Will Corey Perry make it into the HHOF?
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JaegerDice
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He will definitely get in due to the Hart win and all the championships, but not first ballot. I dont necessarily think it needs to be a weak year though.
Voight
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He is the only guy aside from Niedermayer to literally win everything.
Plus he has some elite seasons that came with recognition + hardware.
Plus he has some elite seasons that came with recognition + hardware.
No.
I think the biggest issue with him is his really stark offensive decline. After age 28 - his offense took a nose dive. I know he's still a useful player, but I think this hurts him in the end. He certainly won't be reaching any of the career milestones HHOF usually care about, like 500 goals or 1000 points for example. He may not even reach 400 goals.
His career average paces out to ~60 points per 82 games. Some other borderline HHOF players from same era:
Getzlaf - ~73 points per 82 games
Backstrom - ~79 points per 82 games
Giroux - ~74 points per 82 games
Tavares - ~77 points per 82 games
Stamkos - ~85 points per 82 games
Bergeron - ~66 points per 82 games
The hart is nice, but not enough. His offense is simply not up to par.
He's even behind Zach Parise (61 points per 82 games) and Thomas Vanek (63 points per 82 games) from the same draft year for offense, two players who are nowhere near the hall of fame.
I think the biggest issue with him is his really stark offensive decline. After age 28 - his offense took a nose dive. I know he's still a useful player, but I think this hurts him in the end. He certainly won't be reaching any of the career milestones HHOF usually care about, like 500 goals or 1000 points for example. He may not even reach 400 goals.
His career average paces out to ~60 points per 82 games. Some other borderline HHOF players from same era:
Getzlaf - ~73 points per 82 games
Backstrom - ~79 points per 82 games
Giroux - ~74 points per 82 games
Tavares - ~77 points per 82 games
Stamkos - ~85 points per 82 games
Bergeron - ~66 points per 82 games
The hart is nice, but not enough. His offense is simply not up to par.
He's even behind Zach Parise (61 points per 82 games) and Thomas Vanek (63 points per 82 games) from the same draft year for offense, two players who are nowhere near the hall of fame.
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Yes. Hart, rocket, 2x 1st AST, 5x top 10 goals, cup, Olympic gold, WHC, WJC, WCH, memorial cup. People need to stop pretending like getting into the HoF is some super hard achievement. Guys like Andreychuk, Carbonneau and Housley are in the HoF. It's a joke.
Boreal01
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Numerous individual accolades and has won gold at every international level
His reputation as an agitator and occasional dirty player has caused people to sour on him over the years so there's undoubtedly quite a few people who believe he should get in but simply don't want him to so they vote "maybe" or "no"
The same situation will occur with Marchand
Numerous individual accolades and has won gold at every international level
His reputation as an agitator and occasional dirty player has caused people to sour on him over the years so there's undoubtedly quite a few people who believe he should get in but simply don't want him to so they vote "maybe" or "no"
The same situation will occur with Marchand
JaegerDice
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Marchard doesnt have the individual or international team hardware (on top of the cup win each) that Perry does. Marchand currently has a tougher case for hhof than Perry
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Here's how Perry stacks up against six of his peers (stats are from 2006 to 2022 through today):
All three of Kessel, Spezza and Pavelski have more points and more points per game than Perry. All three of them scored more per game in the playoffs as well (Spezza at 0.82 PPG, Kessel at 0.84 PPG, and Pavelski at 0.74 - Perry is at 0.65 ppg). Perry has fewer years as top twenty scorer (3) than any of these three players (Kessel has 5, Spezza has 4, Pavelski ties him with 3). Granted, there's more to hockey than offensive stats, and maybe Perry gets some extra credit for being a power forward, but it's not exactly a compelling start for his HOF case (besides, Pavelski is a far better two-way player).
Statistically, Parise and Perry are very similar. 19 points in 43 games separate them in the regular season. Parise also scored more per game in the playoffs (0.76), though Perry maintained that over a larger number of games. Perry has one extra year as a top 20 scorer (3-2).
Wheeler is more of a playmaker, but he's only 14 points behind Perry. Think he'll catch up over the next 132 games? He also has more years as a top 20 scorer (5-3). They scored at the same rate in the postseason (0.65 ppg), though Perry maintained that for much longer.
Marleau will (probably) get a spot in the Hall due to his freakish longevity (which isn't captured in this chart), and therefore he isn't a good comparable. (Perry, at least as of now, isn't anywhere close to Marleau's totals for games played, goals, or points).
Hardly anyone considers any of these players Hall of Famers (except Marleau, but like I said, that's for his freakish longevity). Perry hasn't separated himself from any of the others (and in fact, is behind many of them) in points, points per game, playoff points per game, and years as a top 20 scorer. He would be one of the weakest forwards in the Hall of Fame.
All that being said - I think it's highly likely (90%+) that he's inducted. The Hall of Fame voters, as far as we can tell, don't do deep dives like this. They'll see his Hart trophy, Stanley Cup, and two Olympic goals(*), and that will be enough.
(*) Good for Perry for accomplishing these things, but a deeper dive shows that it isn't nearly as impressive it looks. Perry won the Hart, but he was fortunate that during what was by far the best year of his career, all the other top players had off years (Crosby missed half the year, Ovechkin had his weird two-year slump, Malkin missed half the season, Kane wasn't a superstar yet, Datsyuk missed 30 games, etc). When the Ducks won the Cup, he was around the 6th to 8th best player on the team - a solid contributor, but not like he led them to the victory. As for the Olympics, he was pretty obviously a minor contributor to the 2014 team. On the 2010 team, his stats look pretty good (4 goals and an assist in 7 games) unless you remember that 3 of his 4 goals were running up the score in blowout games. Believe it or not, I have nothing against Perry, just that his resume isn't nearly as good as it appears at first glance.
All three of Kessel, Spezza and Pavelski have more points and more points per game than Perry. All three of them scored more per game in the playoffs as well (Spezza at 0.82 PPG, Kessel at 0.84 PPG, and Pavelski at 0.74 - Perry is at 0.65 ppg). Perry has fewer years as top twenty scorer (3) than any of these three players (Kessel has 5, Spezza has 4, Pavelski ties him with 3). Granted, there's more to hockey than offensive stats, and maybe Perry gets some extra credit for being a power forward, but it's not exactly a compelling start for his HOF case (besides, Pavelski is a far better two-way player).
Statistically, Parise and Perry are very similar. 19 points in 43 games separate them in the regular season. Parise also scored more per game in the playoffs (0.76), though Perry maintained that over a larger number of games. Perry has one extra year as a top 20 scorer (3-2).
Wheeler is more of a playmaker, but he's only 14 points behind Perry. Think he'll catch up over the next 132 games? He also has more years as a top 20 scorer (5-3). They scored at the same rate in the postseason (0.65 ppg), though Perry maintained that for much longer.
Marleau will (probably) get a spot in the Hall due to his freakish longevity (which isn't captured in this chart), and therefore he isn't a good comparable. (Perry, at least as of now, isn't anywhere close to Marleau's totals for games played, goals, or points).
Hardly anyone considers any of these players Hall of Famers (except Marleau, but like I said, that's for his freakish longevity). Perry hasn't separated himself from any of the others (and in fact, is behind many of them) in points, points per game, playoff points per game, and years as a top 20 scorer. He would be one of the weakest forwards in the Hall of Fame.
All that being said - I think it's highly likely (90%+) that he's inducted. The Hall of Fame voters, as far as we can tell, don't do deep dives like this. They'll see his Hart trophy, Stanley Cup, and two Olympic goals(*), and that will be enough.
(*) Good for Perry for accomplishing these things, but a deeper dive shows that it isn't nearly as impressive it looks. Perry won the Hart, but he was fortunate that during what was by far the best year of his career, all the other top players had off years (Crosby missed half the year, Ovechkin had his weird two-year slump, Malkin missed half the season, Kane wasn't a superstar yet, Datsyuk missed 30 games, etc). When the Ducks won the Cup, he was around the 6th to 8th best player on the team - a solid contributor, but not like he led them to the victory. As for the Olympics, he was pretty obviously a minor contributor to the 2014 team. On the 2010 team, his stats look pretty good (4 goals and an assist in 7 games) unless you remember that 3 of his 4 goals were running up the score in blowout games. Believe it or not, I have nothing against Perry, just that his resume isn't nearly as good as it appears at first glance.
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theres no chance he deserves to get in that's for sure.... just like Jamie benn.. I'd put kris letang in before both... as a matter in fact ,if those 2 get in kris letang is a 1st ballot hofer
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Voight
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Some elite seasons?
He has one elite season.
He has a decent prime but it's also a bit inconsistent as well.
Really is his resume any better than Markus Naslund who has a much better peak?
Hall of the very good and that's it.
BigBadBruins7708
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They both have 1 elite and 1 great season.
Perry:
2011:
1st in goals, 3rd in points, Hart AS-1
2014:
2nd in goals, 5th in points, AS-1
Theodore:
2001:
1st in sv%, 4th in GAA, Vezina, Hart, AS-1
2000:
2nd in sv%, 3rd in GAA
Point being they're both a flash in the pan that proves not all Hart winners are hall of famers
winning is due to team and not individual,why do people find this so hard to comprehend. McDrai should have several cups by now. It is possible Mcdavid may never win a cup. So are you saying if this is the case Perry gets in and M cdavid doesn't
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I mean if he doesn't you should be keeping guys like Toews, Kopitar, Staal, Getzlaf out...and we know they are getting in.
He has the individual success, he has the team success...he kn
He has the individual success, he has the team success...he kn
He did have a very high one season peak - but he's had a less successful offensive prime than guys like Parise and Vanek in terms of consistent offense. And I trust you don't think either of those 2 are anywhere near HHOF?
Team success is important but not enough. Simply put - his prime is nowhere near high end enough
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I bet he does. Hart Trophy, Stanley Cup, Rocket Richard, a shit load of GPs and Pts. He should get in. If not first ballot, then eventually yes. It's not even a maybe, it's a yes. But there is no option between 1st ballot and maybe? I voted "maybe" but that's just the poll.
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Dude has literally won in every single competition hes played in. Stanley Cup, Olympics, World Juniors, WHC and Mem Cup.
There is about 400 players who have played 1000 games or more in NHL history. That in itself is an accomplishment.
To say he doesn't deserve a shot or isnt close is foolish.
Plenty of players have gone in with far less impressive accolades.
There is about 400 players who have played 1000 games or more in NHL history. That in itself is an accomplishment.
To say he doesn't deserve a shot or isnt close is foolish.
Plenty of players have gone in with far less impressive accolades.
tarheelhockey
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I don't see it. He had the one really relevant season, plus one other where he hit 43 goals and exactly 82 points. Outside of that he was never a particularly relevant player leaguewide. He'll hit 400 goals but fall short of 1000 points, which is territory shared with guys like Tony Amonte and Marian Gaborik.
For him to get in, you'd have to put an awful lot of weight on the 2010 Olympics where he was 10th in scoring on Team Canada. Nobody cares about WCs or junior accomplishments.
Are there worse players in the HHOF... maybe a handful? But he would be in the lowest tier for sure.
For him to get in, you'd have to put an awful lot of weight on the 2010 Olympics where he was 10th in scoring on Team Canada. Nobody cares about WCs or junior accomplishments.
Are there worse players in the HHOF... maybe a handful? But he would be in the lowest tier for sure.
Voight
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You are correct about it being inconsistent - he scored 70+ in 2009 as well as 2010 then hit 98 but after that fell off until his resurgent 2014.
I'm saying its something worth noting. Its the hall of fame after all and he's one of two people to do that. That alone shouldn't get in but combine that with his individual hardware and handful of good seasons he will get in.
Look, theres people who think Marleau should be in because of the GP record and Perry is a better player so....
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