Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Bileur]

Zegras and Gudas + pick(s) and or prospect for Jakob and Norris ? Would shake things up for sure.

Gibson and Gudas for Chychrun and Korpisalo

 

[Micklebot]

Gibson and Gudas for Chychrun and Korpisalo

So, we get a goalie almost as bad as Korpisalo but with a worse contract, and a good bottom 4 RHD?

I'd rather throw money at UFA RHD and target a goalie that's actually good...

 

[GCK]

I have a feeling our D is going to massively change. Maybe only Sanderson and Chabot as the only returning top 6.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I have a feeling our D is going to massively change. Maybe only Sanderson and Chabot as the only returning top 6.

What seems to be the issue Zub?

 

[Loach]

I have a feeling our D is going to massively change. Maybe only Sanderson and Chabot as the only returning top 6.

You mean Sanderson and Zub right?

 

[Senscore]

Well if Steve is going to make an impact trade on D like moving Chabot it's going to be soon.

If he's here past June he's here for a while yet I'd imagine.


Realistically Chychrun is the one going but I'm not sure it's the right call.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I have a feeling our D is going to massively change. Maybe only Sanderson and Chabot as the only returning top 6.

Zub is not going anywhere.

 

[GCK]

Zub is not going anywhere.

I hope not but I have a feeling.

 

[Senscore]

I hope not but I have a feeling.

The second we trade Zub is the second we desperately need to acquire a guy like Zub

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Trading Artem would be Zupid.

 

[PlayOn]

The second we trade Zub is the second we desperately need to acquire a guy like Zub

The only way I could see it make sense is if they acquire a RD for Chychrun and then sign someone like Tanev.

He’d technically be a great trade chip. The above seems unlikely to me though and I can’t see how you justify trading him in any other scenario.

 

[Duncstar]

Zub is not going anywhere.

There have been rumors already about the possibility we trade him, if we go after a bigger name it's a possibility

 

[Golden_Jet]

There have been rumors already about the possibility we trade him, if we go after a bigger name it's a possibility

Haven’t seen those yet , can you link some of them, thanks.

 

[Duncstar]

The second we trade Zub is the second we desperately need to acquire a guy like Zub

Haven’t seen those yet , can you link some of them, thanks.

"Artem Zub has been a steadying influence, but league executives believe teams will kick tires on him and, if Staios wants to make changes, then a trade will be an option."

Everything on Senators GM Steve Staios' to-do list as off-season shifts into high gear

Steve Staios cleared a big task off his off-season "To Do" list with the introduction of head coach Travis Green last week.

ottawacitizen.com

Last deadline there was a lot of interest too. If we go for a big FA agent signing (Pesce for ex.) then perhaps we can move Zub to get assets (FA will cost cap don't get me wrong, but Zub has what 2 years left and will be due a raise).

Might have a chance at Tanev now that Green is here. I hope he wins the cup with Dallas so he might be up for signing here.

We aren't trading Zub without 2 new RHD.

 

[Micklebot]

We aren't trading Zub without 2 new RHD.

Yeah, that's how I feel too.

Idk why we would bother going after two RHD and then trade Zub rather than just get one and keep him, but I suppose if they get two with Term it would mean cost certainty

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Yeah, that's how I feel too.

Idk why we would bother going after two RHD and then trade Zub rather than just get one and keep him, but I suppose if they get two with Term it would mean cost certainty

#assetmanagement

Zub for 1st+3rd

Sign Tanev for "free" to replace Zub.

Send 3rd to Edmonton for Codi Ceci.

Etc.

 

[Bileur]

So, we get a goalie almost as bad as Korpisalo but with a worse contract, and a good bottom 4 RHD?

I'd rather throw money at UFA RHD and target a goalie that's actually good...

I’m trying to find a realistic way to get rid of Korpisalo and his contract and add a pretty ideally fitting piece on D.

I think it would be tough to do that without attaching an asset to him.

Gibson has been in a tough spot on a horrible team. He has shown significantly more ability than Korpisalo in the past. I’d be gambling on him returning to that form. Could definitely blow up in my face.

Gudas would look great with Chabot IMO. He’d certainly add some of the snarl this team has been lacking.

I’m not confident in the sens ability to attract a good UFA D. I hope they can, but we have to be realistic. The type of guy they’re looking for is coveted by every team in the league.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I’m trying to find a realistic way to get rid of Korpisalo and his contract and add a pretty ideally fitting piece on D.

I think it would be tough to do that without attaching an asset to him.

Gibson has been in a tough spot on a horrible team. He has shown significantly more ability than Korpisalo in the past. I’d be gambling on him returning to that form. Could definitely blow up in my face.

Gudas would look great with Chabot IMO. He’d certainly add some of the snarl this team has been lacking.

I’m not confident in the sens ability to attract a good UFA D. I hope they can, but we have to be realistic. The type of guy they’re looking for is coveted by every team in the league.

He has too much term to attach an asset to. There is no reasonable asset that a team would ask for that we would give.

It would have to be a scenario like the Dubas/Murray one. A GM really likes the goalie and in turn we are able to dump the contract well below market value. Compare the cost of dumping Murray to BUF (7 for 15=1st round pick value?) to only having to give TOR a few mid round picks.

If we go after a really bad contract like Karlsson or Dubois then maybe we can dump him as part of that trade, but they isn't the same as just getting someone to take him because we don't get rid of the bad cap - we transfer it to the asset we acquire.

The lucky thing for Ottawa is that while his contract is bad, with the way the market is for goalies the bar is so low on what he would have to do to go from an awful value to a below average value. If he gives us 35 games at .900+, that is a good 1B in today's NHL. Is that a 4M with term goalie? Maybe not. But it's a 2.5M+ goalie in the current market.

 

[Big Muddy]

"Artem Zub has been a steadying influence, but league executives believe teams will kick tires on him and, if Staios wants to make changes, then a trade will be an option."

Everything on Senators GM Steve Staios' to-do list as off-season shifts into high gear

Steve Staios cleared a big task off his off-season "To Do" list with the introduction of head coach Travis Green last week.

ottawacitizen.com

Last deadline there was a lot of interest too. If we go for a big FA agent signing (Pesce for ex.) then perhaps we can move Zub to get assets (FA will cost cap don't get me wrong, but Zub has what 2 years left and will be due a raise).

Might have a chance at Tanev now that Green is here. I hope he wins the cup with Dallas so he might be up for signing here.

We aren't trading Zub without 2 new RHD.

Yep, agree with the bolded. Losing Zub to get someone like Tanev (or another good RD) would leave us with just one good RD once again. It's a lateral move. We need two good RD and two good pairs. I’m not seeing the logic behind moving Zub unless they think they can land two good RD in the off season which I would be skeptical about. Hopefully it's just Garrioch talking out his arse.

 

[Loach]

#assetmanagement

Zub for 1st+3rd

Sign Tanev for "free" to replace Zub.

Send 3rd to Edmonton for Codi Ceci.

Etc.

Codi Ceci can never come back. Not even for Chrsitmas.

 

[bert]

Joseph is a lot like Hagelin all speed & nothing else, they need to increase their scoring in the bottom six & at the same time cut down on the goals against. They need to improve the bottom six & there are better options out there at a cheaper cost that are tougher. I would argue that I expect that Ostapchuk will someday be better than Joseph & is the kind of player they need in their lineup in the bottom six. He will bring speed, shot blocking, hitting, fighting, toughness, some goal scoring & has the ability to disrupt the other team while being a pain in the ass to play against & feared. It's almost the same arguement as with Brannstrom, he is a better D right now, but he is not what the Sens need, Kleven is what the Sens need on D given he has a lot of the same atributes as Ostapchuk, but will need a little time to develop further at the NHL level.

Joseph was very effective last year I'd love if they can add another. He scored 35 points in 72 games and was one of the only good penalty killers. Was worth every penny I don't agree with this take at all. Ostapchuk doesn't have close to the speed to create the offense Joseph did. He will be a useful bottom 6 player but will never create offense from defense out of nothing like Joseph.

 

[bert]

I have a feeling our D is going to massively change. Maybe only Sanderson and Chabot as the only returning top 6.

The idea of moving away from Zub is beyond laughable. They need 2 more of him. Just because other teams want him doesn't mean they are trading him because fat Bruce speculated about it. Actual top 4 RD are the hardest asset to aquire. Ofcourse other teams want him. Sens have to find a way to find atleast 1 more RD probably 2.

 

[bert]

#assetmanagement

Zub for 1st+3rd

Sign Tanev for "free" to replace Zub.

Send 3rd to Edmonton for Codi Ceci.

Etc.

The idea of getting Ceci to replace zub stimulated my gag reflex. Ceci is bad, part of the reason Edmonton isn't a real contender.

 

[GCK]

The idea of moving away from Zub is beyond laughable. They need 2 more of him. Just because other teams want him doesn't mean they are trading him because fat Bruce speculated about it. Actual top 4 RD are the hardest asset to aquire. Ofcourse other teams want him. Sens have to find a way to find atleast 1 more RD probably 2.

I’m not disagreeing with you, it’s just a feeling. I think Staios is dead set on Tanev, and I think he may go after Roy, Pesce.

 

[Blotto71]

#assetmanagement

Zub for 1st+3rd

Sign Tanev for "free" to replace Zub.

Send 3rd to Edmonton for Codi Ceci.

EtEtc.

Tanev...34 yrs old, has played 82 games once, rarely plays over 60. I get it, he's a warrior. But his next contract will age horribly and quickly (and he won't be taking a 2 yr deal).

Staios needs to target younger RD and attempt to aquire them in a trade. Chychrun for Andersson (before July 1st when his M-NTC kicks in), pick(s) to Tampa for Darren Raddysh (the Lightning don't pick until the 5th round this year).

Sanderson - Andersson
Chabot - Zub
Kleven - Raddysh
Hamonic/JBD

It's not sexy, but it's better and more balanced and gives the team 3 pairings that can make an outlet pass and take some heat off Korpi (unless he gets dealt to LAK for PLD...ugh ).