Joey Bones
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This is a perfect post about the matter. No right or wrong, just sucks. Time will heal, unless someone has a full on grudge and it sure as hell won't be management.....
Zuccarello sounds off on the Rangers handling of Lundqvist and Himself
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This is a perfect post about the matter. No right or wrong, just sucks. Time will heal, unless someone has a full on grudge and it sure as hell won't be management.....
I didn’t really have any problems with what Zucc said. He’s just a dude expressing his feelings. Maybe he didn’t have to muddy it by lumping he and Hank in the same category - Zucc was loved but Hank is Hank - but he basically said if we’d won in 2014 Hank would be the biggest Rangers legend of all time, no questions asked. Now he’s the third string who may be bought out or basically “forced” to waive his NTC if he wants a chance to continue playing. I don’t think he has an issue with Shesty being the obvious heir apparent and getting starts, but there were plenty of games this year where I wondered why Georgiev was getting the start and why it had been so long since we’d seen Henrik. The future comes along and sometimes the timing isn’t perfect, like now with Hank having one year left, but the organization hasn’t really handled the Lundqvist ordeal that well either. I think Zucc came off a touch whiny but mostly just authentic. He didn’t say anything that wasn’t true, he just didn’t say anything that made me feel any more sympathetic towards him either. Doesn’t mean he was wrong to say it. Hank, being Hank, I feel like I’m more in agreement with Zucc on.
Larrybiv
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Both sides have every right to do what they did, and say what they want to say......about how they feel.
If that sticks a needle in someone's craw......too bad.
The bigger issue here......are people telling Zuccha to shut the hell up. The major players here have that right to speak, others should stfu themselves.
In other words, dont be a freakin' hypocrite.
Edit; I will stfu now myself......so, dont bother.
If that sticks a needle in someone's craw......too bad.
The bigger issue here......are people telling Zuccha to shut the hell up. The major players here have that right to speak, others should stfu themselves.
In other words, dont be a freakin' hypocrite.
Edit; I will stfu now myself......so, dont bother.
Larrybiv
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No bud, there are always 3. The 2 sides involved and the truth OR "grey area" if you prefer that term.
NYRFANMANI
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This is a cultural clash, some Swedish notion of honourability and faithfulness, utterly destroyed by business.
Let me shit-talk: Is there a culture change, away from Swedish players? Maybe Quinny don't like them, maybe biased?
Let me shit-talk: Is there a culture change, away from Swedish players? Maybe Quinny don't like them, maybe biased?
Amazing Kreiderman
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Trading Zuccarello falls in line with the new direction taken when "the letter" was sent. Trading McDonagh, Miller, Hayes, Zuccarello, Grabner (and to a degree Nash and Holden) was nothing more than a logical step by a team in a rebuild. Players accuse teams of not showing loyalty, but at the same time they can't wait for July 1st to fly around for weeks negotiating with different teams, getting the best deal available. Of course this is a generalization, but that's what it comes down to. Hockey is a business. Players get no move clauses and free agency, teams get trades and buy outs.
Give me a break. Rangers picked you up Zucc when you were a nobody. As far as Lundqvist, did you feel sorry for the guys Hank replaced when he took their jobs? Welcome to professional sports you clown. It's about trying to win. The Rangers have been overly fair to Hank. He should have lost his starting job last year and they still bent over for him. The simple fact is that at this point Hank is nowhere close to Shesterkin and Georgiev is better as well. Rangers fans will always love Hank but he's not good enough any longer. It's a shame that Zucc has become such trash that he thinks it's fair to all Hank's teammates that he should play when he gives them the worst chance to win out of the three goalies.
That group of rangers was very close and successful and for awhile probably felt on top of the world and like they were the kings of the franchise. But it never lasts and most got traded but it’s hard to go from face of the team to traded and the team not showing much interest in resigning you. Zucc seemed to love NY and the team but felt the rangers owed him another contract which is never true in sports. Sucks but that’s part of the business
as for hank, he’s been the guy for so long that it’s hard to not be that anymore and hard to not have the team lean on you in the way it used to. When the rangers tried to make a playoff push it wasn’t Lundqvist they went to it was the other goalies and they frankly are better than him now. I don’t think lundqvist wants to believe that but they are and when it came down to winning games he was not their top option any more and that is a tough thing to realize.
as for hank, he’s been the guy for so long that it’s hard to not be that anymore and hard to not have the team lean on you in the way it used to. When the rangers tried to make a playoff push it wasn’t Lundqvist they went to it was the other goalies and they frankly are better than him now. I don’t think lundqvist wants to believe that but they are and when it came down to winning games he was not their top option any more and that is a tough thing to realize.
If Hank played as many games as Georgiev, I’m not convinced his stats wouldn’t have been right on par, honestly. We all know Hank needs consistent work and is used to playing a lot of games. I think if he chooses to stay in the NHL and sign a 1-2 year deal elsewhere he’ll still put up decent numbers, obviously not like his prime, but Hank not being god anymore and Hank not being an NHL goalie anymore are not the same thing. If Hank’s contract was up after this year and we could re-sign Hank for 1-2 years at 2M and trade Georgiev for an asset, does anyone really feel like Hank couldn’t be a backup/1B for Shesterkin?
All things considered, I prefer Zucc's legacy to be slightly blemished by him complaining about how he was traded instead of watching him limp out on a retirement contract. I can appreciate why he's hurt by the whole ordeal, but as much as I liked the guy as a Ranger, he wasn't a Hank or Leetch. I think he was flying a little too high on the love of fans.
East Coast Bias
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Although I don't love the method in which this stuff comes out, it's notable that nearly every single notable player from the past 10 years to leave on terms not their own (not re-signed, traded, etc) seems to openly speak about how they loved it here and didn't want to leave.
romba
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His old GF (NYR) opened up a whole new world to him and unabashedly did wonderful and creative things his new ones won't do, and he's still upset at being dumped for the newer model. Totally understandable from his perspective lol
CHGoalie27
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I don’t mind him being upset and voicing his opinion but man oh man there’s a lot of entitlement from some of these guys considering they DIDNT WIN A CUP. They don’t deserve ride off into the sunset deals. The organization correctly realized they didn’t win they weren’t going to win and had to move these guys and that includes very soon Hank. Sorry but you didn’t win. Some of these guys act like they played on the Blackhawks or Kings
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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“Did anyone ever think that this was going to happen to Henrik Lundqvist? No one!”
Any time a player signs a long-term, big money deal, there's (a good) chance that it becomes a burden. And that is as much Hank's fault as it in the Rangers'.
“I never thought it would happen to me either. In my eyes, I was going to end my career with the Rangers,”
OK, Zucc could have made that happen.
"Everything was going to be fine and great, but then management decides, and then you’re not worth shit."
I'm not even sure what this means. Things were not going to be fine and great. Judging by Wild fabs, there's already some buyers remorse.
Hockey players understand that there is a business side to the game
I don't think Zucc does.
In 2015-16, Mats took less money ($4.5 AAV) and term (4 years) as a UFA to stay with the Rangers."
Did he really?
“If we had managed to win the Stanley Cup in 2014, when we were in the final, Lundqvist would have been the greatest legend in Rangers history. I mean that.”
No.
Overall, Zucc comes off as amazingly out of touch with reality. He's not the first athlete for whom what he wanted didn't jibe with what was best of the team.
Any time a player signs a long-term, big money deal, there's (a good) chance that it becomes a burden. And that is as much Hank's fault as it in the Rangers'.
“I never thought it would happen to me either. In my eyes, I was going to end my career with the Rangers,”
OK, Zucc could have made that happen.
"Everything was going to be fine and great, but then management decides, and then you’re not worth shit."
I'm not even sure what this means. Things were not going to be fine and great. Judging by Wild fabs, there's already some buyers remorse.
Hockey players understand that there is a business side to the game
I don't think Zucc does.
In 2015-16, Mats took less money ($4.5 AAV) and term (4 years) as a UFA to stay with the Rangers."
Did he really?
“If we had managed to win the Stanley Cup in 2014, when we were in the final, Lundqvist would have been the greatest legend in Rangers history. I mean that.”
No.
Overall, Zucc comes off as amazingly out of touch with reality. He's not the first athlete for whom what he wanted didn't jibe with what was best of the team.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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SingnBluesOnBroadway
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He has the right to feel however he wants. He just doesn't have a leg to stand on....
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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It's interesting his legacy might be a little tarnished by this. But I think it was overrated to begin with.
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effen
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Zucc is acting like a fan because he is one. I don't see why he has to be balanced or reasonable when other fans don't just because he's a player.
That said, he chose long term gain over short term pain. Good stance, but like most he underestimated the pain part. Feels bad man.
That said, he chose long term gain over short term pain. Good stance, but like most he underestimated the pain part. Feels bad man.
I suspect what he's really upset about is not that the Rangers wouldn't give him a big 'ol contract like he got with the Wild, but that the Rangers weren't interested in negotiating a contract with him at all. I get the feeling the Rangers made up their mind they wanted to trade him and weren't interested in keeping him even at a reasonable contract, and that's the part that stings to him because it's very much a "we don't want you anymore" rather than a "we'd like to keep you but can't afford that price"
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SingnBluesOnBroadway
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He should be balanced and reasonable because, as a player, he had a level of control in the matter. I can be made because the Rangers traded Brian Leetch, but I had no say in it.
Both Zucca and Hank had/ have a say and played/play a part in their current situations.
He didn't want to choose between the two. And that wasn't an option.
JT Kreider
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Zucc had one full NHL season to his name when he signed that contract extension. It was more than fair and if anything was a player friendly deal due to the term that allowed him to hit UFA again young enough where he could still cash in on one more big contract. If we added one more year to that extension with a pay bump of half a million.. he sure as hell wouldnt have gotten that same money this upcoming offseason and would have cost himself millions of dollars.
And what about Lundqvist completely blowing the Ottawa series? We could have had a decent chance against Pittsburgh and then Nashville. Very convenient to ignore that, but if we won the 2017 Stanley Cup he would have been the best Ranger in history. Right Zucc??
You, Hank, Hayes, Mac, Miller, Stepan, Brassard, Hagelin, Callahan, Richards.
You'd all be one big happy family as career Rangers with a roster $30 million over the salary cap and never sniffing a playoff spot ever again.
Chaels Arms
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He sounds like a child.
Sidney Crosby talked about this in his interview on Chiclets. When he came into the league he thought he was going to be surrounded by the same group of guys forever. To paraphrase Sid - "You don't realize it's a business until the first time someone gets traded."
The thing is though, after that, Sid realized it was a business.
Zuccarello isn't a rookie. He's an NHL veteran. He's been in the NHL for over a decade. He's seen other players get traded. He saw the team's captain and supposed future foundationon defense get traded the year before but he believed he was somehow immune to that? All those Zucc chants really went to his head.
Sidney Crosby talked about this in his interview on Chiclets. When he came into the league he thought he was going to be surrounded by the same group of guys forever. To paraphrase Sid - "You don't realize it's a business until the first time someone gets traded."
The thing is though, after that, Sid realized it was a business.
Zuccarello isn't a rookie. He's an NHL veteran. He's been in the NHL for over a decade. He's seen other players get traded. He saw the team's captain and supposed future foundationon defense get traded the year before but he believed he was somehow immune to that? All those Zucc chants really went to his head.
