OT: Winnipeg Blue Bombers 2023 Season - Another terrible disappointment. NEXT: Tough Decisions on How to Rebuild.

[Huffer]

The CFL has taken control of the Als while they work out the details of a pending sale

That's unfortunate. Hopefully a great owner will step up. This league needs to improve in Montreal and TO.

I'd be disappointed for Schoen, but man would that be huge for us.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

The CFL has taken control of the Als while they work out the details of a pending sale

I'm kinda surprised they didn't just give it to Stern, probably he doesn't have the money to run it alone. When the father in law died it really broke that ownership group. I don't anticipate this being a big deal. Montreal will find something shortly here. They did fine coming out of COVID.

 

[bustamente]

I'm kinda surprised they didn't just give it to Stern, probably he doesn't have the money to run it alone. When the father in law died it really broke that ownership group. I don't anticipate this being a big deal. Montreal will find something shortly here. They did fine coming out of COVID.

According to the story the league has reinstatement a former team president and have several interested parties, I find the timing of the announcement to be a little weird considering it's FA day. I also don't expect the team to be ownerless for a long time.

 

[WaveRaven]

I can't believe Schoen isn't getting signed down there.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Good breakdown of the current depth chart as we enter FA.

 

[FonRiesen]

I can't believe Schoen isn't getting signed down there.

It's all about politics and draft position...

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I can't believe Schoen isn't getting signed down there.

The rumour I heard going around was that NFL teams did not like Schoen's acceleration off the line. The thought process from them was that he was great with the waggle, but he doesn't have the acceleration off the line to create separation for the more stationary NFL offenses. Not saying I agree, but that's what I heard as to why there wasn't much NFL interest.

 

[WaveRaven]

I figured it's something but I think he's good enough. Good news for us now ink him long term.

 

[snowkiddin]

I wonder if Schoen doesn’t have a bit of a sophomore slump this year. I mean, it’s going to be difficult to repeat what he did last season.

But even so, good luck covering both him and Lawler. I don’t know how you can stop that.

 

[jokesondee]

I wonder if Schoen doesn’t have a bit of a sophomore slump this year. I mean, it’s going to be difficult to repeat what he did last season.

But even so, good luck covering both him and Lawler. I don’t know how you can stop that.

......and Demski.......

 

[None]

Elks are apparently signing Eugene Lewis at 320k*2, so 20k more than Lawler got last season. That's pretty wild for a single non-quarterback player.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Elks are apparently signing Eugene Lewis at 320k*2, so 20k more than Lawler got last season. That's pretty wild for a single non-quarterback player.

Alot of big contracts being handed out. Ti-Cats gave Joel Figuera 195K, making him highest paid American OL in CFL.

I think there's a couple of factors at play here.
1) Rising cap obviously, but not biggest factor
2) Squeezing out of middle class, as most cap systems tend to do
3) Lack of high end QBs squeezing on everyone's cap. I few years ago guys Bo Levi and Reilly were eating 700k+ of room, leaving little room elsewhere. Now there's Collaros at 600k and I'm not sure anyone else is above 525k. Leaving lots of money and teams available for bidding wars.

 

[None]

Alot of big contracts being handed out. Ti-Cats gave Joel Figuera 195K, making him highest paid American OL in CFL.

I think there's a couple of factors at play here.
1) Rising cap obviously, but not biggest factor
2) Squeezing out of middle class, as most cap systems tend to do
3) Lack of high end QBs squeezing on everyone's cap. I few years ago guys Bo Levi and Reilly were eating 700k+ of room, leaving little room elsewhere. Now there's Collaros at 600k and I'm not sure anyone else is above 525k. Leaving lots of money and teams available for bidding wars.

Yeah, that run on QBs when Reilly was hitting free agency blew everything up. I think a correction back to normalcy after that run of ridiculous starting QB salaries makes sense to me. That correction combined with the cap being quite a bit higher since before that run of QB salaries is probably just making some of the higher salaries look that much more inflated.

 

[wpgfishfan]

Surprised Schoen wasn't signed with each team keeping 6 WR and 2 on practice squad so not including injuries so they think he's not one of the best 256 WR in NFL

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Prukop to USFL. Likely has a chance to start there, whereas 3rd string is the best he could do in CFL. Bombers will be looking for a new 3rd down QB.

 

[ThinIce61]

The rumour I heard going around was that NFL teams did not like Schoen's acceleration off the line. The thought process from them was that he was great with the waggle, but he doesn't have the acceleration off the line to create separation for the more stationary NFL offenses. Not saying I agree, but that's what I heard as to why there wasn't much NFL interest.

The NFL has always been very formulaic(for lack of a better word) in terms of scouting players and player evaluations. Many years ago in one of the NFL Yearbooks of the day(wasn't Street & Smith, but another one) there was a very interesting article about what NFL Scouting staffs look for in players at every single position-like OT have to be a specific height and weight minimum, wingspan etc, with different sets of criteria for each position. The article made it seem that teams rarely if at all are looking at stats and if they considered intangibles at all it was such a minute amount as to make a difference. Certainly not out of the box thinking. I'm sure it's changed a little since but it is as if they completely discount a player if he doesn't fit the to my mind totally arbitrary guidelines they set. I mean as an example right now C.J. Stroud is all the rage and regardless of whether he fits the prototypical QB mold for the NFL or not I'd avoid him like a case of herpes. There has yet to be much NFL success for any Ohio State QB in the NFL outside of Jalen Hurts. I don't think that NFL teams think outside the box enough or Schoen would likely easily make some rosters and Streveler could certainly be worked into some NFL teams offensive scheme on a more regular basis.

 

[wpgfishfan]

The NFL has always been very formulaic(for lack of a better word) in terms of scouting players and player evaluations. Many years ago in one of the NFL Yearbooks of the day(wasn't Street & Smith, but another one) there was a very interesting article about what NFL Scouting staffs look for in players at every single position-like OT have to be a specific height and weight minimum, wingspan etc, with different sets of criteria for each position. The article made it seem that teams rarely if at all are looking at stats and if they considered intangibles at all it was such a minute amount as to make a difference. Certainly not out of the box thinking. I'm sure it's changed a little since but it is as if they completely discount a player if he doesn't fit the to my mind totally arbitrary guidelines they set. I mean as an example right now C.J. Stroud is all the rage and regardless of whether he fits the prototypical QB mold for the NFL or not I'd avoid him like a case of herpes. There has yet to be much NFL success for any Ohio State QB in the NFL outside of Jalen Hurts. I don't think that NFL teams think outside the box enough or Schoen would likely easily make some rosters and Streveler could certainly be worked into some NFL teams offensive scheme on a more regular basis.

Jalen Hurts went to Bama and Oklahoma not Ohio State

 

[bustamente]

No reason that Schoen can't have an incredible career in Canada and get paid well, sure the goal is the NFL but apparently it's just not in the cards at this time

 

[ThinIce61]

Jalen Hurts went to Bama and Oklahoma not Ohio State

I hadn't had enough coffee when I made my post and was for some reason fixated on him having gone there. So really I can't think of a successful Ohio State QB ever in the NFL.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Saying the quiet part out loud. NFL teams don't WANT exceptional players or care about on-field talent, they have to fit the "prototype"...

Is this supposed to reflect well on the ones quoted in this article?

 

[ThinIce61]

Saying the quiet part out loud. NFL teams don't WANT exceptional players or care about on-field talent, they have to fit the "prototype"...

Is this supposed to reflect well on the ones quoted in this article?

Hard to argue with the careers of Tom Landry and Bill Parcells but I'm willing to be that if the resources were available to do a deep dive into all the players that rain through the respective teams training camps over the years there would be players who "didn't fit their position's prototypical stereotype" that were passed over that turned out to be very successful to a team more open to their "exceptional" attributes.

 

[None]

Saying the quiet part out loud. NFL teams don't WANT exceptional players or care about on-field talent, they have to fit the "prototype"...

Is this supposed to reflect well on the ones quoted in this article?

The NHL suffers from the same issues in scouting, obviously the measurables are different than what NFL looks for but it's all the same.

There's comfort and (job) security in going with what you know and not trying to innovate or find that exception to your formula that could put you over the top.

I think the CFL allows for some of those exceptions to shine, like Adam Bighill who's probably one of the smartest active players who just didn't have the right measurables to stick in the NFL. A touch too slow to play safety and too short to play Will or Sam linebacker.

 

[TS Quint]

Saying the quiet part out loud. NFL teams don't WANT exceptional players or care about on-field talent, they have to fit the "prototype"...

Is this supposed to reflect well on the ones quoted in this article?

That’s not what it says. You‘re saying prototypes cant be exceptional?

another point Parcells made was to turn the bottom half of the roster over and over looking for exceptional players.

 

[TS Quint]

The NHL suffers from the same issues in scouting, obviously the measurables are different than what NFL looks for but it's all the same.

There's comfort and (job) security in going with what you know and not trying to innovate or find that exception to your formula that could put you over the top.

I think the CFL allows for some of those exceptions to shine, like Adam Bighill who's probably one of the smartest active players who just didn't have the right measurables to stick in the NFL. A touch too slow to play safety and too short to play Will or Sam linebacker.

If you look at NHL drafting teams are ever improving their drafting. Look at the past draft boards, there are A few exceptions but the best players are at the higher end of the draft. The exceptions are very few but thats how it works. Some people develop later.

CFL is a different game than the NFL. It allows for a different type of player not exceptions in the realm of the CFL.

 

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