Who is Meeting, Exceeding or Falling Short of Expectations?

[NotWendell]

Are the players on - or expected to be on - the opening day roster meeting your expectations, falling short of your expectations or exceeding your expectations so far this season? This exercise says as much about us (our expectations) as it does the team (their performance). Here's mine:

FORWARDS:
Dubinsky: Meets
Foligno: Meets (after a season of falling short)
Wennberg: Exceeds
Saad: Meets
Jenner: Short
Atkinson: Meets
Hartnell: Meets
Sedlak: Meets
Anderson: Exceeds
Bjorkstrand: Short (expected to make the team)
Calvert: Meets
Gagner: Exceeds
Karlsson: Meets
Hannikainen: Meets
Miano: Meets

DEFENSE:
Jones: Meets
Werenski: Exceeds
Murray: Meets (maybe this could be Short)
Johnson: Meets
Savard: Meets
Nutivaara: Exceeds
Prout: Meets (never had high expectations of him)
Harrington: Meets

GOALIE:
Bobrovsky: Meets
McEilhinney: Meets
Korpisalo: Short
Forsberg: Short (.921 avg is not bad, but I expect more of him at the AHL level)

COACHING STAFF:
Exceeds

FRONT OFFICE:
Meets

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[Nanabijou]

Don't really disagree with any of your assessments, although I might switch two if I had to:

Foligno: exceeds - yes, maybe this rebound was expected of him, but I wasn't sure that two years ago wasn't a fluke and he's matured into the captain role more than I was expecting this year.

Murray: short - was expecting a big year after being paired with Jones in the World Cup - I know you were debating to go this way too.

 

[major major]

I'd change a few based on my own expectations:

Murray, Dubi short,

Foligno, Hannikainen, Sedlak, Gagner, Saad, and Johnson all exceed my expectations.

 

[WannabeFinn]

FORWARDS:
Dubinsky: Short
Foligno: Exceeds
Wennberg: Exceeds
Saad: Exceeds
Jenner: Short
Atkinson: Exceeds
Hartnell: Meets
Sedlak: Exceeds
Anderson: Exceeds
Bjorkstrand: Short
Calvert: Meets
Gagner: Exceeds
Karlsson: Exceeds
Hannikainen: Meets
Milano: Meets

DEFENSE:
Jones: Meets
Werenski: Exceeds
Murray: Short/Meets
Johnson: Exceeds defensively, short offensively
Savard: Meets
Nutivaara: Exceeds
Prout: Meets
Harrington: Meets

GOALIE:
Bobrovsky: Exceeds
McEilhinney: Exceeds
Korpisalo: Short
Forsberg: Meets

COACHING STAFF:
Exceeds

FRONT OFFICE:
Meets

 

[EspenK]

Are the players on - or expected to be on - the opening day roster meeting your expectations, falling short of your expectations or exceeding your expectations so far this season? This exercise says as much about us (our expectations) as it does the team (their performance). Here's mine:

FORWARDS:
Dubinsky: Meets Short but gaining on meets
Foligno: Meets (after a season of falling short) Exceeds I had him at 40-50 pts
Wennberg: Exceeds
Saad: Meets
Jenner: Short
Atkinson: Meets - Slightly exceeds
Hartnell: Meets
Sedlak: Meets
Anderson: Exceeds
Bjorkstrand: Short (expected to make the team)
Calvert: Meets
Gagner: Exceeds
Karlsson: Meets
Hannikainen: Meets
Miano: Meets

DEFENSE:
Jones: Meets
Werenski: Exceeds
Murray: Meets (maybe this could be Short)
Johnson: Meets
Savard: Meets
Nutivaara: Exceeds
Prout: Meets (never had high expectations of him)
Harrington: Meets

GOALIE:
Bobrovsky: Meets Exceeds - he is flashing Vezina form
McEilhinney: Meets
Korpisalo: Short
Forsberg: Short (.921 avg is not bad, but I expect more of him at the AHL level)

COACHING STAFF:
Exceeds

FRONT OFFICE:
Meets

Mostly agree except for bolded.

Obviously the team has far exceeded my expectations.

 

[We Want Ten]

Nothing new to add, but Bjork and Jenner is on my most disappointed short list. Jenner is heating up though so there is hope he can put together a good year still. Not 30 G good, but if he can get into the 20's I would consider that to be good.
Bjork, I just hope he gets another chance, I thought he would be tearing it up. I'm not even sure how well he is doing in Cleveland right now, but with Anderson playing very well, who knows when we might see him again.
Bob, Werenski, Cmac, and Anderson are playing suprising well to me. In all honesty, I could list a half dozen players in the exceed column and still forget someone though. As a whole, the team is exceeding at this point IMO.

 

[Columbus Jack]

Id honestly think about throwing Savard in the "exceeds" column, dude has been solid and I dont thinks anyone really expected it. Nutivaara could play more as well.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

FORWARDS:
Dubinsky: Short
Foligno: Exceeds
Wennberg: Exceeds by a lot
Saad: Meets
Jenner: Short
Atkinson: Meets
Hartnell: Meets
Sedlak: Meets
Anderson: Exceeds
Bjorkstrand: Short
Calvert: Meets
Gagner: Exceeds
Karlsson: Exceeds
Hannikainen: Meets
Milano: Short

DEFENSE:
Jones: Meets
Werenski: Exceeds
Murray: Short
Johnson: Exceeds
Savard: Exceeds
Nutivaara: Exceeds, of course I had no expectations of him
Prout: Meets
Harrington: Meets

GOALIE:
Bobrovsky: Exceeds
McEilhinney: Exceeds
Korpisalo: Short

 

[Samkow]

Nothing new to add, but Bjork and Jenner is on my most disappointed short list. Jenner is heating up though so there is hope he can put together a good year still. Not 30 G good, but if he can get into the 20's I would consider that to be good.
Bjork, I just hope he gets another chance, I thought he would be tearing it up. I'm not even sure how well he is doing in Cleveland right now, but with Anderson playing very well, who knows when we might see him again.
Bob, Werenski, Cmac, and Anderson are playing suprising well to me. In all honesty, I could list a half dozen players in the exceed column and still forget someone though. As a whole, the team is exceeding at this point IMO.

With all due respect, some of you guys had wildly unrealistic expectations for Bjorkstrand that he'd never meet.

 

[JacketsDavid]

FORWARDS:
Dubinsky: Meets
Foligno: Exceeds
Wennberg: Exceeds
Saad: Meets
Jenner: Short
Atkinson: Exceeds
Hartnell: Meets
Sedlak: Exceeds
Anderson: Exceeds
Calvert: Meets
Gagner: Exceeds
Karlsson: Exceeds

DEFENSE:
Jones: Exceeds - he was -11 in 41 games last year
Werenski: FAR Exceeds
Murray: Short
Johnson: Exceeds
Savard: Exceeds
Nutivaara: Exceeds
Prout: Meets
Harrington: Meets

GOALIE:
Bobrovsky: Exceeds
McEilhinney: Exceeds

COACHING STAFF:
Exceeds

FRONT OFFICE:
Meets - they didn't have any options to change the team except for shedding a couple of salaries. We'll see what they do at the deadline.

 

[hardkorejackets]

Bjork, I just hope he gets another chance, I thought he would be tearing it up. I'm not even sure how well he is doing in Cleveland right now, but with Anderson playing very well, who knows when we might see him again.
.

Just stat watching, he has been alright at Cleveland. He has 11 points in 18 games, 7 goals.. Personally, I'm in the boat- That unless there are injuries or his/Milano/Korpi's play starts to force that you bring them up, I let them play in Cleveland.

 

[DarkandStormy]

WannbeFin's list is my list.

Dubinsky - we're not paying him to be a 27 point center (his current pace)
Foligno - has to be exceeds. Last year was terrible for him, but he's on pace for 70+ points which would far exceed his contract value.
Jenner - has fallen off a cliff after last year's 30-goal effort. On pace for less than 30 points this season.
Murray/Johnson - could say meets, but that's mostly because of the emergence of Werenski on the PP and top pair. Ideally, these guys should have SOME goals and more points 23 games in.

 

[We Want Ten]

Just stat watching, he has been alright at Cleveland. He has 11 points in 18 games, 7 goals.. Personally, I'm in the boat- That unless there are injuries or his/Milano/Korpi's play starts to force that you bring them up, I let them play in Cleveland.

An injury call up would be the only way he could make it back right now with how well the team is playing IMO.

With all due respect, some of you guys had wildly unrealistic expectations for Bjorkstrand that he'd never meet.

I'd have to check my past posts, but I don't think I was one of those claiming he'd score 30G or such. I figured he had the opportunity and talent to make a legitimate impact here though. I am just surprised he had such a short leash and comparing the chances Milano got, I figured we would see him back by now. Unfortunately for Bjork, the players in front of him have done very well.

It must suck for Bjork, but its a good problem for the club and fans. I'm just glad Kerby's dad isn't his at this point.

 

[MoeBartoli]

My list is very similar to Lee's original gradings with these differences:

Dubi - short
Cam - exceeds. He has posted great numbers playing with two linemates with grades of "short"
Foligno - exceeds. Not only is is scoring ahead of where I expected in a bounce back year, he has been the undisputed leader of this team.
Murray - short
Johnson - exceeds. My grade is based on a solid rise from the baseline he had set (which was not good).
Bob - meets if based on the high expectations I have of him, but certainly exceeds recent years performances.

 

[Nordique]

I'm not overly impressed with any individual player this season, outside of Anderson and Werenski just because they are producing at or above veteran levels.

We are hands down the best team in the league without a top 20 forward, top 10 dman, or top 5 goalie (statistically speaking).

That speak volumes about the success and sustainability of this team.

 

[major major]

I'm not overly impressed with any individual player this season, outside of Anderson and Werenski just because they are producing at or above veteran levels.

We are hands down the best team in the league without a top 20 forward, top 10 dman, or top 5 goalie (statistically speaking).

That speak volumes about the success and sustainability of this team.

Are we better than the Rangers hands down?

I don't know what lists you are appealing to, it really depends on what you are measuring. If it's this year the Jackets have Saad in between McDavid and Crosby on ES P/60, and Atkinson, Foligno and Wennberg all also in the top 20 in points per game. Werenski is in the top 10 in D scoring. Bob has a .930 sv%.

I don't know how much of that is sustainable, but I will argue that this is a skilled team.

 

[DarkandStormy]

You could make an argument that Atksinon/Saad/Wennberg/Foligno are all right there at that top 20 line of forwards, and Werenski is a top 10 Dman if you look at point production.

 

[Crede777]

For my personal expectatations:

Meeting:
Bobrovsky (he's a top paid goalie, the team relies on him to play like a top-5 one)
Jones (Expected him to establish himself as a top pairing player)
Johnson (Expected good 2nd pairing guy)
Saad (Expected 30 goals, near PPG)
Atkinson (Expected close to 30 goals)
Calvert (Expected him to be a 3rd/4th line catalyst)
Murray (Expected him to be quiet but stable #2/3 player)
Savard (Expected him to be a good 2nd pairing guy)
McElhinney (Expected him to only be in 15-20 games but be OK)
Dubinsky (Expected him to be our top defensive center)
Hartnell (Expected ~20 goals)

Exceeding
Werenski (Expected him to start out on the 3rd pairing and have some issues adjusting)
Karlsson (Expected him to be a 4th line ~30 point guy)
Wennberg (Expected 10 goals, 40 assists, 50 points)
Foligno (Expected 20 goals, 20 assists)
Gagner (Didn't know if he'd stick with the team)
Anderson (Expected 4th line NHL/AHL tweener)
Nutivaara (Expected him to go back to Europe or the AHL)

Falling Short
Bjorkstrand (Expected 20 goals, 20 assists)
Jenner (Expected 30 goals)
Korpisalo (Expected him to establish himself as a 1B guy)

 

[Nordique]

Are we better than the Rangers hands down?

I don't know what lists you are appealing to, it really depends on what you are measuring. If it's this year the Jackets have Saad in between McDavid and Crosby on ES P/60, and Atkinson, Foligno and Wennberg all also in the top 20 in points per game. Werenski is in the top 10 in D scoring. Bob has a .930 sv%.

I don't know how much of that is sustainable, but I will argue that this is a skilled team.

If you apply per game weighting, then a few of our guys break into the top levels, but the point is simply that outside of the Calder, you won't see any individual award nominees from this team based on current stats.

Bob is statistically 6th in the league based on sv% and gaa. He isn't carrying the team, and no single skater is having a Rocket, Hart, or Norris level season.

We have a winning system and 18 skaters that buy into it, plus a solid #1 goalie and backup. My point is that is a good thing.

 

[major major]

Murray (Expected him to be quiet but stable #2/3 player)

Do you think he's been that? I like the way he is starting to move in the last few games, but I'd count this year as his worst as a pro, to start. I agree with those who say he's been more of a 4/5. I thought he was a stable 2/3 in the last half of last year so I'm definitely disappointed.

 

[Xoggz22]

Only targeting those actually on the 22 man roster and for their contributions (not just points)....

Exceeds
Wennberg
Foligno
Anderson
Atkinson
Gagner
Werenski
Johnson
Bobrovsky

Meets
Saad
Hartnell
Karlsson
Sedlak
Calvert
Savard
Nutivaara
McIlhenney

Short
Dubinsky
Jenner
Murray

Hard to grade Prout and Harrington - neither stood out in a good or bad manner in a limited showing. I also tried to base this off historical precedent and pundits and league wide expectations. The CBJ as a team is far exceeding expectation and the moves, such as Murray to the 3rd pair, have made this team better which can also hamper their contributions. Solid team, top to bottom right now.

 

[NotWendell]

I'm not overly impressed with any individual player this season, outside of Anderson and Werenski just because they are producing at or above veteran levels.

We are hands down the best team in the league without a top 20 forward, top 10 dman, or top 5 goalie (statistically speaking).

That speak volumes about the success and sustainability of this team.

Not a single star player on the squad, except maybe Bobrovsky.

 

[Yggdrasil]

I'm not overly impressed with any individual player this season, outside of Anderson and Werenski just because they are producing at or above veteran levels.

We are hands down the best team in the league without a top 20 forward, top 10 dman, or top 5 goalie (statistically speaking).

That speak volumes about the success and sustainability of this team.

90% on the coach, Torts found his new home.

 

[Dr. Fire]

There is some disagreement here on Murray. I say he meets expectations. The only reason I think some "short" him is because his play has been overshadowed by Werenski, and Jones. Those two have been playing in situations where maybe Murray gets the opportunities otherwise. He is doing just fine in his current role.

We all agree that Jenner has been short, but he has really picked up his game in the last little while. His rating should change if he keeps rebounding.

 

[Nanabijou]

There is some disagreement here on Murray. I say he meets expectations. The only reason I think some "short" him is because his play has been overshadowed by Werenski, and Jones. Those two have been playing in situations where maybe Murray gets the opportunities otherwise. He is doing just fine in his current role.

We all agree that Jenner has been short, but he has really picked up his game in the last little while. His rating should change if he keeps rebounding.

He's doing fine in his current role, but I expected him to be a first pairing defenseman alongside Jones this year. Thus, he has fallen short of my expectations while Werenski (who I expected to be on the third pairing) has exceeded them.

For a #2 overall pick to be a third pairing D 4 years after being drafted...I'd say that is not quite the expectations we had for him. That said, I think he'll settle in as a solid second pairing D with Savard in the years going forward, so that should be a real good top 4.