Player Discussion Thatcher Demko

[DiggerDan]

Could be a ligament strain that could turn into a full tear if pushed, hence the caution in putting him back in.

This is my guess. Sprained MCL, which technically would not be related to the original injury and can be rehabbed in weeks. Also on tbe side of the knee which would align with the footage of him injuring it too. Have been through this myself. It's weak/awkward and obviously has risk of tearing if not rehab'd correctly, but you can walk etc still.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

A goalie can’t play through a torn ACL lol, I thought you were a physio?

A torn ACL would be absolutely devastating, and unlike a skater there’s decent chance he’d be out all of next season.

Just curious.

Did you read the Bäckström story I wrote here.

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Bäckström torjui Kärpille kultaa

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In 2004 he won gold for Oulun Kärpät with a torn ACL.

Or like you said "a torn ACL, lol."

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Oh well.

 

[StreetHawk]

Frank Seravelli now saying “sources” say Demko out til at least game 4.

Honestly, wording it that way means these are not Frank’s sources that he has a relationship with or that he’s betted it. Just relaying what he’s heard.

I know others will just take what these people post as gospel but always pay attention to the wording and whether they are putting their reputation on the line or covering their butt in case it’s not correct.

 

[tradervik]

Frank Seravelli now saying “sources” say Demko out til at least game 4.

If I remember correctly, that was the original rumour (that Demko would be out until late in the 2nd round if the Canucks made it that far).

 

[theguardianII]

Frank Seravelli now saying “sources” say Demko out til at least game 4.

Honestly, wording it that way means these are not Frank’s sources that he has a relationship with or that he’s betted it. Just relaying what he’s heard.

I know others will just take what these people post as gospel but always pay attention to the wording and whether they are putting their reputation on the line or covering their butt in case it’s not correct.

Smoke and mirrors. Distractions. Demko will likely need surgery but the "hope" he can make a return sells tickets, a few more anyway.
But I still can't see it being a knee if he is on the ice at all. Anyone who has ever had a knee injury knows rest is the only way to recovery. Torn ligaments don't heal by stretching them out, neither do pulled ones. There can't be too many things in the knee that go wrong, ligaments, meniscus, arthritis none of which heal by exercising. But a bad hip can be pain blocked and still functional for a short time. The knee could also be named as a source of pain as the pain can radiate all the way down the leg. Hip injures are called so many other things, sports hernias, back, knee or groins issues. Lower body.
Have you ever heard of a NHL hockey team stating outright the player has a ..... injury. Hand, elbow, shoulder, knee?

Demko would have the most unique knee injury seen, never limps, never uses a crutch or cane, skates in full equipment, what knee injury can that possibly be?

Some cortisone and Lidocaine shots in the right joint can delay what will be required and relieve all pain but not stability. A clean out of the hip joint can be recovered within days 10 to 15 days, then the shots and the need to stretch and work the muscles.

 

[StreetHawk]

Smoke and mirrors. Distractions. Demko will likely need surgery but the "hope" he can make a return sells tickets, a few more anyway.
But I still can't see it being a knee if he is on the ice at all. Anyone who has ever had a knee injury knows rest is the only way to recovery. Torn ligaments don't heal by stretching them out, neither do pulled ones. There can't be too many things in the knee that go wrong, ligaments, meniscus, arthritis none of which heal by exercising. But a bad hip can be pain blocked and still functional for a short time. The knee could also be named as a source of pain as the pain can radiate all the way down the leg. Hip injures are called so many other things, sports hernias, back, knee or groins issues. Lower body.
Have you ever heard of a NHL hockey team stating outright the player has a ..... injury. Hand, elbow, shoulder, knee?

Demko would have the most unique knee injury seen, never limps, never uses a crutch or cane, skates in full equipment, what knee injury can that possibly be?

Some cortisone and Lidocaine shots in the right joint can delay what will be required and relieve all pain but not stability. A clean out of the hip joint can be recovered within days 10 to 15 days, then the shots and the need to stretch and work the muscles.

Not sure what the point is for him to be in goalie gear on the ice if he needs surgery. I mean, you want to factor in recovery time post surgery, so we are over 2 weeks since he last played.

 

[F A N]

Not sure what the point is for him to be in goalie gear on the ice if he needs surgery. I mean, you want to factor in recovery time post surgery, so we are over 2 weeks since he last played.

I think what theguardian is saying is that it could be something Demko can play through like a hip injury rather than a knee injury.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think what mossey is saying is that it could be something Demko can play through like a hip injury rather than a knee injury.

If no surgery is needed great news. But, if he just needs to rest, there is no point to rush him back and risk something terrible happening. Just take it slow.

 

[F A N]

If no surgery is needed great news. But, if he just needs to rest, there is no point to rush him back and risk something terrible happening. Just take it slow.

Oops I meant to say theguardian not mossey.

I think theguardian is saying Demko does need surgery but it's something he can play through.

 

[mossey3535]

I thought I heard the radio guys say it was a MCL?

Hurt it doing almost the same thing but my foot got stuck on the net skirt on an overlap. Took about 3-5 weeks, I could walk but definitely not play.

 

[Wilch]

Any news of Demko's return? Looks like he's taking shots at practice: https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/closer-canucks-demko-taking-shots

But it looks like a potential late May / early June return?

 

[GreatSaveLuongo]

There's no need to rush Demko back, Silovs is our guy now in the playoffs, even if Demko is ready he would be the backup.

 

[JAK]

There's no need to rush Demko back, Silovs is our guy now in the playoffs, even if Demko is ready he would be the backup.

Who knows, last time Demko came in cold in the playoffs playing in Edmonton....

 

[ziploc]

I suspect we can get past the Oilers, incredibly, with Silovs. That of course is still very much up in the air, but early returns are pretty good. We actually have the advantage in net, weirdly, and I would argue that even if Silovs falters, DeSmith is better than anything the Oilers can reasonably throw between the pipes.

That said, I wouldn't love our chances if we made it to the next round if Demko isn't back. Looking like it will probably be Dallas, and they would have a substantial advantage in net over the Canucks if Demko is still out, plus the kind of depth the Oilers can only have feverish dreams about.

I don't like Georgiev for the Avs, and I don't think they are getting past the Stars, but they have a wicked offense that certainly rivals the top Edmonton guys. I think we'd match up better against them, but would still feel way better with Demko.

 

[Orca Smash]

I suspect we can get past the Oilers, incredibly, with Silovs. That of course is still very much up in the air, but early returns are pretty good. We actually have the advantage in net, weirdly, and I would argue that even if Silovs falters, DeSmith is better than anything the Oilers can reasonably throw between the pipes.

That said, I wouldn't love our chances if we made it to the next round if Demko isn't back. Looking like it will probably be Dallas, and they would have a substantial advantage in net over the Canucks if Demko is still out, plus the kind of depth the Oilers can only have feverish dreams about.

I don't like Georgiev for the Avs, and I don't think they are getting past the Stars, but they have a wicked offense that certainly rivals the top Edmonton guys. I think we'd match up better against them, but would still feel way better with Demko.

Hockey is a funny thing, I suspected we win in 2011. There is still alot of series to go. These things can change in a moment, maybe they play picard and hes lights out.

 

[ziploc]

Hockey is a funny thing, I suspected we win in 2011. There is still alot of series to go. These things can change in a moment, maybe they play picard and hes lights out.

Yup, that's why I said it is very much up in the air. But I don't have much confidence in Pickard being their saviour.

 

[arttk]

I suspect we can get past the Oilers, incredibly, with Silovs. That of course is still very much up in the air, but early returns are pretty good. We actually have the advantage in net, weirdly, and I would argue that even if Silovs falters, DeSmith is better than anything the Oilers can reasonably throw between the pipes.

That said, I wouldn't love our chances if we made it to the next round if Demko isn't back. Looking like it will probably be Dallas, and they would have a substantial advantage in net over the Canucks if Demko is still out, plus the kind of depth the Oilers can only have feverish dreams about.

I don't like Georgiev for the Avs, and I don't think they are getting past the Stars, but they have a wicked offense that certainly rivals the top Edmonton guys. I think we'd match up better against them, but would still feel way better with Demko.

Need the Avs to drag it to 7 games but it’s not looking good over there for them

 

[ziploc]

Need the Avs to drag it to 7 games but it’s not looking good over there for them

I hope they get at least one more win. But yeah, ideally game 7, which is not looking so likely.

 

[Orca Smash]

Yup, that's why I said it is very much up in the air. But I don't have much confidence in Pickard being their saviour.

Looks pretty good at the moment. I didnt expect silovs to be a saviour.

 

[VanJack]

They traded Bo Horvat at the top of the market, and reaped a nice return. Why not Demko?

Let some other team worry about his hips, knees or whatever else is ailing him. It'll hardly get better as he closes in on 30.

 

[StickShift]

They traded Bo Horvat at the top of the market, and reaped a nice return. Why not Demko?

Let some other team worry about his hips, knees or whatever else is ailing him. It'll hardly get better as he closes in on 30.

I get the sentiment—but if anything the lesson ought to be this is why you have two quality goaltenders to split games equally.

The era of playing one goalie in +75% of your games is quickly coming to an end. The risk of injuries (Demko) or fatigue (Hellebuyck) is very real.

Meanwhile Swayman has looked superb these playoffs and it’s likely because his workload has been managed throughout the season.

Demko/Silovs next year at a 60/40 split is the way to go IMO.

 

[rypper]

They traded Bo Horvat at the top of the market, and reaped a nice return. Why not Demko?

Let some other team worry about his hips, knees or whatever else is ailing him. It'll hardly get better as he closes in on 30.

Silovs is an unknown, no team really knows his tendencies weaknesses etc yet. It would be going full on Pejorative Slur to expect him to be an NHL starter next season. Let him back up Demko, gain some experience and down the line explore what's best moving forward.

Don't get fooled by small sample sizes.

 

[Zippgunn]

Silovs is an unknown, no team really knows his tendencies weaknesses etc yet. It would be going full on Pejorative Slur to expect him to be an NHL starter next season. Let him back up Demko, gain some experience and down the line explore what's best moving forward.

Don't get fooled by small sample sizes.

Speaking of small sample sizes remind me how many playoff games Demko has played again...

They traded Bo Horvat at the top of the market, and reaped a nice return. Why not Demko?

Let some other team worry about his hips, knees or whatever else is ailing him. It'll hardly get better as he closes in on 30.

He is most certainly past his best before date IMHO...

 

[rypper]

Speaking of small sample sizes remind me how many playoff games Demko has played again...


He is most certainly past his best before date IMHO...

Hey quick question, what do you need to get through before you play in the playoffs???

Something that Silovs has only played 16 games of...