Your vision is fine he is he has played some solid all around hockey this year , now the contract talks will be a different matter...........

Sure but I see almost no chance they could get both.

Shoot one of those and a complimentary depth piece would be pretty phenomenal.

You are spot on they are not getting both ,but I have been wrong many times before . My preference and have stated many times is defenseman..........If I had a preference and had to overpay for a forward Timo Meier is my choice .............

 

[JOKER 192]

Trade Grizz for a 1st
Package that 1st , Bruins 1st, Lohrie and Smith for Chychrun .
Win Stanley Cup.
Profit

 

[BruinDust]

Trade Grizz for a 1st
Package that 1st , Bruins 1st, Lohrie and Smith for Chychrun .
Win Stanley Cup.
Profit

I'm not against Chychrun but this is an interesting article about what type of player Chychrun actually is.

Is Jakob Chychrun the right trade target for the Edmonton Oilers?

The Edmonton Oilers will be in search of a top-four defenceman who can help on the defensive side to brings their goals against down. Is Jakob Chychrun that guy?

www.sportsnet.ca

Seems like the consensus is he's basically an offensive puck-mover who has his warts on the defensive side of the puck, despite his size and strength.

 

[HumBucker]

Sitting behind net at ice level for two periods the Bruins defend and being a long time coach for defenseman - I love watching how these guys react to pressure, retrieve pucks, breakout. I’m on the right post so I can hone in on McAvoy & Carlo and it’s been a joy. Carlo and Lindholm are elite. Brandon looks like a different guy this year.

Grzelcyk has as good a stick and anticipation as anyone. It’s to bad he’s not 6’2” and I wouldn’t have to read so many shitty comments

Clifton is a nice third pair and hopefully gets paid somewhere - not sure they can fit him in unfortunately and he’s not what I want as a shutdown guy

Good observations. Thoughts on Forbort?

 

[xjoeyc23x]

Good observations. Thoughts on Forbort?

Quicker than last year.

 

[DKH]

Good observations. Thoughts on Forbort?

He’s a useful club in the bag

Very good PK and shot blocker but he’s more physical than I thought

When I used to take my kid to Manchester games he was a favorite of hers / and the Darla basset hound thing; teammates love him

Bottom pair who has specific skill set

If you need a bottom 6 guy who’s got those skills a good teammate I’m all in

I do not like him as a top 4 - above his skillset

Quicker than last year.

We were saying that a couple of months ago at game - moving better

 

[JOKER 192]

I'm not against Chychrun but this is an interesting article about what type of player Chychrun actually is.

Is Jakob Chychrun the right trade target for the Edmonton Oilers?

The Edmonton Oilers will be in search of a top-four defenceman who can help on the defensive side to brings their goals against down. Is Jakob Chychrun that guy?

www.sportsnet.ca

Seems like the consensus is he's basically an offensive puck-mover who has his warts on the defensive side of the puck, despite his size and strength.

Interesting, I was thinking offense in acquiring him.

We do need to consider a few things.

He does play for one of the perennial worst teams in the league and that will influence the stats.

Bruins could really use a few goals from the back end , that could put them over the top. Jacob could be that guy.

Now I'm trading to replace Grizz , he can play a heavy game, is excellent in zone entries, with Fobbort and Lindholm on the left, he is not required to play PK .
He will add 40 PPS over what Grizz can bring.

He may not be the perfect fit in Edmonton because they need someone to keep pucks out of their net. We can keep pucks out of our net.

Look at Lindholm's numbers compared to when he was in Anaheim. I suspect it wouldn't hurt Chychrun's numbers playing with the Bruins.

 

[Grimey]

I wouldn’t mind Mcdavid at 50% for a 7th round pick but I don’t think either is very likely

Make it a 1st and throw in Ryder and Halak, and you have a deal

 

[SPLBRUIN]

While I’m a fan of Zacha I’m not sure I’d be ready to sign him to a much bigger contract next season. He’s currently on pace to score 11G 39A 50PTS, his current cap hit is 3.5m. What’s a fair contrast assuming he’s scoring at a similar pace the next few seasons? 4.5m per? 5?

I think you are forgetting that he is doing this with very little PP time while also moving up and down the lineup playing all 3 forward position's. With regular PP time his numbers would be far above what they are now.

 

[bme44]

Trade Grizz for a 1st
Package that 1st , Bruins 1st, Lohrie and Smith for Chychrun .
Win Stanley Cup.
Profit

If you think you can get a first for Gryz make that trade

 

[DKH]

Freakin team is 32-4 and ‘yah letz trade Grizz cuz he’s short even though he’s tallah den me’

Go Broonz

Oh and les’ trade Carlo cuz he’s not tuff like us guyz’

Go Broonz

 

[Over the volcano]

I just don’t see how they can sign Zacha unless he’s a last resort type deal next season

Zacha is pretty much guaranteed to me gone unless the bruins whiff on centers and zacha is a last resort. If frederic and Clifton want to keep taking near minimum they can stay or else theyll probably be cap casualties as well.


You do not want Zacha as a #2 center. Excellent third liner, but hell no to him being an 2nd line guy of the future.

He's a 25 year old 2nd line jack of all trades. Nothinhg spectacular, maybe just a complimentary piece but surely valuable.

They're clearing 11 million upfront between Foglino, Smith, Wagner and Nosek.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Since Gryzlyk doesn't have huge stats I think we might extend him in line with his current cap hit this offseason. The team mutinied when Butch scratched him last year is what it is.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Clifton replacement is... Mike Reilly if he can't be moved.

We are going to lose a couple good players this offseason. I don't see how Fredric's agent lets him take under 5 per year. Wouldn't have been a bad thing from a hockey perspective alone if Mitchell Miller was lighting it up in Providence and we had an ELC guy to fill a roster spot for the minimum to replace Cliffy.

I guess it depend where Frederick's stats end up, but right not we are talking about a player with 16 points on the season. In what is by far his best season. Maybe he continues his improved play of late and pushes up towards 20 goals and 40 points. But even there it is a one year breakout getting up to 5 million per year seems a lot . He is an RFA, is he arbitration eligible? I don't think so (I could be wrong). If he is not that kind of means he is left with Boston as his only option. I would be surprised is he gets much above 3 million per year. My guess is 3 yrs 10 mil total or 2/6

 

[Over the volcano]

I guess it depend where Frederick's stats end up, but right not we are talking about a player with 16 points on the season. In what is by far his best season. Maybe he continues his improved play of late and pushes up towards 20 goals and 40 points. But even there it is a one year breakout getting up to 5 million per year seems a lot . He is an RFA, is he arbitration eligible? I don't think so (I could be wrong). If he is not that kind of means he is left with Boston as his only option. I would be surprised is he gets much above 3 million per year. My guess is 3 yrs 10 mil total or 2/6

Maybe - but if we're looking at pts, consider at even strength he's got 5 more games than Marchand and 3 more pts. He's 4th on the club in even strength goals tied with Bergeron. With any kind of PP time his numbers would surely jump (not saying boston doesn't have better options, but other teams certainly don't).

He leads the team in pts/60 at even strength

 

[Gordoff]

One of the downside to being the best team in the NHL and the team needs are a depth players

I would say that it's one of the benefits of being the BEST team in the NHL (right now).

 

[DominicT]

I guess it depend where Frederick's stats end up, but right not we are talking about a player with 16 points on the season. In what is by far his best season. Maybe he continues his improved play of late and pushes up towards 20 goals and 40 points. But even there it is a one year breakout getting up to 5 million per year seems a lot . He is an RFA, is he arbitration eligible? I don't think so (I could be wrong). If he is not that kind of means he is left with Boston as his only option. I would be surprised is he gets much above 3 million per year. My guess is 3 yrs 10 mil total or 2/6

He is arbitration eligible.

 

[LouJersey]

He's a 25 year old 2nd line jack of all trades. Nothinhg spectacular, maybe just a complimentary piece but surely valuable.

They're clearing 11 million upfront between Foglino, Smith, Wagner and Nosek.

They will have an inordinate amount of work to do next summer, but I’m kinda blocking it out and just enjoying this wonderful on ice product.

In my eyes the GM has built a Stanley cup winning caliber team for the 3rd time in five years

 

[DominicT]

They will have an inordinate amount of work to do next summer, but I’m kinda blocking it out and just enjoying this wonderful on ice product.

In my eyes the GM has built a Stanley cup winning caliber team for the 3rd time in five years

Lou, I have a job for you....

Of all the in season trades Sweeney has made as GM, how many were made while the team was on the road versus how many were made while at home?

 

[NeelyDan]

Freakin team is 32-4 and ‘yah letz trade Grizz cuz he’s short even though he’s tallah den me’

Go Broonz

Oh and les’ trade Carlo cuz he’s not tuff like us guyz’

Go Broonz

I’m so tired of this …joke? I think? I mean it sorta has to because what’s happening is people aren’t concerned about his size, per se (you don’t hear the same comments about a similarly sized Clifton), but his (mostly playoff) hesitation to go into the corners and/or ability to not get bullied in front of the net during a time of the year where physicality gets amped way up.

And it’s a legitimate concern, so I don’t get this super hostile response type

 

[LouJersey]

Lou, I have a job for you....

Of all the in season trades Sweeney has made as GM, how many were made while the team was on the road versus how many were made while at home?

Damn

Every big deal was on the road, extended road trip generally. Lots of times west coast too.

Very exciting.

 

[DominicT]

Damn

Every big deal was on the road, extended road trip generally. Lots of times west coast too.

Very exciting.

Surprising isn't it?

I was surprised when I looked them up this morning.

 

[mar2kbos]

I’m so tired of this …joke? I think? I mean it sorta has to because what’s happening is people aren’t concerned about his size, per se (you don’t hear the same comments about a similarly sized Clifton), but his (mostly playoff) hesitation to go into the corners and/or ability to not get bullied in front of the net during a time of the year where physicality gets amped way up.

And it’s a legitimate concern, so I don’t get this super hostile response type

I tend to bring out hostility in people

 

[LouJersey]

Surprising isn't it?

I was surprised when I looked them up this morning.

Shit yeah, great find.

 

[mar2kbos]

They will have an inordinate amount of work to do next summer, but I’m kinda blocking it out and just enjoying this wonderful on ice product.

In my eyes the GM has built a Stanley cup winning caliber team for the 3rd time in five years

While he deserves credit he also got lucky this past off season. If Bergeron and Krejci got what they could in the open market neither would be here. If they weren’t loyal to the team and willing to take fourth line pay team would be vastly different, not a basement dweller but nothing like they are now.

 

[UncleRico]

He's a 25 year old 2nd line jack of all trades. Nothinhg spectacular, maybe just a complimentary piece but surely valuable.

They're clearing 11 million upfront between Foglino, Smith, Wagner and Nosek.

And they have $19.9m in cap space without signing pasta next year.



So if the rumors are true about $11m for pasta then that drops down to $8.9m in cap space with still needing to sign

1c, 2c, 3LW, 3RW, 4c, 4RW, 4LW and swayman.

Way too many holes to fill to be giving him a new deal.