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Winging It in Motown: Detroit Red Wings and the Media

So beat writers are lazy. Found it funny that St. James was the one marked at the one who would survive in a nastier market, considering her pieces seem the most hacked together.
 
great article. do we miss bruce macleod or what?

instead we're stuck with the useless writers and a man-child blogger.
 
I've always wondered what Mickey Redmond really thinks. At points last season it seemed like he was really straining not to just unleash. You could hear the veiled criticism trying to expose itself but him professionally holding it back. I think he sees a team he loves falling behind and doesn't like it.

Or maybe I'm making stuff up in my mind.
 
Flowah said:
I've always wondered what Mickey Redmond really thinks. At points last season it seemed like he was really straining not to just unleash. You could hear the veiled criticism trying to expose itself but him professionally holding it back. I think he sees a team he loves falling behind and doesn't like it.

Or maybe I'm making stuff up in my mind.
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I heard an interview after the season where he was pretty honest. Said players like Cleary, Sammy, Bert etc would all be gone for sure. Also don't be surprised if Quincey is back.
 
Every part of that article sounds very plausible.

The only surprising part was in relation to how Holland and Babcock treat the media. If they are so open and willing to talk to the media, why is it that they seem MIA since Quincey was signed? Is it because HSJ and her crew of flunkies don't want to make Holland look bad? It sounds like a cult and the beat writers are just feeding Holland+Babcock's ego.

Even if those writers do question the awful moves made over the past five years, they just look back at the past Stanley Cup's and give them a free pass. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the Red Wings are ever going to run out of free passes, and the writers will continue to tow the company line, or try to write as little as possible when a bad move is made.

I do not get my news or opinions on the Red Wings from FREEP or Mlive. HFBoards is where i go when i want to get real news/opinions on the Wings.
 
Personally, I thought this article was god-awful. I really struggled to get through it.

1. When you base an entire article on quotes from a number of "unnamed sources", those quotes hold very little value. You quote a "former team employee"? You mean the kid who was an usher one summer in 2004 as an internship? (This is way too prevalent in all of sports "journalism")

2. When you space out 30 different paragraph length quotes without saying who they are from (we already established we don't get names. But which quotes are from Unnamed Source #1, and which quotes are from unnamed source #9?). I can't gather what any of these people's full opinions are when you just start throwing quotes in randomly

3. The entire article is about calling people for not giving a negative opinion. Then, is filled with unnamed sources, people who are afraid to give their negative opinion.

4. The one relevant person he talked to, Ansar Khan, gave a great answer. It's his job to report the news, not give an opinion on it. It's not like he's calling the signings great, he just reports the fact that they happened.

5. The whole article gathers information on how there is no evidence the Red Wings organization threatens people in any way. Then the closing paragraphs he throws a hissy-fit about how the organization bullies people into spreading propaganda less they be fired.


Go to the news outlets for news. Come to places like this message board for opinions
 
Yeah... I was looking forward to this post after reading about it on Twitter yesterday but I'm unimpressed.
 
WingedWheel1987 said:
Every part of that article sounds very plausible.

The only surprising part was in relation to how Holland and Babcock treat the media. If they are so open and willing to talk to the media, why is it that they seem MIA since Quincey was signed? Is it because HSJ and her crew of flunkies don't want to make Holland look bad? It sounds like a cult and the beat writers are just feeding Holland+Babcock's ego.

Even if those writers do question the awful moves made over the past five years, they just look back at the past Stanley Cup's and give them a free pass. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the Red Wings are ever going to run out of free passes, and the writers will continue to tow the company line, or try to write as little as possible when a bad move is made.

I do not get my news or opinions on the Red Wings from FREEP or Mlive. HFBoards is where i go when i want to get real news/opinions on the Wings.
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i don't believe that will be the case. as long as they keep making the playoffs, i think they do get a free pass. what is somewhat deserving.

but if they start missing them and arena will be like half full, there will be changes, as speculated in the article.
 
Frk It said:
Might as well be a robot.
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It's kind of subtle, but it's interesting to see the differences between AK's reporting and HSJ's. They often disagree, although AK is usually pretty quiet about it. That's one thing about AK: he knows when to keep his mouth shut. Somebody asked him his opinion of Cleary's signing and he gave them the organization's opinion instead. Smart guy.
 
Frk It said:
Might as well be a robot.
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At least Khan isn't constantly finding new angles to defend the team á la HSJ, and he's interactive with readers in the comment section + Q & A pieces. Khan rather keeps quiet, always something. He's keeping own thoughts to a minimum and he's being honest about it. That's OK.
 
WingedWheel1987 said:
Every part of that article sounds very plausible.

The only surprising part was in relation to how Holland and Babcock treat the media. If they are so open and willing to talk to the media, why is it that they seem MIA since Quincey was signed? Is it because HSJ and her crew of flunkies don't want to make Holland look bad? It sounds like a cult and the beat writers are just feeding Holland+Babcock's ego.

Even if those writers do question the awful moves made over the past five years, they just look back at the past Stanley Cup's and give them a free pass. Unfortunately it doesn't look like the Red Wings are ever going to run out of free passes, and the writers will continue to tow the company line, or try to write as little as possible when a bad move is made.

I do not get my news or opinions on the Red Wings from FREEP or Mlive. HFBoards is where i go when i want to get real news/opinions on the Wings.
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Probably because they've got 2 months off between long seasons so they're on vacation right now.
 
Guru Meditation said:
Somebody asked him his opinion of Cleary's signing and he gave them the organization's opinion instead. Smart guy.
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Those kind of things infuriate me, personally.

Why have a Q & A segment when you can't even give your own opinions?

I guess it's mostly personal preference. That type of journalism is unappealing to me.
 
Frk It said:
Those kind of things infuriate me, personally.

Why have a Q & A segment when you can't even give your own opinions?

I guess it's mostly personal preference. That type of journalism is unappealing to me.
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I think a lot of it is that he doesn't want to insult the guy in the press. If you don't have anything nice to say, etc. Plus, I bet he's confident that Cleary will make it obvious on the ice.

I think he considers himself more of a journalist and less of a pundit. HSJ is probably the opposite.
 
WingedWheel1987 said:
Holland has been on vacation for five years. It won't kill him if he goes back to work for a couple days in July.
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That's just hyperbole and you know it. As unhappy as we are (myself included) with Holland's decision-making in recent years he still gets up and works every day and spends half of a very long season living out of hotels. The man is human, let him have his vacation.
 
I was not really impressed. It all appeared to be finger pointing everywhere. We didn't really solve the question that we asked to begin with, which is kind of poor.
 
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