Why are you allowed put your goalie back in on an icing call

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Was watching this Dallas-Colorado game there was a scenario where Dallas pulled Enroth and got the extra man on and then seconds later they iced it, obviously your not allowed to change after an icing but for some reason teams are allowed to change 1 man for a goaltender if the net is empty, why is this?

 

[Fordy]

because that would be ridiculous

 

[LT]

Thought that was strange as well, even as a Stars' fan. Gonna guess there's a specific rule allowing exactly that.

 

[montador*]

Because in the nhl every possible advantage goes to the defense

 

[Roomtemperature]

Because its more exciting for the team losing to still be in the game then to give the other team a cheap goal to put it away

 

[Talain]

Because it would be utterly ridiculous otherwise. Plus it would greatly increase the risk of someone getting injured, as inevitably one of the players who is on the ice will try to protect the empty net and skaters do not wear the same sort of padding specifically for blocking shots that goaltenders do.

Though it would be perfectly reasonable to require that the man who goes off for the goaltender has to be the same player that came on for the goaltender.

 

[PensPlz]

The 6th skater should be required to get in goal. He would be allowed to grab a different stick if he chooses but that's it.

 

[QnebO]

Because that's how it should be.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Team ices the puck when their goalie is pulled then a defensive zone faceoff they lose and other team scores a easy goal don't think anyone wants to see that.

 

[klingsor]

Excellent question.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=11858390&postcount=7

 

[MrNasty]

Because in the nhl every possible advantage goes to the defense

Either you have just started watching hockey or you forget all the changes the NHL has made in recent years.

Before:

-They could ice the puck and make a complete line change
-They could flip the puck over the glass, get no penalty and make a line change.
-They could hook and hold to their hearts content
-They could take as long as they wanted to make a line change
-The goalie could play the puck anywhere and smother it just about anywhere
-There was no 2-line pass
-if they got a penalty in the offensive zone then the faceoff wasn't brought all the way back to their own zone

I could go on...simply put..outside of no-touch icing then all the rules that have been created over the years benefits offense, not defense.

 

[ThirdManIn]

Was watching this Dallas-Colorado game there was a scenario where Dallas pulled Enroth and got the extra man on and then seconds later they iced it, obviously your not allowed to change after an icing but for some reason teams are allowed to change 1 man for a goaltender if the net is empty, why is this?

Because 84.1 in the NHL Rule Book clearly states that the only times a player "substitution" is allowed after an icing it to replace a goalkeeper who was pulled in order to gain the extra attacker, to replace an injured player or if a penalty has been assessed which will alter the on-ice strength of either team.

The 6th skater should be required to get in goal. He would be allowed to grab a different stick if he chooses but that's it.

So a player who is not wearing the proper padding to stop a puck without risking serious injury to his face, arms, legs, feet, mid-section or any other area not sufficiently protected (which can be several areas considering the differences in padding for skaters versus goalies) should be required to get into the net after an icing that took place with a team's goalie pulled?

Yeah have fun getting that one past the NHLPA...

The reason goalies are protected from body checks is the same reason a player should not be "required" to play goalie without the proper pads. The equipment of a goalie is designed to stop pucks while transferring the force of the impact across a large piece of padding. The equipment of a player is designed to protect the body from hard hits, and the relatively rare (compared to a goalie) times when they are hit with a puck.

I suppose they could allow the sixth skater to put on goalkeeper gear, but that would take so much time it would be ridiculous. The rule is fine the way it is. The point of the lack of substitution of skaters after an icing is to further deter a team from simply throwing the puck down the ice. Not only is there a faceoff in your own defensive zone, but you're going to be tired, too. What does the goalie have to do with that? A team should now have to risk letting up an easy empty net goal because they iced the puck with their goalie pulled? That's just ridiculous.

 

[WaltWhitman]

Because 84.1 in the NHL Rule Book clearly states that the only times a player "substitution" is allowed after an icing it to replace a goalkeeper who was pulled in order to gain the extra attacker, to replace an injured player or if a penalty has been assessed which will alter the on-ice strength of either team.



So a player who is not wearing the proper padding to stop a puck without risking serious injury to his face, arms, legs, feet, mid-section or any other area not sufficiently protected (which can be several areas considering the differences in padding for skaters versus goalies) should be required to get into the net after an icing that took place with a team's goalie pulled?

Yeah have fun getting that one past the NHLPA...

The reason goalies are protected from body checks is the same reason a player should not be "required" to play goalie without the proper pads. The equipment of a goalie is designed to stop pucks while transferring the force of the impact across a large piece of padding. The equipment of a player is designed to protect the body from hard hits, and the relatively rare (compared to a goalie) times when they are hit with a puck.

I suppose they could allow the sixth skater to put on goalkeeper gear, but that would take so much time it would be ridiculous. The rule is fine the way it is. The point of the lack of substitution of skaters after an icing is to further deter a team from simply throwing the puck down the ice. Not only is there a faceoff in your own defensive zone, but you're going to be tired, too. What does the goalie have to do with that? A team should now have to risk letting up an easy empty net goal because they iced the puck with their goalie pulled? That's just ridiculous.

That's what people said when all these rules were changed, I'm guessing.

Either you have just started watching hockey or you forget all the changes the NHL has made in recent years.

Before:

-They could ice the puck and make a complete line change
-They could flip the puck over the glass, get no penalty and make a line change.
-They could hook and hold to their hearts content
-They could take as long as they wanted to make a line change
-The goalie could play the puck anywhere and smother it just about anywhere
-There was no 2-line pass
-if they got a penalty in the offensive zone then the faceoff wasn't brought all the way back to their own zone

I could go on...simply put..outside of no-touch icing then all the rules that have been created over the years benefits offense, not defense.

People don't like change.

I actually like this idea. It seems fair. You aren't supposed to be able to change players after an icing, period. But it would probably lead to a few more anti-climactic games than with the current rule, so I'm torn.

It's not like the team that iced the puck is forbidden from winning the face off.....