Will McDavid be the 3rd, 4th, or 5th fastest player to 1000 Points?

[BlueBull]

Connor McDavid: 890 Points in 594 GP.

Fastest to 1000:
#3 Mike Bossy: Reached 1000 Points in 656 GP.
#4 Peter Stastny: Reached 1000 Points in 682 GP.
#5 Jarri Kurri: Reached 1000 Points in 716 GP. (99% Guaranteed)

Will he beat Bossy and/or Stastny? Let's Discuss.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Went with the safe vote at 4 , hope he can do it before bossy would be a great accomplishment for him

 

[amnesiac]

Ill say 3rd.... whatever the case: Bossy, Stastny, and Kurri all reached it playing in a much higher scoring era.

 

[BlueBull]

Ill say 3rd.... whatever the case: Bossy, Stastny, and Kurri all reached it playing in a much higher scoring era.

How do you evaluate Bossy anyway?

I feel like he's somewhere inbetween guys like Gretzky and Lemieux, who would be elite no matter what era they played in, and players like Stastny, who were definitely a product of a high scoring league. (Not saying he's as good as McDavid, just curious.)

 

[Video Nasty]

Like with most of these topics, I’m marveling that it is something that could realistically happen. Maybe he falls just short of 3rd quickest to 1000, but 4th is almost all but assured.

For fun, if he scores 10 points in his next 4 games, he’ll beat Stastny for 4th quickest to 900 points.

Starting with 1100 points onward, he’s only going to be behind the pace of Gretzky and Lemieux.

 

[blundluntman]

110 in 60 is actually very doable given the tear he's been on the last 2 1/2 years. I'm gonna bet on him beating Bossy.

 

[amnesiac]

How do you evaluate Bossy anyway?

I feel like he's somewhere inbetween guys like Gretzky and Lemieux, who would be elite no matter what era they played in, and players like Stastny, who were definitely a product of a high scoring league. (Not saying he's as good as McDavid, just curious.)

hes still one of the greatest players and goalscorers ever, no doubt, but his numbers are indeed very inflated, not only because of the high scoring era, but also having only played 752 career games makes his GPG/PPG averages look much higher than what they would have been.

On an all-time list I have him slightly behind the likes of say: Sakic, Yzerman, and Trottier

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Mike Bossy's top-10 point finishes are:

2, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6

I think that stat line pretty much encapsulates him as a player - one of the best, but never quite the best.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

To borrow from @Vujtek 's work:

100 points
1. Newsy Lalonde 51 GP
2. Joe Malone 51
3. Frank Nighbor 57
4. Wayne Gretzky 61
5. Cy Denneny 67
6. Teemu Selänne 68
7. Peter Stastny 73
8. Mario Lemieux 73
9. Babe Dye 74
10. Bill Mosienko 74
(McDavid - 92)

200 points
1. Wayne Gretzky 117
2. Mario Lemieux 128
3. Cy Denneny 130
4. Peter Stastny 131
5. Babe Dye 142
6. Sidney Crosby 142
7. Mike Bossy 143
8. Teemu Selänne 144
9. Mike Rogers 146
10. Eric Lindros 146
(McDavid - 173)

300 points
1. Wayne Gretzky 159
2. Peter Stastny 186
3. Mario Lemieux 186
4. Cy Denneny 210
4. Eric Lindros 210
6. Kent Nilsson 215
7. Sidney Crosby 219
8. Mike Bossy 221
9. Denis Savard 224
10. Teemu Selänne 227
(McDavid - 240)

400 points
1. Wayne Gretzky 197
2. Mario Lemieux 240
3. Peter Stastny 247
4. Eric Lindros 277
5. Mike Bossy 283
6. Sidney Crosby 292
7. Bryan Trottier 296
8. Kent Nilsson 298
9. Denis Savard 300
9. Jari Kurri 300
(McDavid - 306)

500 points
1. Wayne Gretzky 234
2. Mario Lemieux 287
3. Peter Stastny 322
4. Mike Bossy 349
5. Eric Lindros 352
6. Jari Kurri 356
7. Bryan Trottier 362
8. Connor McDavid 369
8. Sidney Crosby 369
10. Kent Nilsson 372

600 points
1. Wayne Gretzky 274
2. Mario Lemieux 323
3. Peter Stastny 394
4. Mike Bossy 400
5. Jari Kurri 419
6. Connor McDavid 421
7. Eric Lindros 429
8. Sidney Crosby 430
9. Bryan Trottier 435
10. Denis Savard 444

700 points
1. Wayne Gretzky 317
2. Mario Lemieux 363
3. Peter Stastny 457
4. Mike Bossy 469
5. Jari Kurri 483
6. Connor McDavid 488
7. Sidney Crosby 497
8. Bryan Trottier 506
9. Bobby Orr 518
10. Steve Yzerman 519

800 points
1. Wayne Gretzky 352
2. Mario Lemieux 410
3. Mike Bossy 525
4. Peter Stastny 531
5. Connor McDavid 546
6. Jari Kurri 558
7. Sidney Crosby 571
8. Bobby Orr 575
9. Bryan Trottier 580
10. Denis Savard 581

900 points
1. Wayne Gretzky 385
2. Mario Lemieux 463
3. Mike Bossy 582
4. Peter Stastny 599
5. Jari Kurri 632
6. Bobby Orr 638
7. Denis Savard 647
8. Guy Lafleur 649
9. Bryan Trottier 651
10. Steve Yzerman 673
(McDavid - TBD, currently 10 points away at 594 games)

None of this, of course, is adjusted for era. McDavid would look even better on many of these lists. (For example, on the 700 points list, McDavid - and probably Crosby too - would pass Kurri, Bossy and Stastny with any reasonable adjustment for the scoring environment).

(In the original thread, @Boxscore noted how good Lindros looks based on these tables. Though, in comparison to McDavid, he played in a somewhat higher scoring era, especially right at the start of their careers).

 

[Albatros]

Lindros looks based on these tables. Though, in comparison to McDavid, he played in a somewhat higher scoring era, especially right at the start of their careers).

After season two lower, and by season six substantially so.

 

[TheStatican]

Mike Bossy's top-10 point finishes are:

2, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6

I think that stat line pretty much encapsulates him as a player - one of the best, but never quite the best.

In fairness to Bossy he did play nearly his entire career under the shadow of Gretzky. Without the outliner of all outliners, Bossy's scoring finishes would be 1,3,3,4,4,4,5,6 quite impressive considering he only played 10 years. A scoring title, 7 top 5 finishes and 5 retro-rockets... Arguably no other players legacy has been hurt more by Gretzky than Bossy. I'm not saying that would put him above McDavid, hardly. But it's a much stronger resume than he ended up with through no fault of his own.

 

[Video Nasty]

In fairness to Bossy he did play nearly his entire career under the shadow of Gretzky. Without the outliner of all outliners, Bossy's scoring finishes would be 1,3,3,4,4,4,5,6 quite impressive considering he only played 10 years. A scoring title, 7 top 5 finishes and 5 retro-rockets... Arguably no other players legacy has been hurt more by Gretzky than Bossy. I'm not saying that would put him above McDavid, hardly. But it's a much stronger resume than he ended up with through no fault of his own.

And that’s not even including the effect Gretzky had on Kurri and Coffey, who Bossy also finished behind for a few seasons. Assuming everything stays this same (already extremely realistic, but I understand the spirit of it), one of those fourth place finishes likely becomes a third, a fifth becomes a third, and another fourth becomes a second (behind Mario).

 

[TheStatican]

And that’s not even including the effect Gretzky had on Kurri and Coffey, who Bossy also finished behind for a few seasons. Assuming everything stays this same (already extremely realistic, but I understand the spirit of it), one of those fourth place finishes likely becomes a third, a fifth becomes a third, and another fourth becomes a second (behind Mario).

Good point, that would have hypothetically further raised his scoring finishes to 1,2,3,3,3,3,4,6 But perhaps even more importantly than that, the Islanders in all likelihood would have been 5-time Stanley cup champions and almost universallly be considered as being the greatest dynasty of all time rather than being placed behind(by most) the Habs or Oilers teams before and after them.

 

[Video Nasty]

Good point, that would have hypothetically further raised his scoring finishes to 1,2,3,3,3,3,4,6 But perhaps even more importantly than that, the Islanders in all likelihood would have been 5-time Stanley cup champions and almost universallly be considered as being the greatest dynasty of all time rather than being placed behind(by most) the Habs or Oilers teams before and after them.

Further good points. Ultimately, it’s why I don’t like playing the what if game too much, because countless things change; some easily accounted for like we’ve both brought up and some we can never know.