With potentially $5M in new cap space what assets might be outbound?

[stickty111]

No he isn't. He's been better than all 3 of Muzzin, Holl and Dermott.

Hayes? Is that you!!!!!?

It's not worth it guys.

 

[AvroArrow]

It's just that right now doesn't seem like a good time to go for it, just too many issues with the team. Whether Campbell gets his shit together and plays well in the playoffs or not is going to impact our chances more than any rentals we pick up. If we can add someone who will be here for a few years then I'm all for it but giving up top prospects and/or 1st rounders for rentals, no thanks.

People act like if don't "go allin" then we're giving up on the season and that's not true. These guys are supposed to be so good, so go ahead and win the cup, what's stopping you?

The thing is we've been given an opportunity that we most likely will not get again. The league is a joke and won't do anything about circumventing the cap via LTIR, so we have a chance to exploit that loophole as well. Tavares is only going to get worse, our core is in it's prime and now have money available to round out the roster. We can address all the needs we have and go for it. I think it would be foolish to not go all in this year. About 6M freed up to bolster the roster. We can add another legitimate top 4 D man and winger.

 

[glue]

I think leafs are 100% going to add someone who they think will fit well next to JT-Nylander and also add a solid d man. The question I have though is whether Leafs might consider trading Mrazek and trying someone else to supplement Campbell. Folks are saying Fleury, but I feel there's only so many prospects/picks they have and will need to utilize to add a top 6 forward plus top 4 D.

 

[Gary Nylund]

What's stopping (the Leafs) you?

probably every other team in the playoffs, I would assume. With the current roster the way it is, especially on the defensive side, I would say it's probably worth putting as much resources as you can to give the team a chance to success and not just "go ahead" and try to win the cup as is....

With the current roster the way it is, I'd save my bullets for a better time.

The thing is we've been given an opportunity that we most likely will not get again. The league is a joke and won't do anything about circumventing the cap via LTIR, so we have a chance to exploit that loophole as well. Tavares is only going to get worse, our core is in it's prime and now have money available to round out the roster. We can address all the needs we have and go for it. I think it would be foolish to not go all in this year. About 6M freed up to bolster the roster. We can add another legitimate top 4 D man and winger.

If we were playing the way we were 2 months ago I'd be more likely to go along with argument but as it is today, I don't think the 6M is enough. And it's not like we can use that money to sign free agents, every useful player we get will cost us assets. We could add that top 4 D man and a winger but if Campbell doesn't find his form it's not going to matter.

That's if we're talking rentals. If we can swing a trade for a top 4 D man that's going to be here a while, that's another story.

I think leafs are 100% going to add someone who they think will fit well next to JT-Nylander and also add a solid d man. The question I have though is whether Leafs might consider trading Mrazek and trying someone else to supplement Campbell. Folks are saying Fleury, but I feel there's only so many prospects/picks they have and will need to utilize to add a top 6 forward plus top 4 D.

That's the problem isn't it, there's only so many assets and spending them all leaves the cupboard bare. But as long as were listing priorities, not sure the goalie should be #3 behind the forward and Dman, without goaltending the rest doesn't matter.

No rentals for me. Either this core has what it takes to compete or it doesn't and either Campbell gets it together or he doesn't. If those things happen, we can compete with anyone but if they don't, the assets we spend on rentals will be wasted. JMHO.

 

[LeafGrief]

I'd go big on a defenseman. Our forwards are good enough and need a sports psychologist more than they need reinforcements. I'd go after Chychrun hard, but I'd also kick tires on Lindholm as well.

But honestly, I don't think this core is worth spending the big assets on. They've been good enough every year for four straight and they've still lost. Winning or losing isn't about the rentals anymore. I'd go for the defenseman because they would have term or we could re-sign them, rather than hoping they're the missing piece. (The missing piece is Marner's confidence in the playoffs)

And unfortunately, I am not hopeful that Muzzin will play Game 1, or any games this year for that matter.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Chychurn/Lindholm should be the big add on defense. Hagel, kubalik, copp, etc could be the medium add to the top 6. I'd also look to unload Mrazek and try to pick up Halak or Holtby.

 

[glue]

That's the problem isn't it, there's only so many assets and spending them all leaves the cupboard bare. But as long as were listing priorities, not sure the goalie should be #3 behind the forward and Dman, without goaltending the rest doesn't matter.

No rentals for me. Either this core has what it takes to compete or it doesn't and either Campbell gets it together or he doesn't. If those things happen, we can compete with anyone but if they don't, the assets we spend on rentals will be wasted. JMHO.

Totally understand where you’re coming from. And that’s a very good point regarding goaltending. I’m torn because I feel like if Muzzin does come back healthy in time for the playoffs, leafs have a chance to cap circumvent like TB and Chicago in the past who took advantage of that. But I get it, those teams already figured out how to win 1 f**king round!!

 

[Menzinger]

I would be fine moving any prospect depending on the return. Any spare Tom Wilson's around?

Same. Well, probably not Knies just beacuse I think he could be legitimately something special, but he'd be the only prospect asset I'd consider to be untouchable

 

[francis246]

No he isn't. He's been better than all 3 of Muzzin, Holl and Dermott.

idk about all of that. He’s a turn over machine but he’s had bright spots

 

[Maplebeasts]

Same. Well, probably not Knies just beacuse I think he could be legitimately something special, but he'd be the only prospect asset I'd consider to be untouchable

Really none of our top 4 prospects should be available barring a massive upgrade with term. Robertson would be an AHL rookie in normal circumstances and his play/production is in line with a good first round talent. Niemela is having one of the best U-20 seasons in Liiga history and dominates against his similarly aged peers internationally. For obvious moral/optical reasons moving Amirov is a non starter. I'd rather move our next two first rounders if need be and prospects like Abruzzese and SDA if the intention is to go all in. I personally would rather make depth additions and keep all of our top prospects/futures for what I believe is actually our best chance at a cup in 2 years when Robertson, Niemela, Knies and Amirov are contributing on their ELCs.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'd go big on a defenseman. Our forwards are good enough and need a sports psychologist more than they need reinforcements. I'd go after Chychrun hard, but I'd also kick tires on Lindholm as well.

But honestly, I don't think this core is worth spending the big assets on. They've been good enough every year for four straight and they've still lost. Winning or losing isn't about the rentals anymore. I'd go for the defenseman because they would have term or we could re-sign them, rather than hoping they're the missing piece. (The missing piece is Marner's confidence in the playoffs)

And unfortunately, I am not hopeful that Muzzin will play Game 1, or any games this year for that matter.

Really none of our top 4 prospects should be available barring a massive upgrade with term. Robertson would be an AHL rookie in normal circumstances and his play/production is in line with a good first round talent. Niemela is having one of the best U-20 seasons in Liiga history and dominates against his similarly aged peers internationally. For obvious moral/optical reasons moving Amirov is a non starter. I'd rather move our next two first rounders if need be and prospects like Abruzzese and SDA if the intention is to go all in. I personally would rather make depth additions and keep all of our top prospects/futures for what I believe is actually our best chance at a cup in 2 years when Robertson, Niemela, Knies and Amirov are contributing on their ELCs.

I know that the "we have to go for it now" crowd won't like this, but 2 years from now we could definitely be in a much better position than we're in today. And that's one reason why I'd rather save our bullets for another day.

 

[ACC1224]

I'd go big on a defenseman. Our forwards are good enough and need a sports psychologist more than they need reinforcements. I'd go after Chychrun hard, but I'd also kick tires on Lindholm as well.

But honestly, I don't think this core is worth spending the big assets on. They've been good enough every year for four straight and they've still lost. Winning or losing isn't about the rentals anymore. I'd go for the defenseman because they would have term or we could re-sign them, rather than hoping they're the missing piece. (The missing piece is Marner's confidence in the playoffs)

And unfortunately, I am not hopeful that Muzzin will play Game 1, or any games this year for that matter.

If they aren't worth it now, when will they be ready?

 

[Gary Nylund]

If they aren't worth it now, when will they be ready?

Why do you expect him to know something that nobody can possibly know?

And a better question would be not when will they be ready, but will they ever be ready.

 

[TakeTheBody]

The needs are a solid 3C and a RHD. I think Matthews is so good now he can lead a line without Marner or Styles. I'd pair Matthews with Bunting and Kase, make a super second line of Styles, Marner and Pajama boy. Move Kampf to 4C where he is best suited. Keep Knies and Roberston. Trade Dermott/Holl and a forward someone may like on the third or fourth line as a throw in. Package the number one pick. Whoever you trade with have them retain 50% salary. Hope Muzzin is better in April and fight the good fight. Dubas has his work cut out, he got us in this mess signing Pajama boy.

 

[mydnyte]

Mik should be traded. he's expiring, and already asked for a trade, and he could bring a decent return, as on another team he can easily play top 6

 

[cupcrazyman]

Lilly and Sandin are off the table. Holl and Dermott are going to be moved long before those 2.

They should be but look who our GM is.

Questionable drafting & asset management.

 

[ToneDog]

By Kevin McGranStaff Reporter
Thu., Feb. 24, 2022

Pretty much has the same take as most fans on this board do:

What do the Leafs do with their salary cap space? | The Star

 

[francis246]

Why do you expect him to know something that nobody can possibly know?

And a better question would be not when will they be ready, but will they ever be ready.

Yet you guys wanna hinge your chances on players who may not even pan out. It’s kind of crazy.

 

[Bluelines]

Hayes? Is that you!!!!!?

Lilly may become the greatest Dman in the history of hockey but right now, he is a give away machine, skates himself into corners, takes too long to make decisions, is slow to get the puck out of the defensive zone and in his part time delivers pizza's to the opposing team... he looks every bit of a 1st year #6 d-man.

There was a rumor on sports talk radio in Vancouver that the Leafs have "recently" touched base with Vancouver about Miller and Schenn and Vancouver's ask was Lilly, +, + ... I'll drive Lilly to the Airport myself if he is part of a package for Miller.

 

[Bluelines]

No he isn't. He's been better than all 3 of Muzzin, Holl and Dermott.

Jesus that is the worst take I've seen on a players current skills since tie Domi said he was more of a shooter than a fighter...

 

[Judas Tavares]

To me, clubs dealing their talent are going to prize players about to step in vs the uncertainty of waiting 3 years for a pick to ripen. Thats why guys like Steeves, or Anderson or Abruzzese might appeal to both fledgeling clubs like Seattle and other clubs that don't see themselves as quite that far off like Van or Philly. Roni isn't there yet, not to mention the Leafs lack of centers in the pipeline. The only reason I thought that Tverberg might be movable is I dont see him as a C and I thought maybe his NA exposure might have more shine to make him a Sean Haggerty type throw in.

I am curious as to who the other 31 GMs around the league see as our number #5 prospect and how coveted if at all they'd be. Hirvonen for potential? Steeves for NHL-readiness and AHL production? Abruzzese after his Olympics? Maybe Kral or Rubins based off of safe defensive floor?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Yet you guys wanna hinge your chances on players who may not even pan out. It’s kind of crazy.

Our core is our core whether they pan out or not. Unless you want to trade them all? Trading one seems like a reasonable idea, I have no interest in trading Matthews though.

 

[francis246]

Our core is our core whether they pan out or not. Unless you want to trade them all? Trading one seems like a reasonable idea, I have no interest in trading Matthews though.

I'm talking about prospects that you want to hold onto. There is no guarantee any of them even pan out. Not talking about the core. I don't want to see any of them (Nylander, Rielly, JT, Matthews, Marner) traded at any point. The only untouchable prospect should be Knies. He is everything the organization has needed for years. Niemela is growing on me. If you keep him I'd be okay with moving Liljegren or Sandin for a slightly older, more effective dman with 3+ years of term on their deal. But if I'm Dubas I'm not attached to any of these prospects, Dubas may not even be here to see them pan out or fail. So why should he care.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'm talking about prospects that you want to hold onto. There is no guarantee any of them even pan out. Not talking about the core. I don't want to see any of them (Nylander, Rielly, JT, Matthews, Marner) traded at any point. The only untouchable prospect should be Knies. He is everything the organization has needed for years. Niemela is growing on me. If you keep him I'd be okay with moving Liljegren or Sandin for a slightly older, more effective dman with 3+ years of term on their deal. But if I'm Dubas I'm not attached to any of these prospects, Dubas may not even be here to see them pan out or fail. So why should he care.

I'm fine with trading any prospects, picks or players but not for rentals.

 

[GrizzGreen]

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