Who Wins The Conn Smythe Trophy?

[bobholly39]

Seems like you don't know how the voting for Conn Smythe works.

Every voter has two different sets of votes: one for each team winning. There's zero chance McDavid is in anyone's top2 for the Panthers win scenario. Zero.

That's only relevent in a game 7 scenario. If it's game 5 or 6....only Panthers can win.

And yes - my comment is implying that in a Panthers win scenario, a lot of voters would still have McDavid #2 based on how strong his run is. Most might hesitate to vote for him #1 (because they'd want the winner to come from winning team), but then vote him #2. And if Bob/Barkov split first place votes, we could have a scenario where McDavid wins based on mostly a bunch of #2 votes.

He’s not wrong on how voting works. Here was the 22 vote sheet

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There aren't any vote breakdowns provided for 2003 is there? As far as I know it's only very recently they started sharing detailed vote results for Conn Smythe.

Because if there was a similar breakdown for 2003, I'd be very curious to see how many first place votes Giguere got, in a losing cause.

 

[steierwrass]

Can Barkov really win the Smythe while McDavid is 17(~80%) points ahead of him?

Does Bob win the Smythe despite being at best the 3rd best goalie these playoffs?

I guess, this is one of the most difficult Conn Smythes to choose. You gave big part of the reasons. Of course points aren't everything, but McDavid has been the best and the most important player for his team in these playoffs. But if they lose finals today, is he valuable enough? And are there any better in Panthers than those two?

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Barkov

 

[Monsieur Miz]

McDavid played 1:55 on the PK during the entire playoffs. Barkov played 45:40. He still manages to be a PPG player.

Faceoffs, 44% for McDavid vs 54% for Barkov.

Barkov has more hits, more shots blocked, more takeaways. McDavid is used primarily to create as much offense as possible. Barkov is used and trusted in every facet of the game.

Not giving it to Barkov would be such a slap in the face. Basically saying that an elite forward playing defense doesn't mean shit. Only the points column matters.

 

[Canovin]

McDavid played 1:55 on the PK during the entire playoffs. Barkov played 45:40. He still manages to be a PPG player.

Faceoffs, 44% for McDavid vs 54% for Barkov.

Barkov has more hits, more shots blocked, more takeaways. McDavid is used primarily to create as much offense as possible. Barkov is used and trusted in every facet of the game.

Not giving it to Barkov would be such a slap in the face. Basically saying that an elite forward playing defense doesn't mean shit. Only the points column matters.

RNH is more comparable to Barkov. Same points total. Both play on the PK. Both utilized in the same way

 

[Mulletman]

McDavid played 1:55 on the PK during the entire playoffs. Barkov played 45:40. He still manages to be a PPG player.

Faceoffs, 44% for McDavid vs 54% for Barkov.

Barkov has more hits, more shots blocked, more takeaways. McDavid is used primarily to create as much offense as possible. Barkov is used and trusted in every facet of the game.

Not giving it to Barkov would be such a slap in the face. Basically saying that an elite forward playing defense doesn't mean shit. Only the points column matters.

Barkov let McDavid break a Gretzky single season record. That's a huge blow to his legacy, not something he should get a Conn Smythe after allowing to happen.

 

[Over the volcano]

If the difference in pts between McDavid and Barkov were its own player it'd be top 10 in the league in playoff production.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Monster game from Tkachuk.

It’s between McDavid and Tkachuk for me.

 

[SuperScript29]

I think McDavid is getting it win or lose, this is a historic performance by him, I really hope the Oilers pull through and win the cup for legacy's sake.

 

[jigglysquishy]

I think the last two games have pushed it to McDavid.

42 points is ridiculous.

 

[Felidae]

Monster game from Tkachuk.

It’s between McDavid and Tkachuk for me.

Tkachuk was MIA this series before this game, and was never the best player on the Panthers in any of the series except maybe Tampa.

 

[Fataldogg]

Win or lose McDavid deserves it. I don't think there is a legitimate argument that anyone on either team is more valuable than him. Most assists in NHL history, 42 points which ranks 4th all time, on the verge of pushing it to 3rd all time. Team on the brink of elimination, he steps it up and puts up 4 points in back to back games. He deserves the Conn Smythe in my book unless something drastically changes.

 

[Cup or Bust]

I am changing my vote to McDavid. He should win no matter what. Playing Gretzky and Lemieux level right now.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

It's not Bob. He cost his team the game tonight.

 

[Gnome17]

Connor McDavid. After these past 2 games, there is noone else that comes close.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

I’d give it to him even if it ends on Friday.

 

[JackSlater]

At this point the 2024 Conn Smythe has zero credibility if McDavid doesn't get it, regardless of who wins the series. He's basically double everyone on Florida in scoring, there is no defenceman on Florida taking command these playoffs, and Bobrovsky, while at times great, has not submitted a top tier playoff run that guarantees the trophy to the winning goaltender.

The media gets into the dumb idea that someone from the winning team must be most valuable except for very rare circumstances, even though everyone already knew two games ago that McDavid was the clear most valuable player in these playoffs. It's become a very rare circumstance now though.

 

[Spawn]

McDavid played 1:55 on the PK during the entire playoffs. Barkov played 45:40. He still manages to be a PPG player.

Faceoffs, 44% for McDavid vs 54% for Barkov.

Barkov has more hits, more shots blocked, more takeaways. McDavid is used primarily to create as much offense as possible. Barkov is used and trusted in every facet of the game.

Not giving it to Barkov would be such a slap in the face. Basically saying that an elite forward playing defense doesn't mean shit. Only the points column matters.

McDavid in the finals: 11 points and +4 in 5 games

Barkov in the finals: 4 points and even in 5 games.

If Barkov was shutting McDavid down you’d have an argument. But he isn’t.

 

[Miro4Norris]

Chill guys. Bob and Barkov vere evenly best players on Game 1 & 2, Barkov in game 3, McDavid in games 4 & 5. It's even between McDavid and Barkov now, cup winner gets it.

 

[66-30-33]

As much as I hate to say it, there is only 1 player that should get it win or lose the cup and he's number 97.

 

[Daximus]

It's McDavid through and through. All time level of playoff performance. It would be nuts if they force a game 7 but win or lose its his.

 

[Mr Positive]

When McDavid broke the Gretzky assist record it really put him in the conversation, just as Bob getting shelled took him out of it. The Gretz record gives him too fun of a narrative.

This game should put McDavid as the favorite now. Even if the Oilers lose, McDavid's performance is the definition of an exception to the rule

 

[Alexandre Achutti]

There is still a game to be played, but McDavid is the favorite, regardless of who takes the Stanley Cup.

 

[GMofOilers]

Its a lock and wont change now

 

[Metroid]

The guy made the schedule!!!