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Beacon

Beacon

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I am not putting this in the GDT because it's a general question, not just for this game. How is it that a ref from the same region as one of the teams, which is the case tonight, allowed to run the game?

In the Olympics, if Team USA plays Team Russia, do we have refs from Moscow or from DC? No, they make sure that the judges are from neutral nations. Why shouldn't that be the case here? Why are refs allowed to run games where one can have a reasonable suspicion of bias?

In court, a judge must recuse himself (withdraw) if a reasonable person may suspect there is bias, whether it exists or not. You can't as a judge preside over a case involving your cousin or ex-girlfriend. This is true even if you do not rule in any way that would show bias because courts do not want people to go around saying that judges are biased.

Why isn't that the rule here?

P.S. This is the worst ref'ed game ever. Just blatant bias. Honestly, when refs are THAT unable to keep their bias in check, they need to be fired. They have to at least be able to pretend to be at least somewhat fair.
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Because they are the best refs in the world, no matter where they're from.

And you're wrong about the Olympics btw, there were Canadian refs in the final between Sweden and Canada.
 
c'mon dude - you really wanted them to import refs from Jamaica for the game?

and Carbomb hit the ref - a big nono
 
Beacon said:
I am not putting this in the GDT because it's a general question, not just for this game. How is it that a ref from the same region as one of the teams, which is the case tonight, allowed to run the game?

In the Olympics, if Team USA plays Team Russia, do we have refs from Moscow or from DC? No, they make sure that the judges are from neutral nations. Why shouldn't that be the case here? Why are refs allowed to run games where one can have a reasonable suspicion of bias?

In court, a judge must recuse himself (withdraw) if a reasonable person may suspect there is bias, whether it exists or not. You can't as a judge preside over a case involving your cousin or ex-girlfriend. This is true even if you do not rule in any way that would show bias because courts do not want people to go around saying that judges are biased.

Why isn't that the rule here?

P.S. This is the worst ref'ed game ever. Just blatant bias. Honestly, when refs are THAT unable to keep their bias in check, they need to be fired. They have to at least be able to pretend to be at least somewhat fair.
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Anyone remember the Rangers - Chicago game 2-3 years ago where we were short handed like 8 times throughout the game. It was epic BC we actually won in an unbelievable fashion. Anyways, yeah that was the worst officiated game ever.
 
sbresistor said:
c'mon dude - you really wanted them to import refs from Jamaica for the game?
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No, but how about from Vancouver or Chicago or Florida?


Vikke said:
Because they are the best refs in the world, no matter where they're from.
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Clearly the refs today are the best in the world...

The NHL has plenty of refs to choose from, particularly during the playoffs when most of the refs have nothing to do. Boston fans complained about this guy from Quebec being blatantly biased and now it's the same crap in this game.
 
Rasmussen said:
The gold medal game between Canada and Sweden had exclusively Canadian officials
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That's ridiculous. There is no reason for it. There are plenty of terrific officials who are neither Canadian nor Swedish.

That said, I don't remember that game being this blatantly biased. I'm just furious over what's going on here. According to Bruin fans, the same thing took place the last round with this ref.
 
It's honestly not that bad guys. Totally unfair to think that there's some hometown bias at play when these refs are criticized by every team, every game, all the time.
 
1. missed call on Prust's high hit on Stepan.
2. no call on Dorsett being slew foot by Subban.
3. Pierre McGuire started yelling about a too many men by Montreal in the second that Olczyk backed him up on--no call on that either.
4. the Carcillo charge was not much of a charge IMO.

So--did they do a good job?
 
WhiskeySeven said:
It's honestly not that bad guys. Totally unfair to think that there's some hometown bias at play when these refs are criticized by every team, every game, all the time.
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Sorry, but everything changes everything. That Prust cheap shot just minutes in could have very well lead to the Rangers being up 1-0. Instead, what was clearly at least a minor penalty went uncalled and the entire game unfolds differently. In the regular season that is often a 5 minute major...what happens if the Rangers score twice on that power play? Terrible officiating. Period.
 
eco's bones said:
1. missed call on Prust's high hit on Stepan.
2. no call on Dorsett being slew foot by Subban.
3. Pierre McGuire started yelling about a too many men by Montreal in the second that Olczyk backed him up on--no call on that either.
4. the Carcillo charge was not much of a charge IMO.

So--did they do a good job?
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that was NOT a slew foot. Dorsett clearly took a dive there.
 
This game was one of the worst officiating games that I have watch in a long time. Even the linesmen I felt were getting a lot of wrong calls
 
If he was from Vancouver you'd ask why a Canadian was reefing.
If he was from California (random pick) you'd ask why is a guy who grew up a Habs fan was reefing.
If he was from Argentina you'd ask why he was chosen when his father is a Habs fan.

Just trying to illustrate there's an infinite number of possible bias. No matter where you draw the line there's another right behind it. You either trust all referees to be unbiased or you don't bother playing.
 
i agree with the general premise of the post though...its ridiculous. you CAN NOT have refs from the home town of EITHER team reffing a playoff game. there are more than enough refs in the league to get this done right.

reffing was brutal...
 
All I know is, how the **** did they not call Prust on that Stepan hit. That non-call is an harassment to hockey. Youth coaches all over the world will be using that clip to teach kids what interference is
 
Habitant#1 said:
If he was from Vancouver you'd ask why a Canadian was reefing.
If he was from California (random pick) you'd ask why is a guy who grew up a Habs fan was reefing.
If he was from Argentina you'd ask why he was chosen when his father is a Habs fan.

Just trying to illustrate there's an infinite number of possible bias. No matter where you draw the line there's another right behind it. You either trust all referees to be unbiased or you don't bother playing.
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yeah ok.

so if a guy from NY refs game 4, ignores all the crap that got ignored tonight, youd be fine right?

yeah ok. the same fan base that moans at every little thing has the balls to come here and post crap like this. get the heck outta here.
 
Calls tend to even out over time but they can def influence the outcome of a series.

The problem I have is that they interfere with the flow of the game. It's infuriating. Too many unnecessary stops and face off antics. Drop the puck for gods sake.
 
Inferno said:
yeah ok.

so if a guy from NY refs game 4, ignores all the crap that got ignored tonight, youd be fine right?

yeah ok. the same fan base that moans at every little thing has the balls to come here and post crap like this. get the heck outta here.
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I wasn't defending the calls, they were brutal.

What I'm saying is that even if you remove place of birth as a factor a person can always find another reason to claim a referee is biased.
 
How do they handle it in other professional sports leagues? Micro managing the assignment of officials based on birthplace and heritage is the wrong angle, in my opinion.
Reviews of officials by an independent auditor would be much more helpful. Would it really be so wrong for an overseeing body to ask the officials tonight how they 'missed' Prust's predatory attack on Stepan, right out there in open ice?
 
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