Why does Russia play so far below their potential?

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Ov doeant show up, Ovechkin is a north American style player on a very Russian style team. They don't use his game. He plays30 seconds on the p with a left shot defenceman on the point next to him.

If the Russians used their players to best use theirs games they would be better
 
Ov doeant show up, Ovechkin is a north American style player on a very Russian style team. They don't use his game. He plays30 seconds on the p with a left shot defenceman on the point next to him.

If the Russians used their players to best use theirs games they would be better

Ovechkin is not a NA style player. He is lazy and bad defensively, remember?:sarcasm:

Those narratives are useless.

Russia don't do rebounds.

Repeating stupid jokes based on a myth is not helpng to answer the question.

How would a Soviet regime deal with these recent poor showings?

How is this relevant?
 
As many of you have already mentioned, it's not that Russia plays below their potential, they are just overrated.

They are sort of like Slovakia, just with a few more superstars. They lack depth.
 
Russia is undoubtedly good enough to challenge for a title if things fall right, but things need to go perfectly in a way it doesn't need to for a team such as Canada. They also struggle with the fact that, I'd argue, defensive tactics is easier to learn in an rushed environment than offensive tactics and compatibility. Meaning that their great strength is crippled by time, and the disparity between their defensive weaknesses and other team's defenses becomes even greater.

I hope (and genuinely so, even though I want Sweden to beat them) that the lack of pressure, at least internationally, will allow Russia to grow comfortable and perform not only up to their ability, but beyond it. I think of Finland, a team that allows exceeds expectations, yet are never viewed as a credible title threat - perhaps there is a direct correlation between the two?
 
Orlov. Terrible
Markov. Old. And terrible now
Emelin. Terrible
Marchenko/Kulikov. Meh. At best

They simply cannot compete with team that has Claude Giroux as a healthy scratch. Or against a Sweden or Finland for example.

It's simple and painfully obvious to anyone that merely watches them play
 
It's just that in the old days of the USSR, the players all played on the red army team all year, they all took massive drugs and back then nobody every did tests, back then the KGB bugged every room the Canada teams had, USSR refs that handed out penalties like their was a fire sale, the food team Canada brought with them was always lost and replaces with disease filled food, and of course the KGB would provide all the vodka for FREE and all the ****** for free who were ordered to make sure Team Canada got NO sleep. I even heard that the USSR has special ice rinks that were able to tilt downhill for the Russians and uphill for team Canada. Lets not forget the magnetic pucks, it seems the KGB filled the pucks with magnets that the Russian goal judge would turn on at the right time to have the puck get sucked into team Canada nets. :nod:
 
Orlov. Terrible
Markov. Old. And terrible now
Emelin. Terrible
Marchenko/Kulikov. Meh. At best

They simply cannot compete with team that has Claude Giroux as a healthy scratch. Or against a Sweden or Finland for example.

It's simple and painfully obvious to anyone that merely watches them play
I don't remember when Russia lost to Sweden.
 
Whats interesting is that their junior team has shown a lot of " never give up " mentally and their NT seem to lack some of this...
I would love to see Bragin lead the NT team
 
Whats interesting is that their junior team has shown a lot of " never give up " mentally and their NT seem to lack some of this...
I would love to see Bragin lead the NT team

Yeah, it is odd how Russia has remained very competitive at the Junior level.
 
the old red army teams played together for months if not years

today its a team with high end individual superstars plus some fluff thrown in for sometimes political reasons(KHL). the team does not play as a team, they often play as individuals who perhaps can not accept smaller roles

the swedes and finns play a complete team game and while they may lack the # or the ceiling of some of the russian superstars they're well coached and always play the same way no matter where(and often its a very N.American style so as to compete with Canada and the US better)
 
Is it coaching? Is it their Defense? Are they mismanaging their assets? Unable to accept reduced roles? Etc...

I know it's a best on best tournament but they've been thoroughly ouplayed so far. Despite the results.

If I was the coach, I would give the most ice time to Panarin. Guys like Ovi would have to accept lesser roles. Gotta give more ice time to the best guys and the hottest players.

What do you think is the problem?

100% Coaching.
 
Better coaching and the D they have coming up could make a huge difference.

On D they have: Zaitsev, Provorov, Paigin, and Sergachev coming up who are all very good D men.
 
As many of you have already mentioned, it's not that Russia plays below their potential, they are just overrated.

They are sort of like Slovakia, just with a few more superstars. They lack depth.

What do you know about Russia's "potential?" What do you know about Russian hockey? It is true that many Canadians who have no actual knowledge about Russian hockey at all do overrate Russia, but that is just regurgitating what has been fed to them by Don Cherry and the Canadian media. They are just parroting ridiculous expectations based on the idea that the Soviet hockey system somehow still exists. They believe these things because they just don't know what is going on in Russian hockey.

Given the level of resources available to finance, train, and administer hockey programs, Russia is doing as well as could be expected. There are major flaws that are insurmountable right now, which is why it is difficult to beat teams like Sweden and Finland, who are much richer and have superior resources and organization than is available to Russia at the moment. So its a false premise to say that Russia is not living up to its potential.
 
As many of you have already mentioned, it's not that Russia plays below their potential, they are just overrated.

They are sort of like Slovakia, just with a few more superstars. They lack depth.

Russia is way better than Slovakia right now. However, I do agree they are overrated, but I think they could do much better with better style of play, I mean you can't go fancy for 50 minutes against Sweden and then expect to win with a 10 minute period of grinding and actually playing effective hockey.
 
How's that odd? Russia has an excellent hockey school and tradition.

I think he's just saying it's weird how that seems to have fallen apart at the senior level, for some reason.

There's really no reason why Russia's men's teams shouldn't be as terrifying as their junior squads, but here we are.
 
Who is the last elite Russian defenseman? Meanwhile Canada and Sweden have at least 3 superstar stud #1 Dmen that could play 30 minutes if they needed.
 

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