World Cup: World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team USA Part III

[bruinsfan1970]

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[Irishguy42]

Sitting Palms and Buff was a sad mistake. Though it was nice that we out-shot EU by 18. So...I guess that's something.

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

Though it was nice that we out-shot EU by 18. So...I guess that's something.

Need to shoot the puck more.

 

[heretik27]

Can someone who knows whats up explain why Byfuglien wasn't in the lineup tonight? I thought Tortorella had a lot of very good things to say about him the other day, so was he just sick or something?

 

[Bixby Snyder]

Can someone who knows whats up explain why Byfuglien wasn't in the lineup tonight? I thought Tortorella had a lot of very good things to say about him the other day, so was he just sick or something?

Obviously Buff just isn't as good Jack Johnson.

 

[ps241]

Can someone who knows whats up explain why Byfuglien wasn't in the lineup tonight? I thought Tortorella had a lot of very good things to say about him the other day, so was he just sick or something?

Writing was on the wall early.....He paired Buff with JJ which is the last guy he should play with (very odd choice for both D men).....Then Torts doesn't like how Buff roams so he tries him at forward.......Buff is a number 1 D man but a 3rd line forward at best....Torts gets confused....benches Buff.

Should have started out pairing Buff with a conservative partner like Suter early and it would have been fine. Yes he makes mistakes but all the good ones that push the play do, he does allot more right than wrong and he is a difference maker.

and Torts is an idiot

 

[Booster*]

" 2,398 rinks. 519,417 registered players. 23 out of 30 National Hockey League teams are based in the United States".

Picked apart and snapped like a twig by Euro left-overs

Crushed by Slowitzernormark!!

 

[AmericanDream]

This is no 1996 World Cup team. I can't believe this management group even dares to try to pass that ******** on us.

That club was loaded with talent, and did not use a bunch of pluggers like this group. The 96 team did not leave behind the talents of Kessel, Okposo, Fowler, Faulk, Shattenkirk, Ryan, etc.. in favor of "grinders".

The 1996 club made a conscious effort to build a "stronger" team, but a stronger overall team that could play with anyone. Yes they had tough players, but the "grinders" we brought were guys like Billy Guerin, Keith Tkachuk, Adam Deadmarsh, and Joel Otto. Only Otto was not a gifted scorer. Tkachuk was coming off a 50 goal year, and Deadmarsh and Guerin were rising power forward stars. We simply brought the best players possible and some of them happened to have a lot of grit and size. This group just brought grinders for the sake of it seems. I have always been a big supporter of both Jack and Erik Johnson, but neither really needed to be here. Same for Niskanen who belongs nowhere near this team.

Abdelkader has done zilch for me. Same for Dubinsky. Byfuglien not dressing today was embarrassing to say the least.

Look at the defense from 1996. Phil Housley was our 7th defensemen, and even he admitted that! That group was loaded. They had Chelios, Suter, Leetch, D. Hatcher, Schneider, and K. Hatcher - simply put they did not leave anyone at home that belonged. This group was the best puck moving group that I have seen, and that is what is sorely missing here. Shattenkirk, Fowler, and Faulk over Niskanen and the Johnsons would have made a massive difference. This is no 96 team USA.

There is just too much similar players here, and what seems to be very little passion or cohesion. And that stems from the top down. This group doesn't look like they believe they can win, and on paper it shows that. This group of players knows they have been asked to do a lot with a lot of firepower left at home. Though lets not kid ourselves, this team still has a ton of NHL stars and talent- they simply shouldn't have lost like this. Kane, Pavelski, Parise, Patches, Wheeler, and JVR are more than enough skill to get the job done.

I still have hope for this team, as they can still make the next round, but a side of me wants them to lose so Torts and upper management can walk in shame for leaving home what they did. I cannot take another team built by Jim Johansson pro or amateur. I hate his choices for coaches and gm's 8 out of 10 times. He needs to go, I have been saying it for years.

It is a lot to ask for a team USA to play without having access to Gaudreau, Eichel, Saad, Galchenyuk, Trocheck, Larkin etc...but that is another point altogether.

Bottom line is I have loved the Canada Cup/World Cup since I was a kid. I want this to happen every 4 years as I love watching the best vs best. I bleed USA Hockey so I want them to win and bring success to this tournament for it to continue. But this could be a massive flop if this team doesn't make the semi finals, and if that happens we might not see another one again...

I hope I am so wrong on Tuesday and this team comes out flying. They are embarrassed and should feel ashamed. If they have any pride in country or what this tournament means then they will bring their best and defeat Canada like they did last week. I know they can do it inspite of our coaches and management. But if they don't, this might be the last World Cup we see for sometime as without a US audience, it will flop massively.

 

[Xokkeu]

This is no 1996 World Cup team. I can't believe this management group even dares to try to pass that ******** on us.

That club was loaded with talent, and did not use a bunch of pluggers like this group. The 96 team did not leave behind the talents of Kessel, Okposo, Fowler, Faulk, Shattenkirk, Ryan, etc.. in favor of "grinders".

The 1996 club made a conscious effort to build a "stronger" team, but a stronger overall team that could play with anyone. Yes they had tough players, but the "grinders" we brought were guys like Billy Guerin, Keith Tkachuk, Adam Deadmarsh, and Joel Otto. Only Otto was not a gifted scorer. Tkachuk was coming off a 50 goal year, and Deadmarsh and Guerin were rising power forward stars. We simply brought the best players possible and some of them happened to have a lot of grit and size. This group just brought grinders for the sake of it seems. I have always been a big supporter of both Jack and Erik Johnson, but neither really needed to be here. Same for Niskanen who belongs nowhere near this team.

Abdelkader has done zilch for me. Same for Dubinsky. Byfuglien not dressing today was embarrassing to say the least.

Look at the defense from 1996. Phil Housley was our 7th defensemen, and even he admitted that! That group was loaded. They had Chelios, Suter, Leetch, D. Hatcher, Schneider, and K. Hatcher - simply put they did not leave anyone at home that belonged. This group was the best puck moving group that I have seen, and that is what is sorely missing here. Shattenkirk, Fowler, and Faulk over Niskanen and the Johnsons would have made a massive difference. This is no 96 team USA.

There is just too much similar players here, and what seems to be very little passion or cohesion. And that stems from the top down. This group doesn't look like they believe they can win, and on paper it shows that. This group of players knows they have been asked to do a lot with a lot of firepower left at home. Though lets not kid ourselves, this team still has a ton of NHL stars and talent- they simply shouldn't have lost like this. Kane, Pavelski, Parise, Patches, Wheeler, and JVR are more than enough skill to get the job done.

I still have hope for this team, as they can still make the next round, but a side of me wants them to lose so Torts and upper management can walk in shame for leaving home what they did. I cannot take another team built by Jim Johansson pro or amateur. I hate his choices for coaches and gm's 8 out of 10 times. He needs to go, I have been saying it for years.

It is a lot to ask for a team USA to play without having access to Gaudreau, Eichel, Saad, Galchenyuk, Trocheck, Larkin etc...but that is another point altogether.

Bottom line is I have loved the Canada Cup/World Cup since I was a kid. I want this to happen every 4 years as I love watching the best vs best. I bleed USA Hockey so I want them to win and bring success to this tournament for it to continue. But this could be a massive flop if this team doesn't make the semi finals, and if that happens we might not see another one again...

I hope I am so wrong on Tuesday and this team comes out flying. They are embarrassed and should feel ashamed. If they have any pride in country or what this tournament means then they will bring their best and defeat Canada like they did last week. I know they can do it inspite of our coaches and management. But if they don't, this might be the last World Cup we see for sometime as without a US audience, it will flop massively.

I dunno, the last two World Cups hardly registered on the American radar. September is literally the worst month to have a hockey tournament in america. I still think a USA bomb out will really just kill the asinine North America concept. If we had a full roster I would say this tournament could be worse than 2006, but as it is, I kind of expected this.

 

[MadDevil]

Let's just sit Palmieri, who had as many goals as Pacioretty and was 3rd among American born players in PPG last season. Clearly none of that would have possibly been helpful.

Although as a Devils fan I'm not really that upset. I'd rather he not get hurt playing for ******* Tortorella.

 

[AmericanDream]

I dunno, the last two World Cups hardly registered on the American radar. September is literally the worst month to have a hockey tournament in america. I still think a USA bomb out will really just kill the asinine North America concept. If we had a full roster I would say this tournament could be worse than 2006, but as it is, I kind of expected this.

definitely agree with this, but with the whole ESPN "comeback" thing going on, and some actual marketing involved here, not having the USA make the medal rounds would utterly cripple this thing. Yes this is much bigger in Canada, but if you take away the US audience (which is exactly what this tournament is trying to build) this thing is over before it begins.

And I agree the gimmicks need to go away, and likely will if they do another, which my point stands I want to see the classic tournament and hopefully we get that chance again, but the hilarious thing to see would be team Europe vs the u23 team for the gold!! what a disaster that would be.

 

[William H Bonney]

Team scores no goals = Torts puts Abdelkader on Kane's line.

I really hope this is the end of Torts, Burke, and Lombardi with USAH. It may turn out to be the only positive.

 

[jj cale]

Team scores no goals = Torts puts Abdelkader on Kane's line.

I really hope this is the end of Torts, Burke, and Lombardi with USAH. It may turn out to be the only positive.

Its good to see your head coach making all the right calls.

 

[vippe]

Sitting Palms and Buff was a sad mistake. Though it was nice that we out-shot EU by 18. So...I guess that's something.

USA outshooting EU doesnt really reflect the game much I would say, EU looked a lot better in pretty much every facet.

Can someone who knows whats up explain why Byfuglien wasn't in the lineup tonight? I thought Tortorella had a lot of very good things to say about him the other day, so was he just sick or something?

I dont think Byfuglien would have made a difference, but yeah he should have played.

 

[James Underbuss*]

Love love love seeing guys like Kane, Kesler and Tortorella getting worked over. Team USA sucks. Tortorella sucks the most. Hopefully his last coaching job, the guy is clown shoes.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Team scores no goals = Torts puts Abdelkader on Kane's line.

I really hope this is the end of Torts, Burke, and Lombardi with USAH. It may turn out to be the only positive.

Even the U20 decesion making, leaving offense off the roster, has been terrible.

Who's next ? Put Shero back in charge ?

 

[Koonta]

So the biggest problem this USA team seems to have is trying to balance between skill and grit...so Tort's brilliant idea is to bench the 6 foot 5 giant defenseman who brings equal measures of both. What an idiot. The USA is done and the players look like they already tuned out Torts.

 

[Zero Pucks Given]

Team scores no goals = Torts puts Abdelkader on Kane's line.

I really hope this is the end of Torts, Burke, and Lombardi with USAH. It may turn out to be the only positive.

Might as well throw the next 2 games while they're at it.

 

[Ezekial]

Team scores no goals = Torts puts Abdelkader on Kane's line.

I really hope this is the end of Torts, Burke, and Lombardi with USAH. It may turn out to be the only positive.

Maybe Abby can get a couple bounced off his back or other parts of his midsection. That's how about 40% of his goals have been scored.

 

[Chaels Arms]

The current management at USA hockey is more concerned with trying to prove a point then with sending the team with the best chance to win. Burke, Torts and company want to show the rest of the world that their brand of hockey still works at the highest levels. While Sweden, Canada and Russia have all moved towards rosters focused on speed and skill, Burke and co. continue to live in the stone age.

The only thing that would really be bad is if the team loses the rest of their games but stay competitive. At least if they get demolished by Canada there might be some turnover amongst management.

We're about to see a golden age here in terms of skilled USA hockey players. Kane is the most skilled player the USA has ever produced and possibly the best offensive player in the world right now. Eichel, Gaudreau, Matthews... I just hope the change comes in time so that we get to see these guys playing on the best possible teams we can put together.

 

[William H Bonney]

The current management at USA hockey is more concerned with trying to prove a point then with sending the team with the best chance to win. Burke, Torts and company want to show the rest of the world that their brand of hockey still works at the highest levels. While Sweden, Canada and Russia have all moved towards rosters focused on speed and skill, Burke and co. continue to live in the stone age.

This is so spot on.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

The current management at USA hockey is more concerned with trying to prove a point then with sending the team with the best chance to win. Burke, Torts and company want to show the rest of the world that their brand of hockey still works at the highest levels. While Sweden, Canada and Russia have all moved towards rosters focused on speed and skill, Burke and co. continue to live in the stone age.

I really hope this is the end of Torts, Burke, and Lombardi with USAH. It may turn out to be the only positive.

Right. For the greater good.

 

[STC]

I wish someone would've asked Torts in the post game presser who he thought disrespected America more, the pro athletes who protest the national anthem or the 20 ****bags he put on the ice yesterday?

 

[STC]

anyone putting all the blame on Kane for that 2nd goal needs to go rewatch it and ask themselves WTF is Carlson doing on that play?

Kane skates the perimeter, gets double teamed at the blue line and Carlson decides that's a great time to vacate the weak side point and crash the far post. Such a stupid decision on his part. Kane made a bad turnover, but he gets some leeway when it comes to taking chances because of who he is, but Carlson error was completely inexcusable.

 

[Beerz]

The current management at USA hockey is more concerned with trying to prove a point then with sending the team with the best chance to win. Burke, Torts and company want to show the rest of the world that their brand of hockey still works at the highest levels. While Sweden, Canada and Russia have all moved towards rosters focused on speed and skill, Burke and co. continue to live in the stone age.

The only thing that would really be bad is if the team loses the rest of their games but stay competitive. At least if they get demolished by Canada there might be some turnover amongst management.

We're about to see a golden age here in terms of skilled USA hockey players. Kane is the most skilled player the USA has ever produced and possibly the best offensive player in the world right now. Eichel, Gaudreau, Matthews... I just hope the change comes in time so that we get to see these guys playing on the best possible teams we can put together.

Their brand of hockey still does work....but like with anything...a balance is needed. I don't think they reached that balance with this team but when skilled players you're counting on fail to even make an impact it's a bit tough regardless.