Perennial
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Proposal: Zach Be Nimble, Zach Be Quick: L.A. + CBJ
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WAAAAAAA!!!
he has one amazing goal against the Detroit Red Wings and now he's worth a "King's" ransom?
Korpisalo is UFA next year. Is this supposed to be a cap dump on Quick? I don't think that is worth much to the Kings.
Werenski has a NMC through 2027
Laine's QO is a lot to commit. I think Columbus would have to extend Laine and then retain 50% on the extension to like make him worth acquiring.
and I won't even go into what the Kings are giving up. This is a "lock it up" type of offer. woof
Korpisalo is UFA next year. Is this supposed to be a cap dump on Quick? I don't think that is worth much to the Kings.
Werenski has a NMC through 2027
Laine's QO is a lot to commit. I think Columbus would have to extend Laine and then retain 50% on the extension to like make him worth acquiring.
and I won't even go into what the Kings are giving up. This is a "lock it up" type of offer. woof
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Don't see CBJ retaining any salary on Laine's contract at this point....
if 20-30 games in he's not producing then that could change
Werenski is the face of the organization
0% chance
zip up this thread
if 20-30 games in he's not producing then that could change
Werenski is the face of the organization
0% chance
zip up this thread
- Purely because it is funny, I'll point out that that "backup goalie on an expiring contract with no all-star potential" was just a literal All-Star in 2020. Agreed he doesn't really have much value here, sort of like Kupari and Maatta.
- Laine and Werenski are tearing up the pre-season while Byfield just shattered his ankle. Maybe ask when he is healthy?
- The value may or may not be in line but I don't see the Jackets selling off like this. Especially not with Werenski, who I'd argue is the most valuable piece in the deal.
- Yes Columbus just started a rebuild while the Kings are trying to exit theirs, but not all rebuilds are the same. The Jackets didn't age out and have to start over, they were already a young developing team when they unfortunately were forced to sell off a couple big name pieces. They actually share a similar position to the Kings in that they have a lot of overall value coming up but the lineup is imbalanced in various ways. I would guess, if anything, that the Jackets will be looking to accelerate their exit from the rebuild, I don't see them wanting to go any deeper.
I don't see why LA would do this, as it doesn't herald the end of their rebuild but does give away one of the major pieces of being long term good again. I know they've got a bunch of promising young Cs, but you still don't give away the probable best one.
And I don't think that's a suitably enticing price for Werenski and Laine - its probably fair compared to other deals, but you don't trade win-now players like them for futures unless you can't help it, have zero hope, or are getting stupidly overpaid - so I don't see why CBJ do this either. It makes their own rebuild look a lot longer. It also feels like an act of incredible self-harm for a franchise that's struggled to get its stars to commit to being there to go ahead and trade the first star in a while that's actually committed to staying before he's even played a game of his new contract.
Feels like a lose-lose proposal.
And I don't think that's a suitably enticing price for Werenski and Laine - its probably fair compared to other deals, but you don't trade win-now players like them for futures unless you can't help it, have zero hope, or are getting stupidly overpaid - so I don't see why CBJ do this either. It makes their own rebuild look a lot longer. It also feels like an act of incredible self-harm for a franchise that's struggled to get its stars to commit to being there to go ahead and trade the first star in a while that's actually committed to staying before he's even played a game of his new contract.
Feels like a lose-lose proposal.
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Also, Laine looks fantastic right now. It’s preseason, I know, but the man came to play. They’re going to see what he’ll give this year playing with Jake before deciding what he’s worth to the team.
Necrobutcher
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Forget about Werenski. He's staying in Columbus for sure. Laine on the other hand could be available. Him and Korpisalo for Quick, 1st and a top prospect other than Byfield?
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Jarmo just gave Werenski a long term deal, There's no freaking way he's trading him. His NMC kicks in next summer and LA would be the last team he'd waive for.
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I'm more curious what this trade will look like after 6 pages of "Werenski is overpaid and over rated" with the inevitable Jets fan's comments "Laine is a bum and won't be in the NHL next year"...
Probably be down to a 1st and some B prospects for Werenski + Laine and Elvis.
Probably be down to a 1st and some B prospects for Werenski + Laine and Elvis.
Viqsi
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That would be a short discussion, because the answer is "no" no matter what you offer. Literally, no matter what you offer. Byfield + Turcotte + next 3 1sts? No thanks, we'll keep Werenski.
You need to have some already-capable players to keep the team going when building, and Werenski 1) wants to be here, 2) just extended here, 3) is REALLY good, and 4) is still young enough that he fits the build timeline quite well. Considering recent events here, that combination of attributes is one that's worth its weight in diamonds right now in Columbus. I don't think there's realistically anything anyone can offer.
(EDIT: And given the above, by the way, one can make a fair guess as to how acceptable the OP is to the Jackets...)
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I think the poster thought of the thread title, thought it was very clever and then just pieced something together from there so they could use it.
Nonsensical trade for several noted reasons, namely Werenski just signing a long-term deal in Columbus.
Nonsensical trade for several noted reasons, namely Werenski just signing a long-term deal in Columbus.
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I do not think the Jackets could afford to trade Werenski shortly after he commits to them long term and right before his NMC kicks in. It would send a really bad message.
Plus, he is absolutely key to the defense and much of the transition game.
Also, LA should just stick to the rebuild and keep their young players.
Plus, he is absolutely key to the defense and much of the transition game.
Also, LA should just stick to the rebuild and keep their young players.
Perennial
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I feel like those citing Werenski's recent extension for why this trade won't happen are leaving a lot of meat on them bones when it comes to the what's left to be discussed...
For starters, I didn't make the proposal thinking it would happen or that it should happen, only that it's an idea with some merit for both teams involved
So, okay... Columbus won't trade Werenski immediately after signing him to extension even if it meant landing Byfield, but would you?
What if Edmonton offered McDavid for Werenski, does your "newly extended players will not be traded" policy still apply? If not, why have that policy in the first place?
Forgetting about the extension, what are your thoughts on the value for each team?
Which team does it favour?
What additions/subtractions would you recommend?
Which player player do you think is the most valuable asset?
What are your career projections for the players involved?
What are your thoughts on a team's lineup post-trade?
What are the short and long term cap implications?
So, there's plenty of discussion beyond "Werenski extension. Columbus no." left to be had for those who prefer delving a little deeper into a trade idea with franchise-altering implications...
For starters, I didn't make the proposal thinking it would happen or that it should happen, only that it's an idea with some merit for both teams involved
So, okay... Columbus won't trade Werenski immediately after signing him to extension even if it meant landing Byfield, but would you?
What if Edmonton offered McDavid for Werenski, does your "newly extended players will not be traded" policy still apply? If not, why have that policy in the first place?
Forgetting about the extension, what are your thoughts on the value for each team?
Which team does it favour?
What additions/subtractions would you recommend?
Which player player do you think is the most valuable asset?
What are your career projections for the players involved?
What are your thoughts on a team's lineup post-trade?
What are the short and long term cap implications?
So, there's plenty of discussion beyond "Werenski extension. Columbus no." left to be had for those who prefer delving a little deeper into a trade idea with franchise-altering implications...
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No there really isn't.
How is trading a top line sniper and a #1 D for an injured rookie, a 20th OVA selection and two other players (a backup for Elvis @ 5.8 w/ .898, and Maatta at 4m w/4points)
I'm not even touching this, I would just upset Oil fans.
Horrible, but feel free to ask around.
Kings by a lot, 215g 245a 460pts and CBJ gets 30g 100a 130pts. That's over 3x the amount of production.
I don't see any realistic trade where Werenski is going the other way and it not set the Kings rebuild back a couple years.
Werenski and Laine are worth the most with Zach being the most valuable.
Werenski as a top pairing D at worst case scenario, Byfield as a Top line center at best case scenario. One has proven he is, the other hasn't had a chance yet.
Great for the Kings, horrible for the Jackets. Maatta would be competing for 3rd pairing, Domi and Byfield are injuried so Kupari would be 2nd center behind Roslo and CBJ top pairing would be Boqvist and Kukan...great way to develop rookies.
Columbus has plenty of cap space, don't really know about the cap issues for the Kings; guessing not good.
There's my contribution to this thread.
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While I like the titles, you definitely consider them before the actual proposal, there's no chance Kings would do this. It'd be a fresh change if you considered the proposal you're making first, then title.
Kingspiracy
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It just doesnt seem realistic that we would trade a recently drafted Byfield or Cbj would trade a recently extended Werenski. It is also too busy, too many parts, which seems to be your MO in the trade section.
To offer something other than being a complete negative nancy, id counter with :
Kempe + Kupari + pick/ picks (1st -top10 protected- depending on if Laine re signs or something, with perhaps another pick added if he scores 30+goals)
(yes i know i suck at trade proposals, but who doesnt?)
edit. ha that was for laine instead of for futures btw
To offer something other than being a complete negative nancy, id counter with :
Kempe + Kupari + pick/ picks (1st -top10 protected- depending on if Laine re signs or something, with perhaps another pick added if he scores 30+goals)
(yes i know i suck at trade proposals, but who doesnt?)
edit. ha that was for laine instead of for futures btw
JoeSakic13
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There really isn’t. The biggest piece of your trade proposal is a non-factor because of the extension. So we’re left discussing how it’s not gonna happen because of that.
I'll keep reading your posts and being supportive if you will admit that you don't actually care about the trade proposals beyond the fun titles you come up with.
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For the OP title...
"I'd rather sit on a candlestick"
"I'd rather sit on a candlestick"
Crede777
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If we want another reason, we should write down LA's center depth without Byfield and... pretty soon... without Kopitar due to age.
Maybe we can revisit this if LA somehow lands Eichel or Shane Wright.
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4 years from now...
Turcotte
Vilardi
Danault
If you're uncomfortable with that, it makes you wonder whether they were good picks and a smart signing
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