Proposal: Winnipeg-N.Y Rangers

[voyageur]

I hate making these proposals on the main boards, but here I go.

Jets would like Braden Schneider out of the Rangers organization. To me that's the guy I want the most in a Jets uniform. His former coach Dave Lowry is currently an assistant with the Jets. Jets are looking less like a playoff team than the Rangers and they are pinned to the Cap, with almost no flexibility.

For the Rangers I'd have to believe that they have some interest in Andrew Copp. That's Trouba's former teammate, roommate, childhood friend. He's also a very well rounded player, having a very good season. Likely his last in Winnipeg. Would be a guy I think the Rangers could easily re-sign, and that's not a plug, that's a valuable top 6/9 contributor, plays every position. He'd also be the Rangers go to faceoff guy, by the looks of it.

I don't think Copp' status alone gets Schneider, but if the Jets added Nate Schmidt (half retained) there's a decent addition. Fills out the Rangers need for a possible top 4 d-man. I was thinking that maybe a player like Sammy Blais evens out that trade.

For the Jets I am looking at a defense of

Morrissey-Schneider
Heinola-Pionk
Dillon-De Melo

And that's got some talent. Schneider address the big RD hole that hasn't been filled since Buff retired.

Rangers get immediate help, guys who have had some playoff success. Jets get their guy, for the future. And some Cap breathing space to manoeuvre with.

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[jay from jersey]

No
Schneider is going to break in 3rd pair next season and be Trouba’s eventual cheaper replacement in the following 1-2 years after that. Since being drafted he’s won WHL D of the year and is playing heavy minutes well with Jones on 1st pair in the A.
If rangers weren’t so deep with prospect/young guys on RD, Schneider would have started 3rd pair this season. He had a solid camp. He’s going to be a very good D for a long time.
Copp is a nice player, but he’s going to get too much money for what he brings. Rangers will be tight to cap as it is.

 

[5cotland]

Wait so you want Braden Schneider, probs our best prospect, who by your d-line, you put in top pairing along with Sammy Blais who we just traded away Buchnevich for and was actually a pretty decent middle 6 forward until he got injured,

For another middle-6 winger rental and an overpaid mid-line LHD where we are actually stacked on that position with Jones and Robertson nearly ready for the jump.

It seems like Rangers lose this trade pretty badly. If Drury refused to move Schneider for Eichel, I definitely dont see him moving him for Copp.

 

[cwede]

NYR dont want to move Schneider, they traded up to get him, and he was best D in WHL last season

Jets offer would need to start w Perfetti or Lucious and be added to.

And even then, unless it was one of those plus PLD extended and retained (not something that happens in real world, only at boards like this) not sure Jets could make an offer for Schneider that would compel NYR to move Schneider

 

[bernmeister]

NO and without any hope of retooling.

I hate making these proposals on the main boards, but here I go.

Jets would like Braden Schneider out of the Rangers organization. To me that's the guy I want the most in a Jets uniform. His former coach Dave Lowry is currently an assistant with the Jets. Jets are looking less like a playoff team than the Rangers and they are pinned to the Cap, with almost no flexibility.

For the Rangers I'd have to believe that they have some interest in Andrew Copp. That's Trouba's former teammate, roommate, childhood friend. He's also a very well rounded player, having a very good season. Likely his last in Winnipeg. Would be a guy I think the Rangers could easily re-sign, and that's not a plug, that's a valuable top 6/9 contributor, plays every position. He'd also be the Rangers go to faceoff guy, by the looks of it.

I don't think Copp' status alone gets Schneider, but if the Jets added Nate Schmidt (half retained) there's a decent addition. Fills out the Rangers need for a possible top 4 d-man. I was thinking that maybe a player like Sammy Blais evens out that trade.

For the Jets I am looking at a defense of

Morrissey-Schneider
Heinola-Pionk
Dillon-De Melo

And that's got some talent. Schneider address the big RD hole that hasn't been filled since Buff retired.

Rangers get immediate help, guys who have had some playoff success. Jets get their guy, for the future. And some Cap breathing space to manoeuvre with.

Copp is not a big add for us.
We are super up vs cap next season due to Fox + Zib extens and we are dealing vets, and keeping or looking to add elcs, not trade them,

Again, no to another foolish mandering about how NY is better served by illogical win now splurge, when reality is best hope for sustained cup run is depth by young cheap cap hit blue chips -- which we have enuf for us, but not surplus.

No
Schneider is going to break in 3rd pair next season and be Trouba’s eventual cheaper replacement in the following 1-2 years after that. Since being drafted he’s won WHL D of the year and is playing heavy minutes well with Jones on 1st pair in the A.
If rangers weren’t so deep with prospect/young guys on RD, Schneider would have started 3rd pair this season. He had a solid camp. He’s going to be a very good D for a long time.
Copp is a nice player, but he’s going to get too much money for what he brings. Rangers will be tight to cap as it is.

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Wait so you want Braden Schneider, probs our best prospect, who by your d-line, you put in top pairing along with Sammy Blais who we just traded away Buchnevich for and was actually a pretty decent middle 6 forward until he got injured,

For another middle-6 winger rental and an overpaid mid-line LHD where we are actually stacked on that position with Jones and Robertson nearly ready for the jump.

It seems like Rangers lose this trade pretty badly. If Drury refused to move Schneider for Eichel, I definitely dont see him moving him for Copp.

more than seems
there would be a severe bend over
so Paradise by the Dashboard Light and stop right there, OP

 

[Patagonia]

Ridiculous proposal.

Copp essentially is a rental. NYR is shedding salaries after dumping Buch and long term commitments to Zib/Fox. Schneider is among their best prospects and traded up for the opportunity to draft and need the cheap savings from the ELC.

Comparable counter proposal would be:

Strome

for

Heinola

 

[Stewie Griffin]

In all seriousness, prospects never getting traded FOR. Prospects are used as assets in bigger trades, but when has a team just straight up traded for someone's prospect?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Schneider is not available.

 

[TGWL]

Where is Andrew Copp playing in our line-up? He's on pace to have a career year (slightly ahead of last season), so signing him won't be easy. Averaging 20+ minutes a night, do you see that happening when he's traded to NYR?

Who's moving down? Kakko? Is Copp playing with Zibanejad or Strome/Panarin? Because Panarin and Strome are glued to the hip, so if we're using Copp as a center instead of his current wing position, he's going to end up as the 3C - which means we really have to be careful about the cap hit and will have to move out Chytil.

Is Copp taking #2 next year with Strome leaving?

He's a good player. Teams would love to have him. (Forget about which prospect or player is being traded. We definitely won't be moving out Schneider.) I just don't think it makes sense for NYR who will struggle to re-sign him while playing him in a lesser position.

 

[BatVader]

If I’m moving Copp, it’s for an RW, not an RD.

 

[Djp]

A UFA rental is not getting you a U21 top 20 draft pick.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I hate making these proposals on the main boards, but here I go.

Jets would like Braden Schneider out of the Rangers organization. To me that's the guy I want the most in a Jets uniform. His former coach Dave Lowry is currently an assistant with the Jets. Jets are looking less like a playoff team than the Rangers and they are pinned to the Cap, with almost no flexibility.

For the Rangers I'd have to believe that they have some interest in Andrew Copp. That's Trouba's former teammate, roommate, childhood friend. He's also a very well rounded player, having a very good season. Likely his last in Winnipeg. Would be a guy I think the Rangers could easily re-sign, and that's not a plug, that's a valuable top 6/9 contributor, plays every position. He'd also be the Rangers go to faceoff guy, by the looks of it.

I don't think Copp' status alone gets Schneider, but if the Jets added Nate Schmidt (half retained) there's a decent addition. Fills out the Rangers need for a possible top 4 d-man. I was thinking that maybe a player like Sammy Blais evens out that trade.

For the Jets I am looking at a defense of

Morrissey-Schneider
Heinola-Pionk
Dillon-De Melo

And that's got some talent. Schneider address the big RD hole that hasn't been filled since Buff retired.

Rangers get immediate help, guys who have had some playoff success. Jets get their guy, for the future. And some Cap breathing space to manoeuvre with.

I think the Ranger would have to be blown away to trade Schneider. And this doesn’t do that.

 

[bumblebeeman]

I get why Rangers fans wouldn't do this, as a Jets fan I wouldn't either. A trade like this means they are giving up on the season, which would be a mistake. I really like Schmidt, he has been the best partner for Morrissey since Buff retired. I'd rather not pay half is salary for the next 3 years while we hope that Schneider becomes as good as him (which I don't think is a guarantee, but of course he could become better than him too). Downgrading from Copp to Blais would hurt as well.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Wait so you want Braden Schneider, probs our best prospect, who by your d-line, you put in top pairing along with Sammy Blais who we just traded away Buchnevich for and was actually a pretty decent middle 6 forward until he got injured,

For another middle-6 winger rental and an overpaid mid-line LHD where we are actually stacked on that position with Jones and Robertson nearly ready for the jump.

It seems like Rangers lose this trade pretty badly. If Drury refused to move Schneider for Eichel, I definitely dont see him moving him for Copp.

He has definitely been a top 6 center this season

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’d be interested in Copp but I’d certainly need something better coming back than Copp for one of the best defensive prospects in NA

 

[Brixton]

Wait so you want Braden Schneider, probs our best prospect, who by your d-line, you put in top pairing along with Sammy Blais who we just traded away Buchnevich for and was actually a pretty decent middle 6 forward until he got injured,

For another middle-6 winger rental and an overpaid mid-line LHD where we are actually stacked on that position with Jones and Robertson nearly ready for the jump.

It seems like Rangers lose this trade pretty badly. If Drury refused to move Schneider for Eichel, I definitely dont see him moving him for Copp.

Schmidt plays the right side but shoots left (has for years) and Copp isn’t a bottom 6 winger, but thanks for showing your Google skills to make your assumptions as opposed ever watching the player.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I dont understand why the Rangers would give up a top prospect for a rental and a mid pairing dman when they could get both of things separately and pay significantly less....

 

[Kupo]

I dont understand why the Rangers would give up a top prospect for a rental and a mid pairing dman when they could get both of things separately and pay significantly less....

They wouldn’t.

These Schneider proposals need to die.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

This proposal is illegal

 

[voyageur]

I dont understand why the Rangers would give up a top prospect for a rental and a mid pairing dman when they could get both of things separately and pay significantly less....

I had a feeling Rags fans would come back like that. I mean Copp is more or less producing at the same rate as Kevin Hayes was, when he was traded for a 20th OA pick, and Brendan Lemieux. Yet he is a better defensive player than Hayes, 55% on the draw, and a 1st unit PK guy. All the tools, and I think he gets discounted because he plays in Winnipeg. Like I said Trouba's long time friend, I think he'd sign long term to play on the Rangers, in the spotlight.

Throwing a top 4 d-man (half retained), with term, and fans are still like hey this prospect is blue chip, even though he will never get top minutes behind two minute munchers on the right side. I'd say that's strange concept of asset management. Because the Rangers sure look like they could use a Copp type player for a lot of situations. And Schmidt is quite likely more impactful than Miller as a top 4 d-man. So I am confused as to what the real objection is, other than Cap management. Which I can see as legit, or something that would need to be addressed in other moveable parts.

That's just my opinion.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I had a feeling Rags fans would come back like that. I mean Copp is more or less producing at the same rate as Kevin Hayes was, when he was traded for a 20th OA pick, and Brendan Lemieux. Yet he is a better defensive player than Hayes, 55% on the draw, and a 1st unit PK guy. All the tools, and I think he gets discounted because he plays in Winnipeg. Like I said Trouba's long time friend, I think he'd sign long term to play on the Rangers, in the spotlight.

Throwing a top 4 d-man (half retained), with term, and fans are still like hey this prospect is blue chip, even though he will never get top minutes behind two minute munchers on the right side. I'd say that's strange concept of asset management. Because the Rangers sure look like they could use a Copp type player for a lot of situations. And Schmidt is quite likely more impactful than Miller as a top 4 d-man. So I am confused as to what the real objection is, other than Cap management. Which I can see as legit, or something that would need to be addressed in other moveable parts.

That's just my opinion.

If you had a feeling Rangers fans wouldn't like the trade its probably not a good trade.

Looking back on the Hayes trade I dont think it worked out for Winnipeg so why would the Rangers make the same mistake? Rangers can't sign him and he isn't the difference in them having a shot at the cup.

Schmidt has been traded twice in the last year and change for a 3rd rounder. Sure the retention increases his value but with the Rangers being stacked at defense with prospects why would they do that? Seriously why would they spend assets on a position they are strongest in. I would also bet Rangers fans would rather continue with Miller on an ELC then give Schmidt 3 mill a year for the next however many years.

Wouldn't they also just look for a team who has a center locked up long term and have them retain half? That would actually help them.

Sorry the trade doesn't make say sense. You are trying to give them pieces they don't need.

This is basically a Strome for Perfetti proposal with other parts that don't make sense. Do you do it?

 

[eco's bones]

Of all the Rangers prospects Schneider is the one I value the most. Value him more than Nils Lundkvist.

The other issue is we’re really not in a position to be taking on salary. That in itself makes this unworkable.

 

[5cotland]

Schmidt plays the right side but shoots left (has for years) and Copp isn’t a bottom 6 winger, but thanks for showing your Google skills to make your assumptions as opposed ever watching the player.

I know Shmidt plays both sides but he is still overpaid and contract is still a bit too long for what we need.

As for Copp, googling does nothing, i know he has been playing on the top 2 lines. Sammy Blais & Barclay Goodrow and player on our top line & Dryden Hunt has been playing on our 2nd line but it doesnt mean they are top 6 forwards.

 

[Brixton]

I know Shmidt plays both sides but he is still overpaid and contract is still a bit too long for what we need.

As for Copp, googling does nothing, i know he has been playing on the top 2 lines. Sammy Blais & Barclay Goodrow and player on our top line & Dryden Hunt has been playing on our 2nd line but it doesnt mean they are top 6 forwards.

Making a comment where you say we don’t need a LHD cause we are stacked at that position about a player that plays RHD is of no value. It is the same as me saying we don’t need Schneider cause we are already deep up the middle.

as per your comparison of Copp to Blais, goodriw and hunt I don’t know what you are try to compare. Copp has played top 6 to compliment players like schief, Dubois, wheeler, ehler, Connor, stats, and lowry. Goodrow, hunt and blais play top line because they are the next best option up for you guys. None of those guys you listed would be moved up because they compliment or do better job than top line players . Copp does and is so much better so bad comparison.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Making a comment where you say we don’t need a LHD cause we are stacked at that position about a player that plays RHD is of no value. It is the same as me saying we don’t need Schneider cause we are already deep up the middle.

as per your comparison of Copp to Blais, goodriw and hunt I don’t know what you are try to compare. Copp has played top 6 to compliment players like schief, Dubois, wheeler, ehler, Connor, stats, and lowry. Goodrow, hunt and blais play top line because they are the next best option up for you guys. None of those guys you listed would be moved up because they compliment or do better job than top line players . Copp does and is so much better so bad comparison.

I think he is assuming you understand that Fox and Trouba play RD. Schmidt isn't better than either and thus would play on the 3rd pair. Rangers have Schneider and Nils who are going to take the 3rd pairing and maybe even second pairing. 4 RD for 3 spots....their prospect pool on LD is even deeper. Schmidt is useless give it up.