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Who would rather see a CHL vs. U-20 NCAA exhibition series than CAN vs. RUS?

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End on a Hinote

End on a Hinote

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The Canada vs. Russia rivalry has been dead for decades, and with the CHL and NCAA more neck and neck than ever for producing NHL talent who wouldn't want to watch an exhibition series between development programs over nations.

The best U-20 players (regardless of their nationalities) playing in an either a best of 7 or 8 game tournament.
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End on a Hinote said:
The Canada vs. Russia rivalry has been dead for decades, and with the CHL and NCAA more neck and neck than ever for producing NHL talent who wouldn't want to watch an exhibition series between development programs over nations.

The best U-20 players (regardless of their nationalities) playing in an either a best of 7 or 8 game tournament.
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you're correct in asserting the Canada-Russia rivalry has long since passed and the new contenders to the throne are the Americans, but instead of a CHL v NCAA U20 series, I'd just prefer a traditional Canada v USA 8 game summit series. on every level.
 
93LEAFS said:
No, because it would really mess up the NCAA season.
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How would tacking on 4-7 international games mess up the NCAA's +- 38 game schedule?

CHL plays too many league games NCAA too few. cut CHL games to a max of 52. add a few international games. win win.
 
That would be an interesting series to see. I'm not as familiar with NCAA rules; are there any significant differences between CHL and NCAA rules? There's obvious ones like cage vs. visor and fighting, but anything related to the gameplay, like icing, that would be significant?
 
jj cale said:
We tend to think it's a better explanation then the refs/coaching/lack of home ice/evil conspiracies.

Other places have all those covered:sarcasm:
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Well it would be stupid to blame refs (Canadians), ice (Canadian) and evil conspacies (Canadian). Coaching is always blamed, so it'd be kinda boring...
 
I think another option could be to instigate a May tournament (after the Hlinka) that would rival the top CHL (Memorial Cup winner), the top NCAA team (Frozen Four winner), and the top MHL team all against each other in a 3 games tourney.
 
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Obvious issue here: NCAA considers the CHL pro hockey, so why would they agree/condone/organize games against "pros"? Why would a college player not be allowed to dress in a CHL preseason game, but be allowed to play a 3 game series against CHL all stars?
 
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ChurchOfAlfie said:
Obvious issue here: NCAA considers the CHL pro hockey, so why would they agree/condone/organize games against "pros"? Why would a college player not be allowed to dress in a CHL preseason game, but be allowed to play a 3 game series against CHL all stars?
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I mean, that'd obviously be an "exception tournament". Most NCAA players tend to be older than CHL players, so they'd technically have a potential age edge on such a tourney.

Not like a May tournament of 3 games involving a single NCAA team would matter in the grand scheme of eligibility.
 
xNogaitx said:
I mean, that'd obviously be an "exception tournament". Most NCAA players tend to be older than CHL players, so they'd technically have a potential age edge on such a tourney.

Not like a May tournament of 3 games involving a single NCAA team would matter in the grand scheme of eligibility.
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I don't think you realize how seriously the NCAA takes their eligibility.

Players who attend CHL training camps and want to keep their NCAA eligibility have to pay their own way, and can only stay in camp for a few days (forget the exact number.) They can't dress for any exhibition games.

So any game against CHL players, let alone 3, would never be agreed to by the NCAA. They don't do "exception" games or tournaments.
 
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ChurchOfAlfie said:
I don't think you realize how seriously the NCAA takes their eligibility.

Players who attend CHL training camps and want to keep their NCAA eligibility have to pay their own way, and can only stay in camp for a few days (forget the exact number.) They can't dress for any exhibition games.

So any game against CHL players, let alone 3, would never be agreed to by the NCAA. They don't do "exception" games or tournaments.
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Yeah, they aren't risking that for a hockey tournament. They will die on that hill for the sake of Basketball and Football.
 
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ChurchOfAlfie said:
I don't think you realize how seriously the NCAA takes their eligibility.

Players who attend CHL training camps and want to keep their NCAA eligibility have to pay their own way, and can only stay in camp for a few days (forget the exact number.) They can't dress for any exhibition games.

So any game against CHL players, let alone 3, would never be agreed to by the NCAA. They don't do "exception" games or tournaments.
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I get what you're saying, but NCAA teams sometimes play exhibition games vs. CIS teams (this season, Alberta played a game vs Denver Pioneers for example). So if NCAA teams make an exception to play against CHL graduates (some of which have also played in "real" pro leagues as well), I imagine they'd consider it for international tournaments against current CHL too, no?

The NCAA players would be playing against CHL teams/players, not for them like in your example.
 
National team games (like Quinn Hughes participating Worlds last year) don't count as playing against pros either.
 
I wouldn't be particularly interested in it. I don't care who came from the CHL and who came from NCAA.
 
Considering the NCAA's definition of 'outside competition', a NCAA vs CHL series would be prohibited by NCAA regulations and Bylaws.


17.02.12 Outside Team. An outside team is any team that does not represent the intercollegiate athletics program of the member institution or a team that includes individuals other than eligible student-athletes of the member institution (e.g., members of the coaching staff, ineligible student-athletes, members of the faculty).

17.31.3 Exceptions -- All Sports. The following exceptions to the outside-competition regulations are permitted:
(a) High School or Two-Year College All-Star Contests. A student-athlete may compete in a high school or two-year college all-star contest during the summer prior to initial full-time enrollment in a regular term at the institution.
(b) High School Alumni Game. A student-athlete may compete in one game a year involving participants from the student athlete's former high school and its alumni team. In sports other than basketball, this game must take place during an official vacation period of the institution's academic year.
(c) Olympic Games. A student-athlete may participate in the official Olympic Games, in final tryouts that directly qualify competitors for the Olympic Games, and in officially recognized competition directly qualifying participants for final Olympic Games tryouts.
(d) Official Pan American Games Tryouts and Competition. A student-athlete may participate in official Pan American Games tryouts and competition.
(e) U.S. National Teams. A student-athlete may participate in official tryouts and competition involving national teams and junior national teams sponsored by the appropriate national governing bodies of the U.S. Olympic Committee (or, for the student-athletes representing another nation, the equivalent organization of that nation or, for student-athletes competing in a non-Olympic sport, the equivalent organization of that sport).
(f) Official World Championships, World University Games (Universiade), World University Championships and World Cup Tryouts and Competition. A student-athlete may participate in official World Championships, World University Games (Universiade), World University Championships and World Cup tryouts and competition.
(g) Multisport Events. A student-athlete may participate in officially recognized state and national multisport events
 
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I think it's a pretty pointless distinction (NCAA vs CHL) and wouldn't be too interested in comparing the two leagues. I don't think the players would be motivated that motivated to represent the leagues either.
 
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Gold Standard said:
you're correct in asserting the Canada-Russia rivalry has long since passed and the new contenders to the throne are the Americans, but instead of a CHL v NCAA U20 series, I'd just prefer a traditional Canada v USA 8 game summit series. on every level.
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He said regardless of nationalities.
More like NCAA players vs Junior hockey players in Canada.
 
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