Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[jkutswings]

2023 off season snapshot.... the Wings chose the wrong goalie ,Jesper Wallstedt is clearly the better netminder. Cossa's save % dropped in the WHL after he was drafted, he couldn't hold the #1 spot in net at World Juniors in either year, couldn't stick in GR, was rotated in Toledo (not even the best netminder there) and was pulled in his last ECHL game after being up 1 goal.

Insert goalies take a long time to develop retort here.

Odds Wings draft another goalie in this draft, 100%. I predict, with research that none of you can match, that it will be - Yegor Zavragin.

Said research consisted of knowing the Wings will not take a goalie early, Elites has him at #7, he is over 6 feet tall, 2nd youngest goalie in the group (with the other being under 6 feet) and I like that name.

Not only do I think this is the wrong pick, the guy is developing a routine where he does NOT come up big in the most important games. That is a death nail for the man inbetween the pipes.

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Ooh, another post of, "Player X will clearly be better than Player Y in the NHL!" (Even though neither has played any NHL games yet.)

These are fun! I'll go next.

Clearly Fantilli is better than Carlsson because reasons. Anybody taking Carlsson at 2 needs their head examined (again, because reasons).

But the way, don't tout your superior research for why the Wings won't take a goalie early while criticizing the goalie they moved up to take in the first round.

 

[raymond23]

2023 off season snapshot.... the Wings chose the wrong goalie ,Jesper Wallstedt is clearly the better netminder. Cossa's save % dropped in the WHL after he was drafted, he couldn't hold the #1 spot in net at World Juniors in either year, couldn't stick in GR, was rotated in Toledo (not even the best netminder there) and was pulled in his last ECHL game after being up 1 goal.

Insert goalies take a long time to develop retort here.

Odds Wings draft another goalie in this draft, 100%. I predict, with research that none of you can match, that it will be - Yegor Zavragin.

Said research consisted of knowing the Wings will not take a goalie early, Elites has him at #7, he is over 6 feet tall, 2nd youngest goalie in the group (with the other being under 6 feet) and I like that name.

Not only do I think this is the wrong pick, the guy is developing a routine where he does NOT come up big in the most important games. That is a death nail for the man inbetween the pipes.

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Criticizing the organization for a make believe draft pick, that’s next level 10/10

 

[opivy]

Criticizing the organization for a make believe draft pick, that’s next level 10/10

These amps go to 11/10 dude.

 

[heyfolks]

Criticizing the organization for a make believe draft pick, that’s next level 10/10

You mean they didn't pay a praice to move up and draft Cossa ahead of Jesper Wallstedt?


Did Wallstedt NOT play in 38 AHL games with a 9.08 SP?


IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship - 3-0 .947%

Go back to 2021 and redraft. Do you give up 23, 48, and 138 to take Cossa? Do you not make the trade at all or take Wallstedt?


Too early to tell, it's June. A long summer but I will continue to provide solid in depth research a day after I hand it to Scott Wheeler. Hes gets first crack.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

You mean they didn't pay a praice to move up and draft Cossa ahead of Jesper Wallstedt?


Did Wallstedt NOT play in 38 AHL games with a 9.08 SP?


IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship - 3-0 .947%

Go back to 2021 and redraft. Do you give up 23, 48, and 138 to take Cossa? Do you not make the trade at all or take Wallstedt?


Too early to tell, it's June. A long summer but I will continue to provide solid in depth research a day after I hand it to Scott Wheeler. Hes gets first crack.


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[ricky0034]

You mean they didn't pay a praice to move up and draft Cossa ahead of Jesper Wallstedt?


Did Wallstedt NOT play in 38 AHL games with a 9.08 SP?


IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship - 3-0 .947%

Go back to 2021 and redraft. Do you give up 23, 48, and 138 to take Cossa? Do you not make the trade at all or take Wallstedt?


Too early to tell, it's June. A long summer but I will continue to provide solid in depth research a day after I hand it to Scott Wheeler. Hes gets first crack.


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woah Wallstedt had a .908 save percentage?

I can't believe the Wings didn't draft a guy that was almost in the top 20 in the AHL they should probably fire every single member of the scouting staff

 

[Henkka]

Both goalies will be good.

It's not that only either of them could become NHL starter. Developmental paths are just different.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Both goalies will be good.

It's not that only either of them could become NHL starter. Developmental paths are just different.

Kinda like how Markstrom and McCollum were going to be equally good. 2 years after he was drafted, McCollum played in the ECHL. And where is that bum Markstrom now, eh? Only 435 NHL games? BUST!

 

[Henkka]

Kinda like how Markstrom and McCollum were going to be equally good. 2 years after he was drafted, McCollum played in the ECHL. And where is that bum Markstrom now, eh? Only 435 NHL games? BUST!

It took 7 years for Markström to become NHL starter since drafted. Hope Wallsted does better as well as Cossa.

 

[newfy]

Kinda like how Markstrom and McCollum were going to be equally good. 2 years after he was drafted, McCollum played in the ECHL. And where is that bum Markstrom now, eh? Only 435 NHL games? BUST!

Horrible example to prove your point. Markstrom took a long time to develop after the draft but was an elite athlete that was massive. Mcollum was the more technically sound, less upside goalie.

That situation right there is exactly why people should relax on the Wallstedt love. Hes not even playing on some different level than Cossa as is

 

[heyfolks]

woah Wallstedt had a .908 save percentage?

I can't believe the Wings didn't draft a guy that was almost in the top 20 in the AHL they should probably fire every single member of the scouting staff

Compare that winning AHL record and .908 SP to Cossa's .783 SP in his 3 game look at GR.

I will leave it to you to compare the .908% to Cossa's .913% over last regular season. What factor to you build in for a nemtinder playing in the 2nd or 3rd best league in the world in comparison to the ECHL?

Sebastian Cossa Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics of Sebastian Cossa, a hockey player from Hamilton, ONT born Nov 21 2002 who was active from 2019 to 2025.

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Of course, we all want Cossa to be the back stop of tomorrow but TODAY, given the performances of both, you wouldn't move up to take Cossa. Maybe you still make the deal, but you select Wallstedt.


A stated in my OP:

Insert goalies take a long time to develop retort here.

As for McCollum - I was very vocal about his path. That guy should have gone to college. He chose poorly. For Cossa, college is the ECHL.

Horcoff quote on good shooters in the E... come on now.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Compare that winning AHL record and .908 SP to Cossa's .783 SP in his 3 game look at GR.

I will leave it to you to compare the .908% to Cossa's .913% over last regular season. What factor to you build in for a nemtinder playing in the 2nd or 3rd best league in the world in comparison to the AHL?

Sebastian Cossa Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics of Sebastian Cossa, a hockey player from Hamilton, ONT born Nov 21 2002 who was active from 2019 to 2025.

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Of course, we all want Cossa to be the back stop of tomorrow but TODAY, given the performances of both, you wouldn't move up to take Cossa. Maybe you still make the deal, but you select Wallstedt.


A stated in my OP:

Insert goalies take a long time to develop retort here.

As for McCollum - I was very vocal about his path. That guy should have gone to college. He chose poorly. For Cossa, college is the ECHL.

Horcoff quote on good shooters in the E... come on now.

What winning AHL record? He was 18-15-5. That means he lost 20 times to 18 wins. Technically 22 losses to 18 wins if you include his impression of a sieve in the playoffs giving with a sub-.900 save percentage giving up 7 goals in 2 games.

This isn't fair to Wallstedt and this discourse is toxic, but this is the same way people criticized Cossa early in the year. The thing that we can point to for Cossa is that since February, his numbers show significant growth where Wallstedt's do not. Wallstedt stalled out and his numbers even regressed.

Since Feb (including playoffs), Wallstedt went 6-12 with a 0.899 save percentage allowing 2.89 goals per game. Cossa went 18-8 with a 0.929 allowing 2.12 goals per game. Different leagues, and I understand that dynamic, but carries some relevance nonetheless.

The real story will be next year. Wallstedt has a full year in Iowa under his belt which should build his confidence and give him plenty to work on. Cossa has a year of pro hockey now and a lot of late season confidence and momentum that he will carry into offseason training and bring to GR.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Horrible example to prove your point. Markstrom took a long time to develop after the draft but was an elite athlete that was massive. Mcollum was the more technically sound, less upside goalie.

That situation right there is exactly why people should relax on the Wallstedt love. Hes not even playing on some different level than Cossa as is

It was a tongue in cheek comment meant as a joke.

 

[PostFriend]

What winning AHL record? He was 18-15-5. That means he lost 20 times to 18 wins. Technically 22 losses to 18 wins if you include his impression of a sieve in the playoffs giving with a sub-.900 save percentage giving up 7 goals in 2 games.

This isn't fair to Wallstedt and this discourse is toxic, but this is the same way people criticized Cossa early in the year. The thing that we can point to for Cossa is that since February, his numbers show significant growth where Wallstedt's do not. Wallstedt stalled out and his numbers even regressed.

Since Feb (including playoffs), Wallstedt went 6-12 with a 0.899 save percentage allowing 2.89 goals per game. Cossa went 18-8 with a 0.929 allowing 2.12 goals per game. Different leagues, and I understand that dynamic, but carries some relevance nonetheless.

The real story will be next year. Wallstedt has a full year in Iowa under his belt which should build his confidence and give him plenty to work on. Cossa has a year of pro hockey now and a lot of late season confidence and momentum that he will carry into offseason training and bring to GR.

It's all about stats, right?

 

[norrisnick]

It's all about stats, right?

Is Dustin Wolf somehow magically not a prospect?

 

[Hen Kolland]

It's all about stats, right?

Naturally someone was bound to take the post out of context and get butthurt about it.

I didn’t say that Wallstedt was bad. In the second half of the year, he was stagnant and his statistics regressed compared to where he started. But I didn’t say he was bad.

I was using that to illustrate the growth that Cossa displayed in the second half of the year. A significant improvement from the start of his year.

Wallstedt performed better than Cossa early. Cossa performed better than Wallstedt late. This is pretty non-negotiable. It doesn’t mean anything in terms of who is better today or who is better in 10 years.

Nothing has changed between the two since their draft year in terms of who is the better prospect. Jesper is still more technically refined and established, and Cossa is a more gifted athlete, a bigger physical presence, but behind his peers in precision.

Cossa by all accounts worked his ass off in becoming more refined and altering his style to limit some of the reliance on high wire acts. I’m sure Wallstedt is working on his explosiveness and further honing his craft.

At the end of this year, there’s little to separate them. Whoever you liked at the start is probably who you like now.

 

[jaster]

Naturally someone was bound to take the post out of context and get butthurt about it.

I didn’t say that Wallstedt was bad. In the second half of the year, he was stagnant and his statistics regressed compared to where he started. But I didn’t say he was bad.

I was using that to illustrate the growth that Cossa displayed in the second half of the year. A significant improvement from the start of his year.

Wallstedt performed better than Cossa early. Cossa performed better than Wallstedt late. This is pretty non-negotiable. It doesn’t mean anything in terms of who is better today or who is better in 10 years.

Nothing has changed between the two since their draft year in terms of who is the better prospect. Jesper is still more technically refined and established, and Cossa is a more gifted athlete, a bigger physical presence, but behind his peers in precision.

Cossa by all accounts worked his ass off in becoming more refined and altering his style to limit some of the reliance on high wire acts. I’m sure Wallstedt is working on his explosiveness and further honing his craft.

At the end of this year, there’s little to separate them. Whoever you liked at the start is probably who you like now.

You [enter goalie I like best here] haters are so annoying!

 

[norrisnick]

You [enter goalie I like best here] haters are so annoying!

no u!

The Hasek trade was superfluous....

 

[heyfolks]

What winning AHL record? He was 18-15-5. That means he lost 20 times to 18 wins. Technically 22 losses to 18 wins if you include his impression of a sieve in the playoffs giving with a sub-.900 save percentage giving up 7 goals in 2 games.

This isn't fair to Wallstedt and this discourse is toxic, but this is the same way people criticized Cossa early in the year. The thing that we can point to for Cossa is that since February, his numbers show significant growth where Wallstedt's do not. Wallstedt stalled out and his numbers even regressed.

Since Feb (including playoffs), Wallstedt went 6-12 with a 0.899 save percentage allowing 2.89 goals per game. Cossa went 18-8 with a 0.929 allowing 2.12 goals per game. Different leagues, and I understand that dynamic, but carries some relevance nonetheless.

The real story will be next year. Wallstedt has a full year in Iowa under his belt which should build his confidence and give him plenty to work on. Cossa has a year of pro hockey now and a lot of late season confidence and momentum that he will carry into offseason training and bring to GR.

My sole point was, as of today, the numbes indicate the better selection was Wallstedt. Redraft discussons occur routinely. I am less concerned about his development than his play in big games. He was yanked in the playoffs in the ECHL (after being ahead 1-0). He didn't earn a chance to even be in net at both World Juniors he attended. He had the opportunity to showcase himself in several games with GR, and performed poorly.

That's all. I want the kid to be the next great Wings goalie, but I am sticking with they pick another one in this upcoming draft.

 

[Hen Kolland]

My sole point was, as of today, the numbes indicate the better selection was Wallstedt. Redraft discussons occur routinely. I am less concerned about his development than his play in big games. He was yanked in the playoffs in the ECHL (after being ahead 1-0). He didn't earn a chance to even be in net at both World Juniors he attended. He had the opportunity to showcase himself in several games with GR, and performed poorly.

That's all. I want the kid to be the next great Wings goalie, but I am sticking with they pick another one in this upcoming draft.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. Wallstedt's numbers indicate that he was better? They really don't suggest that unless you are comparing Wallstedt's entire season to Cossa's 3 game sample size in Grand Rapids. Hardly a confident conclusion that can be made there. More concerned with Cossa's play in big games than development? Ah, so Cossa's playoff performance of 5-2 with a 2.32 GAA and a 0.917 save percentage is concerning, but Wallstedt's 0-2 record with a 3.35 GAA and a 0.897 save percentage isn't concerning.

It would probably do some good to stop trying to make an argument between these two players because we simply don't have enough information.

As for the notion that they take one in this draft, they have 10 picks, so it really shouldn't shock anyone if they used a mid or late round pick on a goalie prospect. But that has very little to do with Cossa and has more to do with managing the pipeline of talent and continuing to draft and develop to give options.

 

[The Zermanator]

My sole point was, as of today, the numbes indicate the better selection was Wallstedt. Redraft discussons occur routinely. I am less concerned about his development than his play in big games. He was yanked in the playoffs in the ECHL (after being ahead 1-0). He didn't earn a chance to even be in net at both World Juniors he attended. He had the opportunity to showcase himself in several games with GR, and performed poorly.

That's all. I want the kid to be the next great Wings goalie, but I am sticking with they pick another one in this upcoming draft.

Their numbers won't mean anything when they eventually suit up for the NHL, what matters in the end is what NHL goalies they turn into. Considering neither of them has suited up for a single NHL game yet, much less enough games to get an idea of what they are, the jury is 100% out on them for the time being. They both had good seasons, you can't knock either one of them. For the moment, the only real answer to the question of who was the better pick is 'inconclusive'.

 

[ricky0034]

it's pretty silly to even compare a Goalie prospect coming straight out of Juniors to one with multiple years of Pro experience anyways to be honest

lets see what they do next year on a more even footing

 

[Crunchy]

My sole point was, as of today, the numbes indicate the better selection was Wallstedt. Redraft discussons occur routinely. I am less concerned about his development than his play in big games. He was yanked in the playoffs in the ECHL (after being ahead 1-0). He didn't earn a chance to even be in net at both World Juniors he attended. He had the opportunity to showcase himself in several games with GR, and performed poorly.

That's all. I want the kid to be the next great Wings goalie, but I am sticking with they pick another one in this upcoming draft.

Most here are fully aware that Wallstedt is further ahead on his development curve and is more of a sure thing. But picking even an NHL-average goalie in the first round is a wasted draft pick, they drafted Cossa for ceiling. Your argument of "player A is better than player B right now and therefore is the better draft pick" is devoid of the nuances of drafting/player development.

 

[Murmansk16A]

Marco has evidently joined the Swedish Navy. Or the Austrian Navy.

Rögle BK

@roglebk

Marco Kasper graduation (studenten) post Congratulations

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Marco has evidently joined the Swedish Navy. Or the Austrian Navy.

Rögle BK
@roglebk

Marco Kasper graduation (studenten) post Congratulations

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Are those jaegermeister bottles around his neck?