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Who is the greatest Soviet center of all time?

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Malkin appears to be easily the greatest Russian center of NHL history. What about in Soviet times?

It just isn't the position that talent gravitated toward.

It certainly isn't the position Tarasov built the offense on.
 
I don’t think you can ignore Larionov either. The Professor. He was past his prime when he arrived in Vancouver and still carved out an impressive NHL career.

For the record I’m not saying he’s #1, more an honourable mention. I think for pure talent you have to go with Fedorov.

It’s too bad Makarov, Larionov and Krutov didn’t get to play their prime years in the NHL.
 
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The answer has to be Alexander Maltsev. After him there's a tier with Starshinov, Petrov and Larionov (chronological order). Pretty sure the majority would rank Petrov the highest among those three and thus #2 behind Maltsev.
 
It just isn't the position that talent gravitated toward.

It certainly isn't the position Tarasov built the offense on.

Funny enough, Tarasov himself played center when he still went out on the ice. And he relied on (had to rely on) hard work instead of superior talent. So perhaps building Soviet hockey in his own image led Tarasov to not occupy his former position with the most talented guys.
 
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The answer has to be Alexander Maltsev. After him there's a tier with Starshinov, Petrov and Larionov (chronological order). Pretty sure the majority would rank Petrov the highest among those three and thus #2 behind Maltsev.

Well, Maltsev is certainly the greatest Soviet player who ever played that position. (I'm not counting Firsov.)

However, strictly as center, was he the greatest? The Soviet national team coaches didn't seem to think so, as Maltsev was usually positioned at right wing on Team USSR. Sometimes it was probably because the coach preferred to have at least two guys from the same club team/line on the national team too, so the center position on the line Maltsev played was often already filled (by Shadrin, or by Vladimir Golikov or whomever). However, in Lake Placid in 1980, for example, Maltsev played on a line with young Krutov and Yuri Lebedev, another 'all-around forward' (and not categorically center), and it was Lebedev who centered the unit. Maybe it was because Lebedev had played more center on his club team (Krylya) than Maltsev had on his (Dinamo Moscow) during those times?

Anyway, my top 4 would be:
Maltsev
Petrov
Larionov
Starshinov

Looking only at their Soviet careers, maybe Starshinov was better, but if Larionov's later NHL career is taken into consideration, he has the edge.
 
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Well, Maltsev is certainly the greatest Soviet player who ever played that position. (I'm not counting Firsov.)

However, strictly as center, was he the greatest? The Soviet national team coaches didn't seem to think so, as Maltsev was usually positioned at right wing on Team USSR.

True. Either way, we agree on the top 4.
 
I guess it has to be either Maltsev or Petrov. I should watch more games to get a better sense for comparison sake. Petrov looked more clearly below the level of his linemates, in my viewings, than Maltsev did, but Petrov was also playing with better linemates so that may not mean anything.
 
Without ranking them. Probable top ten in alphabetical order.


Aleksandr Almetov [1940-1992] – He was a standout among his peers as a junior and relied a lot on his raw talent alone.
He had incredible hands and could beat defenders in a variety of ways. Difficult player to defend against. Good instincts and often used as a penalty killer. Only his battle with the bottle deprived him of a longer playing career.
National team stats: 174-146-54-200

Vyacheslav Bykov [1960-] - A Chelyabinsk product. He developed into a pretty complete player. Low-key type of player.
Never fancy, but effective and learned to play solid defensive hockey. Had great chemistry with his sidekick Andrei Khomutov.
Also often played with Valeri Kamensky. Drafted by Quebec, but opted to play in Switzerland with Khomutov in the 90s.
National team stats: 236-102-108-210

Aleksei Guryshev [1925-1983] – He had decent size for a forward in the 1950s. Very strong player in the slot, where he loved to pounce on rebounds. Scored a ton of goals, much thanks to his quick release. He had an excellent wristshot that surprised a lot of goalies. Guryshev had powerful skating strides combined with good speed.
National team stats: 149-129-26-155

Igor Larionov [1960-] - Like Gretzky, it was his playmaking and hockey intelligence that stood out. Larionov wasn’t the biggest guy, had the best shot or was the speediest player around. He conserved his energy out on the ice wisely, and could read plays well in advance. Complemented Krutov and Makarov in a great way on that KLM line.
National team stats: 223-84-111-195

Aleksandr Maltsev [1949-] - He was a versatile player who could play on all three forward positions, preferably as a RW or C. Extremely creative player with terrific one-on-one skills. He could really motor with the puck on his blade. Maltsev had an underrated wrist shot that was quite accurate. Had good consistency on the national team.
National team stats: 415-300-216-516

Vladimir Petrov [1947-2017] – For many years he centered the legendary line with Mikhailov and Kharlamov. That was the Soviet go-to line in the 1970s. Petrov was efficient in any game situation. As a young player he was often compared to Starshinov.
Petrov could give and take a hit. He was responsible defensively and probably the best Soviet faceoff guy when he played. Stubborn player with a powerful and accurate shot. His only drawback was that he was a relatively slow skater compared to many of his teammates.
National team stats: 359-265-216-481

Vladimir Shadrin [1948-] - He was often overshadowed by his teammates. But Shadrin always gave 110% and was known to always be physically exhausted after games. Coaches liked him because he was very useful, making few mistakes or errant passes.
He wasn’t much of a physical player per se, but battled hard and never gave an inch to anyone. Always in top physical condition.
National team stats: 233-118-97-215

Viktor Shuvalov [1923-] - The last surviving member among the early legendary Soviet players. He centered the famous line with Bobrov and Babich. Shuvalov possessed excellent physique, technique, speed and endurance. Back then he was the modern prototype of a semi-powerforward. Shuvalov was really hard to contain, and could grind down opponents.
National team stats: 89-90-17-107

Vyacheslav Starshinov [1940-] - Very versatile athlete who excelled in many sports. Broad-shouldered center and a fierce competitor. Not quite Phil Esposito, but very strong in front of the goal, where he scored most of his goals. Difficult to move out of the goal crease. He wasn’t tall, but muscular (used to box). Starshinov sometimes gave an impression to be a bit clumsy as he wasn’t a particularly smooth skater. Always set an example to his teammates by being in top shape. Anatoli Tarasov used Starshinov as an example for others to follow his work ethic. Worked extremely hard during the off season and practices.
He never complained and was very durable.
National team stats: 274-219-67-288

Viktor Zhluktov [1954-] - Perfect size for the NHL. Big center who also played as a LW.
Coaches liked him because he wasn’t your typical Soviet player. He wasn’t very fast on his skates, and he didn’t have the soft hands of his teammates, but he was strong on the puck and good around the net. Liked the smaller rinks where his style fit in well. Drafted by Minnesota back in the days.
National team stats: 243-107-95-202


Honorable mentions to Vladimir Golikov, Viktor Polupanov, Sergei Shepelev and Viktor Yakushev. Most of Sergei Fedorov’s career came after the Soviet era, so I do not have him on the list.
 
Without ranking them. Probable top ten in alphabetical order.

Great list. I guess I would put Viktor Yakushev in the top 10 (either over Zhluktov or – if we wanted to discount for level of competition – one out of Shuvalov and Guryshev), but that's nitpicking.
 
I would name Petrov #1. National team coaches initially (and publicly) chastised him for being lazy, which is why he never got the awards he deserved, but he consistently lead the league in goals and points.

Fedorov vs. Malkin is a great argument that, to me, is an excellent example of how having a greater career does not translate into being a better player and vice versa.
 
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And how do you define the "best center at the WC's"?

In the World Championships the award was for the best forward, not for the best center.

Then there was the All Star team in which they choose a forward line, a defensive pairing and a goalie. It wasn't so that the forward line of the All Star team had to include one LW, one C and one RW.

For example in the 1981 World Championships the forward line of the All Star team was Sergei Kapustin, Alexander Maltsev and Sergei Makarov. It might look as if Maltsev was the "center" of that line, but in that tournament Maltsev didn't play one game at center position but as a RW in a line of Nikolai Drozdetsky and Vladimir Golikov.
 
Better in what? Harder shot?
Vladimir Petrov was a better hockey player than Alexander Maltsev. He was better defensively. He was stronger. He was a better playmaker. And yes he had a better shot. Petrov is very underrated.
 
As for Maltsev he rarely played at center.

He played center regularly for Dinamo Moscow and while he sure played more at right wing than at center with the national team, rarely is an exaggeration.

Wing only:
1970 WCH, 1975 WCH, 1977 WCH, 1981 WCH, 1981 Canada Cup

Mostly wing, but some center:
1972 Olympics, 1973 WCH, 1974 WCH, 1974 Summit Series, 1976 Canada Cup, 1978 WCH

Mostly center, but some wing:
1972 Summit Series

C only:
1969 WCH, 1971 WCH, 1972 WCH, 1976 WCH
 
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And how do you define the "best center at the WC's"?

In the World Championships the award was for the best forward, not for the best center.

Then there was the All Star team in which they choose a forward line, a defensive pairing and a goalie. It wasn't so that the forward line of the All Star team had to include one LW, one C and one RW.

For example in the 1981 World Championships the forward line of the All Star team was Sergei Kapustin, Alexander Maltsev and Sergei Makarov. It might look as if Maltsev was the "center" of that line, but in that tournament Maltsev didn't play one game at center position but as a RW in a line of Nikolai Drozdetsky and Vladimir Golikov.

Re: All-Star teams, it very well may be true for the 1981 WHC, but otherwise the World Championship's All-Star teams followed the standard LW-C-RW pattern. It wasn't merely a "forward line". There are plenty of examples in 70s and 80s where a player with a 4th to 6th best voting record out of all forwards still got into the official all-star team precisely because that player happened to receive the most votes from a certain LW, C or RW position.
 

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