Paul4587
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Toronto easily. In no way should a player like Kapanen yield the package he was just traded for.
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CanadienShark
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I guess you should feel proud?
Kapanen is a 2nd line winger. His speed fits the Pens. I mean, you could argue the Pens overpaid slightly in terms of value, but that doesn't mean it's not a win for the Pens if they land a player that fits. You don't win based on subjective "value." You win if the player fits your team and contributes to winning as a team.
LeafsNation75
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Jim Rutheford also wasted their 2021 3rd round pick when he traded for Patrick Marleau.
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It could become a win-win trade depending on where Kapanen fits in Pittsburgh's lineup, but I think the value favours the Leafs. I hope it works out for Pittsburgh too
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The only way the pens "win" this deal is if they get one more cup over the next 3 years kap is under contract. This just feels oddly similar to me when the pens and leafs did the Kessel trade. Pens got the best player in the deal but gave up what everyone said at the time was a lot "for a player that lacks heart and is one dimensional ".
The writing has been on the wall for awhile now that the pens window is closing, they are definitely being more aggressive in trades to try to help now and not think about the future. I'm ok with that logic but you need to be smart with the aggressive moves. Too many times you can look back at the trades after 2017 and really question if they were worth it or what was the cost to undue the damage of the trade.
Today I think Toronto "wins" the trade but the gamble the pens are making is what they need to do to go for that final cup of the sid/geno era. There are obviously more trades coming for both the pens and leafs this off season.
So after thinking about this I can't honestly say that the pens "lost" today either. They got a player who should fit really well in their top 6 and is an affordable contract for the rest of their window
The writing has been on the wall for awhile now that the pens window is closing, they are definitely being more aggressive in trades to try to help now and not think about the future. I'm ok with that logic but you need to be smart with the aggressive moves. Too many times you can look back at the trades after 2017 and really question if they were worth it or what was the cost to undue the damage of the trade.
Today I think Toronto "wins" the trade but the gamble the pens are making is what they need to do to go for that final cup of the sid/geno era. There are obviously more trades coming for both the pens and leafs this off season.
So after thinking about this I can't honestly say that the pens "lost" today either. They got a player who should fit really well in their top 6 and is an affordable contract for the rest of their window
Dubas best move to date. Short list I know but none the less...this is unexpectedly good.
LeafsNation75
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Kapanen is only under contract for the 2020-21 and 2021-22 seasons, so wouldn't the Penguins need to win one more Cup over the next 2 years?
Kasperi Kapanen - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Its a great deal for the leafs. Pick up a mid first in a good draft and a decent prospect, add a little cap space, and they have robertson to replace him. Value wise it is probably a bit high.
But its not a massive overpayment, and the pens got what they needed too.
But its not a massive overpayment, and the pens got what they needed too.
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This.
Talked about the deal near the end of my video and was very high on it for the Leafs.
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I do think it's kind of funny how much HF has become an expert on Hallander suddenly. 24 hours ago most people probably had never heard of him.
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It's no different then the time Kyle Dubas traded Sean Durzi and Carl Grundstrom for Jake Muzzin. So besides Leafs fans how many fans of other teams knew about them before that trade?
Too early to tell.
On it's face, I like this trade for the Pens because Kap is currently the best player among the names in the trade and his numbers could get jacked playing with Malkin ( I'm assuming that's where he's going ). Guentzel, Rust, Zucker, Kapanen is a pretty good set of top 6 wingers who are all under 30. Pittsburgh wants to keep the Crosby/Malkin window open as long as possible and having ' in their prime ' wingers who can all skate, shoot, and score helps that out tremendously. The 15OA most likely would not be doing anything to help the Crosby/Malkin window anytime soon.
I like this trade for the Leafs because the gives them cap room in a position they were loaded on. I don't think the Leafs need to get any younger so I would even say they got a good trading chip with the 15OA to improve their current roster, since they're also a team that's hunting for playoff success.
I think the trade boils down to those two parts... I think the rest are basically fodder and future/current JAGS with little consequence.
On it's face, I like this trade for the Pens because Kap is currently the best player among the names in the trade and his numbers could get jacked playing with Malkin ( I'm assuming that's where he's going ). Guentzel, Rust, Zucker, Kapanen is a pretty good set of top 6 wingers who are all under 30. Pittsburgh wants to keep the Crosby/Malkin window open as long as possible and having ' in their prime ' wingers who can all skate, shoot, and score helps that out tremendously. The 15OA most likely would not be doing anything to help the Crosby/Malkin window anytime soon.
I like this trade for the Leafs because the gives them cap room in a position they were loaded on. I don't think the Leafs need to get any younger so I would even say they got a good trading chip with the 15OA to improve their current roster, since they're also a team that's hunting for playoff success.
I think the trade boils down to those two parts... I think the rest are basically fodder and future/current JAGS with little consequence.
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It’s an awful trade in terms of futures but if Toronto misses on the pick and Hallander ain’t an NHLer it is obvious they lost it.
Not sure I would be playing that game if I was a toronto fan...
LeafsNation75
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The Penguins were expected to defeat the Canadiens and it was and 1 year before that they were swept in the first round by the Islanders.
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HFers are way too focused on wining trades on paper. It's not just a calculation of overall value of the sum of assets exchanged.
The fact of the matter is that Pittsburgh got better with this trade and Toronto got worse. The 1st rounder might make a difference down the road, but really the only thing Toronto got from this was cap space to fix a deeper flaw in their roster. Whether the benefit of getting another player to fix that flaw offsets the loss of Kapanen remains to be seen.
The fact of the matter is that Pittsburgh got better with this trade and Toronto got worse. The 1st rounder might make a difference down the road, but really the only thing Toronto got from this was cap space to fix a deeper flaw in their roster. Whether the benefit of getting another player to fix that flaw offsets the loss of Kapanen remains to be seen.
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Yeah, it's kind of a weird chirp considering the complete lack of playoff success the Leafs have had.
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True. Now let's compare with the leafs achievements over the same period.
The Podium
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Toronto won on value for now, how they use the 1st + Hallander + cap will determine if the really won the trade long term
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