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Hisch13r

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They do need to figure out a more effective bottom 6 configuration and we are going to have to find away to add a forward in too

Palat falling off a cliff really really hurts. If he's even just last years Palat then things look better. We'd just be down the 1 forward. Cotter-Tatar as 4th line wings and Palat-Mercer as 3rd line wings with just one more guy that can play in the top 6 would be a great spot to be in. Right now we're in a spot where ideal Palat, Cotter, and Tatar all would be best suited for the 4th line (Mercer too at times) with 2 holes in the top 9. We're only going to be able to fill one.



I’m a bit tired of this shitbag’s clickbait


He's a f***ing moron loser.
 
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Luke, Dougie and Kovacevic are the only D men who should see OT time and I’m not even crazy about the last two, but you gotta have three defenseman who ideally aren’t slow as crap or at least have offensive ability out there. And if you insist on Palat taking a shift for…reasons, he’s gotta play with Luke and a fast forward to cover for his lack of speed.

I can sort of maybe get having Pesce out there for either an opening face off or defensive zone face-off as a safe guard, but he should be immediately going for a change once we get possession.

You are asking to get burned in transition if he is in the O-zone
 

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Why though? Giving up a goal on a shot like Matthews took is way more acceptable than the goal he gave up. Why can't that be a thing? He saved the shot from Matthews, good. He still let up an absolute softie that should not be given up.
Because it’s still 1 goal either way.

If a goalie makes many big saves and never gives up bad goals then they’re a machine and probably the greatest goalie of all time.

Sometimes goalies give up crappy goals. It’s their overall performance that matters.

If I could have a goalie give up 1 goal but have it be a bad one then I would sign up for that every game and he’d walk away with a vezina.
 

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Why though? Giving up a goal on a shot like Matthews took is way more acceptable than the goal he gave up. Why can't that be a thing? He saved the shot from Matthews, good. He still let up an absolute softie that should not be given up.

It's like people forget goalies are allowed to make more difficult saves. That's kind of their job. Especially when you're not getting bombarded with them left and right.
 

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I can sort of maybe get having Pesce out there for either an opening face off or defensive zone face-off as a safe guard, but he should be immediately going for a change once we get possession.

You are asking to get burned in transition if he is in the O-zone
We’ve also seen it more than once from Keefe, little surprise we’re like 1-4 in OT or whatever it is
 
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Because it’s still 1 goal either way.

If a goalie makes many big saves and never gives up bad goals then they’re a machine and probably the greatest goalie of all time.

Sometimes goalies give up crappy goals. It’s their overall performance that matters.

If I could have a goalie give up 1 goal but have it be a bad one then I would sign up for that every game and he’d walk away with a vezina.
What you said is all true. Doesn't change the fact that giving up a bad goal on 14-15 low quality shots faced can't be criticized.

If the goal scored on him tonight was the Fleury dump in from centre ice or the Thompson own goal, would you be happy with it cause it's only one goal against?

I'm not sure generalizing it like that is the best way to look at it. Context matters, and tonight Markstrom let up a bad goal on what was otherwise a pretty easy night for him.
 
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What you said is all true. Doesn't change the fact that giving up a bad goal on 14-15 low quality shots faced can't be criticized.

If the goal scored on him tonight was the Fleury dump in from centre ice or the Thompson own goal, would you be happy with it cause it's only one goal against?

I'm not sure generalizing it like that is the best way to look at it. Context matters, and tonight Markstrom let up a bad goal on what was otherwise a pretty easy night for him.
Context wise is that Markstrom giving up 1 goal on the 15 shots he faced was a fine result through regulation.

You would expect a goalie facing those 15 shots to give up 1-2 goals so I’m not going to kill him for giving up 1, even if it wasn’t one of the better shots.
 

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This is just asinine with regard to tonight. You're ok with that goal because he made a save on Matthews later because of his "overall performance"?
I’m ok with his 1 goal on 15 shots and 1.7 expected goals.

You guys are harping on the type of goal instead of the overall performance. His overall performance was fine.
 

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We’ve also seen it more than once from Keefe, little surprise we’re like 1-4 in OT or whatever it is

I went on their boards when we hired him and they said he was pretty dumb in OT with personnel decisions, kinda tracks ngl lol

I don't really get why Jack and Bratt weren't taking regular shifts together in OT. I don't see the need or reason to spread the offense around like that.

Top 5 most dynamic forward pair in the league with tons of open ice. Just let them do what they do

Because you get caved sometimes and shifts become longer which maybe 1 of the 2 forwards gets off for a change. You rarely change 2 forwards together in OT and then they come back together the next shift.
 

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I went on their boards when we hired him and they said he was pretty dumb in OT with personnel decisions, kinda tracks ngl lol



Because you get caved sometimes and shifts become longer which maybe 1 of the 2 forwards gets off for a change. You rarely change 2 forwards together in OT and then they come back together the next shift.

Except they never started a shift together and we had possession the entire OT
 

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The issue with Haula and Cotter doing jack shit right now is that they both really really suck together. This is mostly on Keefe for keeping them together when it's been abundantly clear for like a month+ that they do not work.
What’s the alternative though? Moving one up a line? What makes you think that will be any better? Right now there is no obvious cure for what ails them unless they can sort out their spacing and passing and motion.
 

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What’s the alternative though? Moving one up a line? What makes you think that will be any better? Right now there is no obvious cure for what ails them unless they can sort out their spacing and passing and motion.

I think it's better because it'd be hard to be worse. It's not a huge sample of Cotter-Jack (62 minutes) but in that time they have a 72% xG. Cotter-Haula have 222 minutes together with a 48% xG, 44% CF and are outscored 12-8. 175 minutes for Cotter away from Haula he has a 62% xG and up 8-7 in goals. Haula without Cotter in 133 mins 56% xG and even 8-8 in goals. Ideally you'd be able to just slide down Cotter to the 4th line instead which is where I think he really belongs but we're limited on guys and I'd rather have him up with Jack-Bratt than Palat
 
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Pacioretty will get dumped in the 1/16 game if he's not already on long term IR, so idgaf lol. They probably took Knies's number too
I’m very happy with Keefe, but not sure that's the type of response you want from the coach post game when your start player gets hit like that.
 
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