World Cup: World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team USA Part III

[Baemon Severson*]

To the Kings fan who said that Quick was the best choice because he played the best in the exhibition games (small sample size be damned!). Does this mean that in hindsight, Schneider was the best choice, because, you know, he didn't give up a goal.

 

[rj]

To the Kings fan who said that Quick was the best choice because he played the best in the exhibition games (small sample size be damned!). Does this mean that in hindsight, Schneider was the best choice, because, you know, he didn't give up a goal.

1. I'm a Hurricanes fan.

2. This whole thing is two weeks long. No kidding it's a small sample size.

3. None of us see what happens in practice. That's where most coaches in all sports at all levels determine pecking order. Sorry if this fact annoys you.

4. Quick in the exhibitions played better than Bishop. And Quick had a great performance in an exhibition win vs. Canada, while Schneider was pretty bad in an exhibition loss vs. Canada.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

1. I'm a Hurricanes fan.

2. This whole thing is two weeks long. No kidding it's a small sample size.

3. None of us see what happens in practice. That's where most coaches in all sports determine pecking order. Sorry if this fact annoys you.

4. Quick in the exhibitions played better than Bishop. And Quick had a great performance in an exhibition win vs. Canada, while Schneider was pretty bad in an exhibition loss vs. Canada.

Again, that's all fine and dandy but Schneider has consistently outperformed Quick for half a decade. I'm not going to spell it out for a 21st time but it's pretty clear Quick is the #3 behind Bishop and Schneider

 

[hagelin1381]

Again, that's all fine and dandy but Schneider has consistently outperformed Quick for half a decade. I'm not going to spell it out for a 21st time but it's pretty clear Quick is the #3 behind Bishop and Schneider

agreed. aside from one season and 2 playoff runs Quick has been pretty average.

 

[AmericanDream]

Hull/Chelios just said 2 or 3 guys would not have made a difference.
Pretty much throwing it at the coaches feet, saying it was disorganized.

Interesting take

Hull/Chelios seem to have been taking heat for their comments on air within USA Hockey...same for Kessel, Roenick, Modano, etc.

Apparently you can't call out stink and let the public know the truth that this was unacceptable and plenty of wrong here.

I think they took that stance because they didn't want to keep digging on an issue that was talked about all second period long, that the GM picked the wrong players..I still agree with them on this as Torts was absolutely clueless and this team had no structure or identity. The right ;players would have helped a ton, but this team as it stood was good enough to make it to the medal round, that falls on coaching and those that didn't produce.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

The teams the US sends for the annual World Championship play harder and play better than this crew. What an absolute embarrassment. Lombardi, Torts and Burke as well Holmgren should never even be around USA Hockey ever again. What a disgrace. Everyone involved with USA Hockey's national program should be ashamed

This is an important point. Even with the questionable roster decisions this team should have fared better if the execution and work either would have been up to snuff. These guys treated it like summer shinny. Critics of the World Cup might say that's an apt comparison.....

 

[InGusWeTrust]

Disgusted with the performance. Hopefully the young Americans will help the next Olympic team. Good Lord.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Again, that's all fine and dandy but Schneider has consistently outperformed Quick for half a decade. I'm not going to spell it out for a 21st time but it's pretty clear Quick is the #3 behind Bishop and Schneider

You still can't let go of this topic can you? You sound like some of the Sabres fans who cried over Ryan Miller not being elected as the starter in 2014.

It's also funny to me how Schneider, this prodigy of a goalie as you make him out to be, only has 10 playoff appearances in his career, and his numbers the last time he saw playoff action were not very impressive.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

FWD's
#8 Pavelski - Stay
#9 Parise - Thanks for your service
#16 James van Riemsdyk - Fringe roster player
#17 Ryan Kesler - Thanks for your service
#19 Brandon Dubinsky - Thanks for your service
#21 Derek Stepan - Was absolutely terrible during this tournament, had NO endurance.
#23 Kyle Palmieri - Fringe roster player
#26 Blake Wheeler - Just didn't perform, love his game though
#42 David Backes - Thanks for your service
#67 Max Pacioretty - Did this dude even play this tournament?
#74 TJ Oshie - Thanks for those shootout goals, definition of an above average player
#88 Patrick Kane - Core guy, needs creative players
#89 Justin Abdelkader - Didn't deserve to be on the team to begin with, but since he reps USA hoceky and PERFORMS at these tournaments and at least makes an impact, I'll mark him down as a fringe player. Showed fight.

Defense
#2 Matt Niskanen - Never was USA Hockey quality
#3 Jack Johnson - Thanks for your patriotism, but never again
#4 John Carlson - Rewatch the last minute of the game yesterday, looks like he's not even trying/hustling
#6 Erik Johnson - Gone
#20 Ryan Suter - Still serviceable, but age...
#27 Ryan McDonagh - Was an absolute liability in the game vs Europe, better in the final two. We'll see him again
#33 Dustin Byfuglien - He gave a ***** yesterday, and I respect that. Was our best player. 5/6/7 D-Man in the future.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

You still can't let go of this topic can you? You sound like some of the Sabres fans who cried over Ryan Miller not being elected as the starter in 2014.

It's also funny to me how Schneider, this prodigy of a goalie as you make him out to be, only has 10 playoff appearances in his career, and his numbers the last time he saw playoff action were not very impressive.

I'm sure it's Schneider's fault he was stuck behind two all-time goalies in Luongo and Brodeur and now starts for a Devils team who couldn't score in a *****house.

It's funny, despite only having 10 playoff appearances and not being impressive his last time out, he STILL stops the puck at a higher rate than "Big Game" Johnny Quick in the 'yoffs!

You're not helping yourself here

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yeah, Schneider sure has been more impressive in the playoffs over Quick.

You sound like a broken record. Schneider looked to be the weakest of the three in the pre-tournament games and Quick performed the best. But that seems to be hard to stomach to over sensitive Devils fans.

I'm sure that save percentage of his will get you guys in a playoff spot someday. Quick doesn't get a lot of goal support in LA either. Have any other excuses?

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Yeah, Schneider sure has been more impressive in the playoffs over Quick.

You sound like a broken record. Schneider looked to be the weakest of the three in the pre-tournament games and Quick performed the best. But that seems to be hard to stomach to over sensitive Devils fans.

I'm sure that save percentage of his will get you guys in a playoff spot someday. Quick doesn't get a lot of goal support in LA either. Have any other excuses?

Haha you sure about that?

15-16 GF-
LA- 223 (14th)
NJ 182 (30th)

14-15-
LA- 218 (18th)
NJ- 176 (28th)

So, it seems over the last two seasons, the Kings score a half a goal more a game (which is a ton in the NHL). Tell me more about how Quick "doesn't get a lot of goal support either".

 

[waitin425]

Canadian fan sad to see the Americans bow out so fast. Very scared of your future roster....

Eichel
Matthews
Gaudreau
Hanifin
Jones

And on and on.....

You are in good hands going forward

 

[bert]

Again, that's all fine and dandy but Schneider has consistently outperformed Quick for half a decade. I'm not going to spell it out for a 21st time but it's pretty clear Quick is the #3 behind Bishop and Schneider

Quick has won huge games something Schneider has never done. Anyone blaming Quick for the US losing wasnt watching the games.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Quick has won huge games something Schneider has never done. Anyone blaming Quick for the US losing wasnt watching the games.

Just leave him be. The only reason he keeps going on about it is because his feelings are hurt that a player from his favorite team wasn't the preferred choice.

I'm also sure he's more of an expert and authority on these things over the likes of legends like Hull and Chelios who combined have appeared in over 2,000 games.

They didn't think goaltending was the issue in this tournament for the US team, but we have that one guy who is still crying over this. Just like those insufferable Sabres fans in 2014...

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Quick has won huge games something Schneider has never done. Anyone blaming Quick for the US losing wasnt watching the games.

What huge games has Cary Price won? Aside from having a front row view to Canada's domination in Sochi?

Why didn't Canada choose Ward or Fleury? They've won plenty of big games.

Again, I'm not blaming Quick because the U.S. was garbage, I'm blaming management/coaching for not fielding the best possible lineup. Quick is not the best goalie, or even close to it.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Just leave him be. The only reason he keeps going on about it is because his feelings are hurt that a player from his favorite team wasn't the preferred choice.

I'm also sure he's more of an expert and authority on these things over the likes of legends like Hull and Chelios who combined have appeared in over 2,000 games.

They didn't think goaltending was the issue in this tournament for the US team, but we have that one guy who is still crying over this. Just like those insufferable Sabres fans in 2014...

No, it's just that your logic doesn't make sense. Be honest, where does Quick rank in order of importance to the LA Kings? At best 3rd behind Doughty and Kopitar? Truthfully fourth or fifth behind those two and Muzzin and Carter?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Quick is more important to the team than Carter or Muzzin. Are you aware of how many games he appeared in last season and what percent of those games he won?

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Quick is more important to the team than Carter or Muzzin. Are you aware of how many games he appeared in last season and what percent of those games he won?

Dude, the Kings had over 56% of shot attempts last season. The second place team was 4% lower! I'd hope he won a lot of games. Using wins to show a goalie's worth isn't worth much. This is coming from a Devils/Brodeur fan.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Quick is more important to the team than Carter or Muzzin. Are you aware of how many games he appeared in last season and what percent of those games he won?

I really wouldn't waste your time on someone who seriously just stated that Quick is behind Muzzin in terms of importance to the Kings. Think about that for a second. The agenda is pretty obvious.

It's highly likely he doesn't even watch the Kings but saw that Muzzin made Team Canada and Carter was selected too.

 

[Little Psycho]

I really wouldn't waste your time on someone who seriously just stated that Quick is behind Muzzin in terms of importance to the Kings. Think about that for a second. The agenda is pretty obvious.

It's highly likely he doesn't even watch the Kings but saw that Muzzin made Team Canada and Carter was selected too.

He's still bitter about the 2012 finals

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

He's still bitter about the 2012 finals

That was back in the days when Schneider, as backup in Vancouver, apparently "consistently outperformed" the Conn Smyth winner.

 

[Xokkeu]

Hull/Chelios seem to have been taking heat for their comments on air within USA Hockey...same for Kessel, Roenick, Modano, etc.

Apparently you can't call out stink and let the public know the truth that this was unacceptable and plenty of wrong here.

I think they took that stance because they didn't want to keep digging on an issue that was talked about all second period long, that the GM picked the wrong players..I still agree with them on this as Torts was absolutely clueless and this team had no structure or identity. The right ;players would have helped a ton, but this team as it stood was good enough to make it to the medal round, that falls on coaching and those that didn't produce.

***** USA hockey. They need to man up to this disaster.

 

[Claypool]

Schneider defenders are becoming more annoying than Karlsson defenders.

 

[GirouxDaMan]

No, it's just that your logic doesn't make sense. Be honest, where does Quick rank in order of importance to the LA Kings? At best 3rd behind Doughty and Kopitar? Truthfully fourth or fifth behind those two and Muzzin and Carter?

You can't be serious. Muzzin is not more important than Quick on the Kings. Why wouldn't they pick him over Schneider? Give me the goalie whose proven that he can win the big games. Schneider is yet to show that. He's good but doesn't have the track record of Quick. No need to be so salty either, would you even care if Schneider played elsewhere. You're only butt hurt cause he's a Devil. Myself, I'm elated that Giroux is watching from the press box because that last thing we need is an injury before the season starts from playing in a meaningless game in a useless tournament.