Value of: Yakov Trenin
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I would prefer if the Predators didn't trade Trenin at all, his blend of size/strength plus what I still think is some largely-untapped offensive ability is hard to come by.
Hynes has done some weird line-blendering in desperation this year, and a lot of our players aren't producing much in the midst of all the turmoil; I feel Trenin will normally have better numbers. He came on late last year and was probably our best skater in the playoffs (which doesn't necessarily say much since our team sucked - but he was a rare bright spot).
I hesitate to even ask for anything, since I don't want to trade him. But there might be some low-key disgruntlement between him and the Preds, dating back to a few different disagreements they've had over the years. So I could indeed imagine him being more available than I would like.
I think you have to start with a 1st round pick anyway, or equivalent level top prospect, even though I wouldn't personally take that.... IMO Trenin is more valuable than that. Poile may value Trenin less than I do, however.
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I both agree and disagree. I don't think Trenin, Jeannot, or even a guy like Nino are going to be the deciding factors for Nashville competing or not.
I think if they went all in on a restock now, that by the time they have some of their high-dollar guys leaving (RyJo, Duchene, McDonagh, etc), then you could have a nice crop of first-round players to take over.
I think Nashville could easily get 1st+prospect/pick for both Trenin and Jeannot. And again, I'm not convinced they help Nashville compete now and by the time they rebuild, they will likely be a tad too old.
Have to out bid the Oilers. Probably not too difficult considering our cap issues. Not every team cap waste 14.25M on Campbell and Nurse
Hagel's 37pts compared to Trenin's 7pts might be reason enough.
I don't follow Nashville a lot, but catch a game here and there. Playoffs teams would pay a kings ransom for a player like Jeannot. Might be a smart hockey move for Nashville to look to trade him. His next contract might prevent them from getting max value... and the 2023 draft looks very solid.
Truth. Trenin is beloved by his fanbase so they value him higher than what point production says he is worth. (and rightfully so)
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Exactly. I think you could easily get Hagel like returns on Jeannot and Trenin. If you could pull 2 1sts and 2 2nds or similar for the upcoming draft, in addition to your own, you could restock pretty good.
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I agree so I purposely didn't use the term rebuild around. They are however still in the wheelhouse as far as age and are those hardnose glue kind of guys who are an essential part of a winning team.
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Who are we talking about here? I'm looking at their roster, I don't see one untouchable player. You could argue Tanne Jeannot, despite his bad sophomore slump, even if he gets back on track, he's not a player you build around.
Nashville needs to go scorched earth and acquire as many good prospects and high draft picks they can, they're stuck in the mud and going nowhere with the team they have now, and likely they'll only get worse.
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These guys like Trenin and Jeannot, for all that they are 3rd liners, sure seem to attract interest and be surprisingly difficult to find. It may not count as "building around" to keep them, but I don't think they are easily replaced either, not from free agency or from the draft.
Anyway, there will be no plan whatsoever to "rebuild", and I do not believe that management would remotely see the team in that kind of position. They had Norris and Vezina finalists last season and two 40-goal scorers, and management is more looking for a step up to contention than any kind of rebuild. Tweaking the roster by adding McDonagh as the stabilizing veteran blueliner that was lacking, Niedereitter as the additional 2nd line gritty scorer that Kunin couldn't become, and Lankinen as a viable NHL backup when the injury to Saros seemed to torpedo the team last year, those moves were seen by Poile as his chef's kiss on putting together a competitive team.
Whether he's right or wrong, that's still going to be the mindset. And whether the team is shooting itself in the foot keeping Hynes to run it all into the ground is another issue. But regardless, I don't see any appetite materializing for any kind of "rebuild", certainly not "scorched earth", probably not even "slight retool"... that latter step was already completed as far as management is concerned.
Right now we are seeing Parssinen, Glass, and Novak step up at center, and we've got Tomasino and Evangelista coming for some additional skill infusion on the wings in the near term, and so I expect the extent of the rebuild will just be setting aside veterans who get conclusively outperformed by these internal promotions, rather than anything more proactive involving long-term stockpiling of draft picks and that kind of scorched earth stuff. The centers listed may make Johansen expendable, and the wingers could gradually nudge out Niedereitter or Granlund. But that's all likely to just happen organically rather than with any big fireworks or tank parades.
And the team should want to keep guys like Trenin and Jeannot all throughout that process.
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I didn't say untouchable nor did I say build around
If Nashville decides it's time to move on from the current make up of the team then it's generally the more hearled seasoned players who are traded off for pick and prospects.
haha, i am one of few who does not mind Nurse. He is overpaid sure, I think he is worth more what Trouba is making. So not that much overpaid.
LA has Peterson who's cap hit is on par with Campbell.
If my GM gave a first round pick for a guy who had 6 or 7 points after more than a third of the season i would want him fired immediately. I say that as I like both Trenin and Jeannot.
