HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #87: 2024 Season Finale

[Whalers Fan]

watching the carolina/NYR game and man I would offer the moon for Svechnikov...Hurricanes kinda need a 2C since KK completely lost it but we do not have a 2c to spare... and I saw that they might lose 3 of their D's this summer..and the 3 others next summer..they do have nice D prospects in Morrow and Nikishin but, I assume they will need more.

So, if Brady Skjei and Brett Pesce decide to walk this summer, I would offer :

Mike Matheson + Mailloux or Xhekaj + Calgary's 1st round pick in 2025

for

Andrei Svechnikov

Carolina is not trading Svechnikov - - especially not for that offer.

 

[habdynasty]

Trade Savard, he’s old and won’t get any faster. Free up a spot for a young D

 

[NicRattlehead]

Just the pick and and Harris or added with Ghule?

I’m not an expert by any means - I’m an American CPA (accountant) so that qualifies me for nothing lol.

But yes, no Guhle. Just a pick and a defenseman not Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson, or Xhekaj (I don’t think they’re trading him).

Marner not waiving for the Habs. Think about it.

lol. Yeah probably not - a Toronto kid/lifelong leafs fan and we’re not currently a contender.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Trade Savard, he’s old and won’t get any faster. Free up a spot for a young D

Maybe at the next TDL. But for now, someone like Hutson will need the savvy and reliable Savard to pair up with.

Make no mistake, the young guys are learning lots from Matheson and Savard.

 

[Vachon23]

Trade Savard, he’s old and won’t get any faster. Free up a spot for a young D

No, we need his leadership, experience and his stability defensively.

His more valuable to the Habs then the value we will get for him

 

[Leto]

No, we need his leadership, experience and his stability defensively.

His more valuable to the Habs then the value we will get for him

Beside Barron becoming waiver eligible, there is no rush to keep Reinbacher & Mailloux in MTL if they are not ready. I wouldn't mind extending Savard for another year at a low salary. Like you said, he's good with the kids and wants to stay home. If he is okay with eventually being the 6-7D in the near future, that's a no-brainer for me.

 

[Miller Time]

That’s right - $84M to be exact w $64M in bonus payouts. Playing hockey is their livelihood, it’s all about maximizing take home earnings especially for top end players where we’re talking generational wealth

Many top end players across several pro sports have shown this not to be true.

 

[salbutera]

Many top end players across several pro sports have shown this not to be true.

No player has ever left million$ on the table…ever.

Couple of hundred K sure.

 

[Habs Halifax]

No player has ever left million$ on the table…ever.

Couple of hundred K sure.

Tavares might have. Rumors are the Sharks offered him $13M AAV.

 

[Miller Time]

No player has ever left million$ on the table…ever.

Couple of hundred K sure.

Leaving "millions on the table" & "it's all about maximizing earnings" are two completely different statements

This isn't a garden, no strawman required

And several players have indeed left millions on the table. So that comment is itself demonstrably false.

You may have heard of a guy named Tom Brady?

O-2

 

[salbutera]

Tavares might have. Rumors are the Sharks offered him $13M AAV.

SJS offer wasn’t eligible for bonus structure payout Leafs offered - SJS would’ve needed to offer $10M more over duration of contract to match the take home Leafs contract provided

 

[Habs Halifax]

SJS offer wasn’t eligible for bonus structure payout Leafs offered - SJS would’ve needed to offer $10M more over duration of contract to match the take home Leafs contract provided

Why wasn't the Sharks offer not eligible for bonus structure? How do you knows this? All I remember is they were offering $13M and there is no way you can tell me what the bonus structure was. I doubt that type of information is available.... like the exact contract details.

Sharks gave E Karlsson $53M/$92M in bonus structure. The year after Tavares signed.

 

[ottawa]

Trade Savard, he’s old and won’t get any faster. Free up a spot for a young D

You don't trade someone just because he's old and not getting any faster lol

If he gets displaced by a younger defenseman naturally then sure, but it would be beyond stupid to force a young D to take his spot when there's plenty of room for them to gain professional experience in the AHL.

 

[salbutera]

Why wasn't the Sharks offer not eligible for bonus structure? How do you knows this? All I remember is they were offering $13M and there is no way you can tell me what the bonus structure was. I doubt that type of information is available.... like the exact contract details.

Because there’s a special clause created in the Canada / US tax treaty as an exemption for athletes to allow bonus payments from Canadian teams to be taxed at a ridiculously low rate (via tax credits) as long as they maintain US residency status (6-months + 1-day on US soil).

Canadian teams along w Bettman lobbied US & Cdn govts hard as a means to even the playing field for attracting players to Canada.

Auston Matthews was the first player to take full advantage of it w the 2nd contract which was almost entirely paid in bonuses with approx $800K as taxable salary

Heavily bonus structured contracts are an enormous advantage for Cdn NHL teams, especially Leafs, Habs and Cgy/Edm due to lowest provincial taxation - only catch it for US resident players only and Tavares is now going to get whacked by Revenue Canada because he has broken his residency requirements

 

[Habs Halifax]

Because there’s a special clause created in the Canada / US tax treaty as an exemption for athletes to allow bonus payments from Canadian teams to be taxed at a ridiculously low rate (via tax credits) as long as they maintain US residency status (6-months + 1-day on US soil).

Canadian teams along w Bettman lobbied US & Cdn govts hard as a means to even the playing field for attracting players to Canada.

Auston Matthews was the first player to take full advantage of it w the 2nd contract which was almost entirely paid in bonuses with approx $800K as taxable salary

Taxes only apply if you spend the money bud. Most of the players salaries are invested. Who's actually spending $5M+ a year to live? E Kane? lol.

 

[salbutera]

Taxes only apply if you spend the money bud. Most of the players salaries are invested. Who's actually spending $5M+ a year to live? E Kane? lol.

FYI

Auston Matthews Shoots and Scores Tax Savings | Crowe Soberman LLP

On February 5, Auston Matthews signed a 5-year contract extension with the Leafs for $58.15M. Fans have reason to be thrilled today, but Canadian taxpayers may be a bit irritated.

www.crowe.com

 

[Miller Time]

No player has ever left million$ on the table…ever.

Couple of hundred K sure.

FYI.

https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-worth/sports/athletes-who-turned-down-big-paydays-and-lost/

 

[salbutera]

FYI.

https://www.gobankingrates.com/net-worth/sports/athletes-who-turned-down-big-paydays-and-lost/

Thank you for posting, almost every one of them declined the offers betting on themselves w a short-term deal in order to hit the jackpot with strong performance over the course of the short deal and almost all of them failed miserably.

As Latrell Sprewell famously stated offer “wasn’t enough to feed his family” after rejected the 3yrs / $21M…and blew it big time

 

[habdynasty]

Don’t fall in love with vets. Big mistake.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts- Kaliyev is getting dealt.


I wish they wouldn't eat when they record, or Elliotte is just super annoying with the amount of noise he makes with his mouth.

 

[Benstheman]

I'd do this in a second but unfortunately don't think Carolina bites. Slaf Dach Svech would be so fun

And Lindstrom...

 

[BLONG7]

Don’t fall in love with vets. Big mistake.

Like Bergevin did......................

Curious do you guys think it's a forgone conclusion we are trading the pick we have from Winnipeg?
This pick will probably be around 24-28..............

 

[Draft]

Don’t fall in love with vets. Big mistake.

Depends on the vet. Mine works long hours and comes home smelling like shit more often than not, but I wouldn’t trade her for the world.

 

[Miller Time]

Thank you for posting, almost every one of them declined the offers betting on themselves w a short-term deal in order to hit the jackpot with strong performance over the course of the short deal and almost all of them failed miserably.

The word "almost" is important.
"All" is a word that has a different meaning.

Almost everyone and all are not the same.

Sooooo.... I guess you are acknowledging that the initial comment you made was inaccurate?

Why you then doubled down on an even more false statement is odd... Especially when a 2-second google search quickly could highlight that.

Speaking in absolutes is often, as in this case, a great way to be completely wrong.

 

[salbutera]

The word "almost" is important.
"All" is a word that has a different meaning.

Almost everyone and all are not the same.

Sooooo.... I guess you are acknowledging that the initial comment you made was inaccurate?

Why you then doubled down on an even more false statement is odd... Especially when a 2-second google search quickly could highlight that.

Speaking in absolutes is often, as in this case, a great way to be completely wrong.

Nope - no top end end player leaves Million$ on the table, the ones that did were banking on making more & majority miscalculated & blew their opportunity.

Talking generational wealth here - and with each passing year the $ figures for top end players grows exponentially and they’ve become even more sensitive to hoarding as much as they can given the short lifespan of their careers which can end at any moment for no fault of their own.

As a former boss once advised me “I want to make so much money, not because I want or need it but so that my grandchildren’s grandchildren never have to worry about security one day of their life”.