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[sparxx87]

If Mayfield got lost and beat in his own end like Holl does regularly, Trotz wouldn’t play him 20 mins.

Mayfield is head and shoulders better, and he adds an element of physicality and ‘hard to play against’ down low. Holl is a sieve and softer than charmin.

That swap would be great for the Leafs if they could swing it.

 

[zeke]

If Mayfield got lost and beat in his own end like Holl does regularly, Trotz wouldn’t play him 20 mins.

Mayfield is head and shoulders better, and he adds an element of physicality and ‘hard to play against’ down low. Holl is a sieve and softer than charmin.

That swap would be great for the Leafs if they could swing it.

Holl plays more minutes for a better team.

 

[Morbo]

I see we're back to pretending that "hitting" and "toughness" is the problem with the team again.

 

[4thline]

The not going to get into Holl vs. Mayfield, but Mayfield's contract (especially with any retention) makes him pretty unique in that he might be the only non-elc 4/5 level RHD that represents better value than Justin Holl for next season, and that potential million dollars interests me.

 

[sparxx87]

Holl plays more minutes for a better team.

And if that’s the measure you’re using to rank them, you don’t need my help to discredit what you’re saying.

 

[sparxx87]

I see we're back to pretending that "hitting" and "toughness" is the problem with the team again.

They’ve got one of the sweetest bluelines in the league. They don’t have to hit or fight more, but they’re not hard enough below the dots.

See the contrast last year where Vegas ran over the small and soft Avs defense before having no such luck against the Habs with their big and physical top 4.

If they’re going to win 4 series’, they’ll need to beat at least one heavy forechecking and cycle team, and right now I don’t see how they can do that.

 

[Gallagbi]

They’ve got one of the sweetest bluelines in the league. They don’t have to hit or fight more, but they’re not hard enough below the dots.

See the contrast last year where Vegas ran over the small and soft Avs defense before having no such luck against the Habs with their big and physical top 4.

If they’re going to win 4 series’, they’ll need to beat at least one heavy forechecking and cycle team, and right now I don’t see how they can do that.

I really hope we aren't trying to recreate the Cinderella Habs teams, even if it's just the D.

 

[Morbo]

They’ve got one of the sweetest bluelines in the league. They don’t have to hit or fight more, but they’re not hard enough below the dots.

They're 6th in GA this year. 7th last year. pretty sweet, I'd agree.

for once, the Leafs problem is actually not defending. I'm as surprised as you are, believe me.

See the contrast last year where Vegas ran over the small and soft Avs defense before having no such luck against the Habs with their big and physical top 4.

If they’re going to win 4 series’, they’ll need to beat at least one heavy forechecking and cycle team, and right now I don’t see how they can do that.

a main issue they've had in the postseason is scoring goals, regardless of opponent. Anyone who watches especially the last two series losses can see that.

if there's any issue with the defence right now, it's that the collective offensive ability of Muzzin Holl and Brodie is not good enough for the top forwards we have. this is reflected in the lack of points from the blueline corps as a whole. essentially, a more skilled but still defensively reliable option in the 3 or 4 spot is needed. I don't know that they'll get it, as players fitting that description tend to be pricy. none of the names I've heard fit the bill.

now they may acquire a veteran depth player at the position for insurance, but don't expect that to be a needle-moving trade...think Bogosian replacement. but he is tough so I guess that will make you happy??

 

[zeke]

And if that’s the measure you’re using to rank them, you don’t need my help to discredit what you’re saying.

You literally just used Mayfield's minutes as an argument for him.

 

[TheScandal89]

Are people really insisting Holl is better then Mayfield? Mayfield would be a huge upgrade over Holl and had helped the Islanders to back to back conference finals playing around 20 minutes a game and sporting an impressive +24 in the last 2 post seasons. I think Ideally you try to trade for Mayfield and slide Holl down to 3rd pair

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Mayfield
Sandin - Holl

Dermott/Liljegren - depth.

Imo we definitely need to improve if were going to be taking on Tampa or Florida, or both, as they will likely be improving by deadline themselves. I don't even think the Islanders want to move him tbh.

 

[zeke]

Are people really insisting Holl is better then Mayfield?

What's weird is that people are insisting that Mayfield is better.

 

[Ashdown2]

Are people really insisting Holl is better then Mayfield? Mayfield would be a huge upgrade over Holl and had helped the Islanders to back to back conference finals playing around 20 minutes a game and sporting an impressive +24 in the last 2 post seasons. I think Ideally you try to trade for Mayfield and slide Holl down to 3rd pair

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Mayfield
Sandin - Holl

Dermott/Liljegren - depth.

Imo we definitely need to improve if were going to be taking on Tampa or Florida, or both, as they will likely be improving by deadline themselves. I don't even think the Islanders want to move him tbh.

are we still comparing october holl to january holl ?
are we still comparing april mayfield to october mayfield ........
people can use whatever reference they want to paint any picture. pick your poison lol


i would definitly say that the sandin holl pairing is pretty much nonreplaceable at this point. As you say im pretty sure the leafs only plan at this point is to get X. Even then i think muzzin is becoming a huge problem

rielly - brodie
muzzin - X
Sandin - Holl

 

[X66]

I said it before, but if you acquire Mayfield, you should keep Holl as well...

It's very doable.

 

[X66]

Also Mayfield is signed for next year as well, under 1.5 million.

That's a solid add.

 

[glue]

If they do go after a Mayfield, will they have room for a depth forward add as well, like Ho-Sang for example? Perhaps if they get rid of Ritchie? How much would it cost to get rid of Ritchie I wonder

 

[WTFMAN99]

If Mayfield got lost and beat in his own end like Holl does regularly, Trotz wouldn’t play him 20 mins.

Mayfield is head and shoulders better, and he adds an element of physicality and ‘hard to play against’ down low. Holl is a sieve and softer than charmin.

That swap would be great for the Leafs if they could swing it.

LD for the NYI is atrocious too.

Mayfield was doing really well with just Leddy at LD...we definitely have a better partner awaiting him here.

 

[thusk]

They're 6th in GA this year. 7th last year. pretty sweet, I'd agree.

for once, the Leafs problem is actually not defending. I'm as surprised as you are, believe me.



a main issue they've had in the postseason is scoring goals, regardless of opponent. Anyone who watches especially the last two series losses can see that.

if there's any issue with the defence right now, it's that the collective offensive ability of Muzzin Holl and Brodie is not good enough for the top forwards we have. this is reflected in the lack of points from the blueline corps as a whole. essentially, a more skilled but still defensively reliable option in the 3 or 4 spot is needed. I don't know that they'll get it, as players fitting that description tend to be pricy. none of the names I've heard fit the bill.

now they may acquire a veteran depth player at the position for insurance, but don't expect that to be a needle-moving trade...think Bogosian replacement. but he is tough so I guess that will make you happy??

If you watching just the stats maybe... but im not agree

Toronto played a possession game on playoff, keep the puck the more time you can. But against a team just protecting the front of the net like montreal or columbus, you can circle all game long it will be difficult to create something constantly.

To have succes in playoff its not having the more time possession you can, its getting the puck back more time you can. Whats the difference?

Get the more time possession : you can cycling for like 30 sec, 1 min 1:30 or 2 minute without take any shot. You just keep the puck on your stick. Dont create a lot of scoring chance at all if your opponent play well his game.

Get puck back more time.you can. You can take a shot, your teammate go in the corner and win battle for the puck
So you still with the puck and tske a second shot go in the corner win battler for the puck and get the puck back and take a 3rd shot but losing it that time.

Defensive side its the same thing. If youre not enought physical and loose most of 1v1 physical battle, that reduce the number of time you get the puck back so also reduce number of time a matthew get the puck in an open space in counter-attack and raise how many time your opponent have the puck. Thats how a lack of physicality and intensity in your d group can affect your offensive.

 

[TheScandal89]

What's weird is that people are insisting that Mayfield is better.

At this current moment, with playoff performance considered, then he is. He is better suited for a shutdown role as he has played an important role in 2 consecutive final 4 appearances. I'm not saying to get rid of Holl but we need a big physical shutdown RD and Mayfield has a better track record then Holl when games matter. You can pull all the regular season analytics you want, but I'm looking at the bigger picture. Whats wrong with Sandin-Holl as the 3rd pair, that means the team is deeper.

 

[zeke]

At this current moment, with playoff performance considered, then he is. He is better suited for a shutdown role as he has played an important role in 2 consecutive final 4 appearances. I'm not saying to get rid of Holl but we need a big physical shutdown RD and Mayfield has a better track record then Holl when games matter. You can pull all the regular season analytics you want, but I'm looking at the bigger picture. Whats wrong with Sandin-Holl as the 3rd pair, that means the team is deeper.

Actually he's played a lesser defensive role than Holl has.

The tough usage matchup and heavy dzone starts load pairing for the Isles was Pelech-Pulock, with Leddy-Mayfield taking the secondary matchups.

For the Leafs, Muzzin-Holl has been the tough usage matchup and dzone starts pairing.

 

[Peace Frog]

What deadline additions are you hoping for? Do you have specific players in mind or just a general position you’d like to be improved?

If Dubas could pull it off, I would love to see him load up our defence. Go hard for Chychrun and then try like heck to add Mayfield as well. That’s about $6.15M in salary, but I think the Leafs brain trust could make it work.
The cost would be very expensive, but our window for bringing home Lord Stanley, is rapidly closing. This is THE year to “burn the boats”, and go all in!

Brodie/Reilly
Chychrun/Mayfield
Muzzin/Sandin

Now THAT is a serious defence lineup!!

 

[ULF_55]

Another guy I've really enjoyed watching is Ilya Lyubushkin who might have hidden upside and is worth a low cost acquisition.

Yes, reasonable cost expenditure and possibly re-signable.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Luke Schenn - The Human Eraser



that is all.

 

[X66]

Another guy I've really enjoyed watching is Ilya Lyubushkin who might have hidden upside and is worth a low cost acquisition.

How is his skating and transition game?

 

[Nylander88]

Holl has had an off year no doubt ... But I don't think you move a 6'4" blueliner that plays hard minutes at 2mil per. Big PK Dman for us. So imo, we need to add another big body, stay-at-home Dman, and hang on to Holl as well. I think Sandin is for sure a keeper, so you look to move Dermott or Liljegren in a deal, and keep the other for depth.
Targets:
Mayfield, Schenn, Chiarot, Braun

I think all these guys could be had fairly cheap.
Kerfoot has been great for us, but I think even a simple Kerfoot for Chiarot trade (3.5mil changing hands) I think makes us a better team come playoff time. The forward spot can go to Joey Anderson, Nick Robertson, Kyle Clifford, or another chance for Nick Ritchie. Shuffle Mikheyev up to the top 6. Or you watch the Olympics and maybe Ho-Sang can come and take a spot. Worst case what you have in house would still leave you with:
Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Mikheyev-Tavares-Nylander
Engvall-Kampf-Kase
Ritchie/Clifford-Spezza-Simmonds

Or you lose a guy like Liljegren to rid yourself of the Ritchie contract and try and make a larger scale trade with Philly. Throw in Mikheyev since we won't be keeping him anyways and he will have clear value to Philly if they think they can keep him.
Liljegren, Mikheyev, Ritchie to Philly for Laughton & Braun

Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Laughton-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Kampf-Kase
Engvall-Spezza-Simmonds
Brodie-Rielly
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Braun

Also think this makes us a better "playoff team"

 

[LMFAO]

I will be call crazy but I think the Leafs should add Zdeno Chara.

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Chara - Liljegren