Proposal: Win/Ott

TrevSens

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To Ottawa:
Trouba
2019 first round pick

To Winnipeg:
Stone
Ceci

Helps Winnipeg with a rental of stone. Helps Ottawa improve Defense moving forward. Winnipeg unlikely to resign Trouba anyway due to cap issues. Winnipeg goes for it this year. Fresh start for Ceci who is an under rated player in here anyway.

Flame away!
 

Maukkis

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What are you paying to get rid of Ceci?

You could make this quite close to even by removing Trouba. That is how bad a deal you have put together.
 
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TheNewEra

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Value is about right but if Ottawa can't afford to pay stone we definitely can't pay trouba who if I am remembering correctly was negotiating to earn every dollar possible with his last contract
 
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Maukkis

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Value is about right but if Ottawa can't afford to pay stone we definitely can't pay trouba who if I am remembering correctly was negotiating to earn every dollar possible with his last contract
How is this close? Trouba is under team control, Stone is not. Ceci negates much of the value Stone has as a rental, and the Jets are somehow the ones who add?
 
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TrevSens

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How is this close? Trouba is under team control, Stone is not. Ceci negates much of the value Stone has as a rental, and the Jets are somehow the ones who add?
You think Ceci is worth less than nothing? Theres you're problem. I think Ceci will return likely a first or second round pick at worst. Good player, needs a fresh start. Might be a cheaper option for the jets to lock up longer term to replace Trouba. Stone is a clear rental, and those arent free either!! Sens need to build for the future
 

Maukkis

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You think Ceci is worth less than nothing? Theres you're problem. I think Ceci will return likely a first or second round pick at worst. Good player, needs a fresh start. Might be a cheaper option for the jets to lock up longer term to replace Trouba. Stone is a clear rental, and those arent free either!! Sens need to build for the future
You can easily make a logical, fact-based, and objective argument for Ceci being one of the absolute worst players in the entire league. He has not demonstrated anything close to good NHL level play. If you want to make the argument that he is used for a role he is not suited for, Trouba is succeeding in that same role in Winnipeg.

He is supposed to be cheaper than Trouba long-term, seeing as he has been below NHL caliber for quite some time now. As for Stone, his value is hindered by his approaching UFA status. Three months of Stone are not worth much, from an objective standpoint.

Build towards the future at the expense of someone else.
 

DingDongCharlie

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Jesus Murphy, Trouba is worth far more than Stone as a rental. Even with an extension for Stone a #1 defenceman holds more value than a star winger.
 
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TrevSens

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You can easily make a logical, fact-based, and objective argument for Ceci being one of the absolute worst players in the entire league. He has not demonstrated anything close to good NHL level play. If you want to make the argument that he is used for a role he is not suited for, Trouba is succeeding in that same role in Winnipeg.

He is supposed to be cheaper than Trouba long-term, seeing as he has been below NHL caliber for quite some time now. As for Stone, his value is hindered by his approaching UFA status. Three months of Stone are not worth much, from an objective standpoint.

Build towards the future at the expense of someone else.

Ya 3 months of Stastny last year is worth a 1st, a 4th and a prospect and 3 months of Stone is "not worth much" ... LMAO. Ceci might be having a bad year but hes played 400ish games in the league and he will be a better player in a new market again. He is worth way more than nothing as you imply here.
 

Maukkis

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Ya 3 months of Stastny last year is worth a 1st, a 4th and a prospect and 3 months of Stone is "not worth much" ... LMAO. Ceci might be having a bad year but hes played 400ish games in the league and he will be a better player in a new market again. He is worth way more than nothing as you imply here.
Stastny was not worth it, either.

Ceci has negative value. Nothing about his track record will entice any competent GM to buy.
 

SwissGuy

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Let break this proposal down.

2019 first round ~= stone
So that means,

Trouba = Ceci?

C’mon man..
 

Cynick

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How much do you really think a stone rental is going to net you. Guaranteed the main piece is first round pick.

My guess would be a 1st, a conditional 2nd pick (either something like Stone resigns or the team makes the Cup finals/wins Cup), and one of a team's top 5 prospects (not a blue-chipper but a notch or two down from that). There are a couple examples of this type of return for deadline rentals of players that aren't as good as Stone in the last few years.
 

Daximus

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If we don't sign Trouba it's because he wants out and by all accounts Ottawa isn't a preferred destination.
 

Daximus

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Stone probably returns a 1st, high end prospect or a 1st and some quality mid tier prospects. Potentially some conditions attached to both sides such as a Cup win or re-sign netting additional assets.
 

DJB

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To Ottawa:
Trouba
2019 first round pick

To Winnipeg:
Stone
Ceci

Helps Winnipeg with a rental of stone. Helps Ottawa improve Defense moving forward. Winnipeg unlikely to resign Trouba anyway due to cap issues. Winnipeg goes for it this year. Fresh start for Ceci who is an under rated player in here anyway.

Flame away!

Not going to happen. We have no money to sign Duchene and Stone but somehow we have cash for Trouba ?
 

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