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Which position's respective attributes is it more imperative to upgrade?

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3rdlineglory

3rdlineglory

Korsi Kevin
Dec 1, 2012
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Mahopac, NY
While the guys in the center and blue line positions are pretty good in general, I noticed posters pointing out each of their respective deficiencies when it comes to contributing to winning games and not just this season, but in the last few years. I also feel like the group of players in each are a little redundant in terms of the type of players they are.

The trade deadline is approaching, but I doubt Sather can fix even one at the moment so I figured it would be more appropriate of discussing options that might be more viable this offseason and beyond in addition to what can be done now. What would be the most realistic and effective way of going about it? Trade? FA? Prospect promotion? Draft? It would be hard to fix both without gutting other areas of the roster so if you had to choose which position's respective attributes to improve, which one should Sather should focus on more?
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Improving the center position, but getting more offense from the blueline is a close second. Most cup-winners appear to have a combination of both (Toews/Keith, Kopitar/Doughty, etc.)
 
OverTheCap said:
Improving the center position, but getting more offense from the blueline is a close second. Most cup-winners appear to have a combination of both (Toews/Keith, Kopitar/Doughty, etc.)
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Exactly what I've been saying. Those are two clear holes IMO. Being mediocre on FOs doesn't help either, especially since our best face-off men by far are bottom-6'ers.
 
OverTheCap said:
Improving the center position, but getting more offense from the blueline is a close second. Most cup-winners appear to have a combination of both (Toews/Keith, Kopitar/Doughty, etc.)
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you notice a trend. they were drafted by their own team.. Rangers should keep the 1st round pick and draft their own superstar. it is not that hard to do :help: Penguins Ducks Hawks Kings all have 2 superstars that they drafted..
 
Of all the units (C, LW, RW, LD, RD, G), center is the weakest on this team. Additionally, center is arguably the most important unit in today's game.
 
Punxrocknyc19 said:
you notice a trend. they were drafted by their own team.. Rangers should keep the 1st round pick and draft their own superstar. it is not that hard to do :help: Penguins Ducks Hawks Kings all have 2 superstars that they drafted..
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Pens:
Crosby - 1st overall
Malkin - 2nd overall

Ducks
Getzlaf - 54th overall
Perry - 28th overall

Hawks
Toews - 3rd overall
Kane - 1st overall

Kings
Doughty - 2nd overall
Kopitar - 11th overall

Of all the teams you mentioned, only the Ducks have superstars that were drafted with picks the Rangers could reasonably expect to have if they hold on to their picks. Kopitar is just on the edge, but I'd count him too as 11th isn't completely unrealistic.

It's not hard to draft superstars overall, but it is hard to draft superstars with late picks and without the benefit of hindsight.

Having said that, the more picks you have, the better your odds are at finding those late gems. And even aside from that, I agree that the Rangers need to keep their 1sts. However, I wouldn't say that it's easy to find superstars in the draft.

Also, lets not forget that the Rangers got their superstar goalie in the draft, and McD may well end up becoming a superstar and they got him by fleecing another team in a trade.
 
haveandare said:
Pens:
Crosby - 1st overall
Malkin - 2nd overall

Ducks
Getzlaf - 54th overall
Perry - 28th overall

Hawks
Toews - 3rd overall
Kane - 1st overall

Kings
Doughty - 2nd overall
Kopitar - 11th overall

Of all the teams you mentioned, only the Ducks have superstars that were drafted with picks the Rangers could reasonably expect to have if they hold on to their picks. Kopitar is just on the edge, but I'd count him too as 11th isn't completely unrealistic.

It's not hard to draft superstars overall, but it is hard to draft superstars with late picks and without the benefit of hindsight.

Having said that, the more picks you have, the better your odds are at finding those late gems. And even aside from that, I agree that the Rangers need to keep their 1sts. However, I wouldn't say that it's easy to find superstars in the draft.

Also, lets not forget that the Rangers got their superstar goalie in the draft, and McD may well end up becoming a superstar and they got him by fleecing another team in a trade.
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Red Wings seem to find NHL talent with the later picks. Blackhawks as well, Shaw, Saad, Kruger (all drafted by Hawks not 1st round picks) if you have good scouts, you can find those type of players... it does not matter where you draft, as long as you have the scouts to find that talent....
 
How about option 3: skating and creative puck movement from the middle of the ice (preferably with some size)?

I like MZA, he's a talented playmaker. But this team needs an elite playmaker, and most of those players are centers, with exceptions like Kane and St. Louis.
 
haveandare said:
Pens:
Crosby - 1st overall
Malkin - 2nd overall

Ducks
Getzlaf - 54th overall
Perry - 28th overall

Hawks
Toews - 3rd overall
Kane - 1st overall

Kings
Doughty - 2nd overall
Kopitar - 11th overall

Of all the teams you mentioned, only the Ducks have superstars that were drafted with picks the Rangers could reasonably expect to have if they hold on to their picks. Kopitar is just on the edge, but I'd count him too as 11th isn't completely unrealistic.

It's not hard to draft superstars overall, but it is hard to draft superstars with late picks and without the benefit of hindsight.

Having said that, the more picks you have, the better your odds are at finding those late gems. And even aside from that, I agree that the Rangers need to keep their 1sts. However, I wouldn't say that it's easy to find superstars in the draft.

Also, lets not forget that the Rangers got their superstar goalie in the draft, and McD may well end up becoming a superstar and they got him by fleecing another team in a trade.
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Agree with your overall point, but Getzlaf was taken 19th overall.
 
Size, skill and skating down the middle.

Big centers talent that can skate have an ability to impose their will on a game in a more impactful way than offensive defenders.
 
pld459666 said:
would love that.

How did the MRI on his fingers look?

He took a nasty shot off his hand during the olympics.

He would be a good add
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id love that too. big center that is a pest at times.. i wonder if a signed Callahan would get it done..


Kesler makes less than at 5 mil per year, less than Callahan would make on the open market and what Callahan wants, and Callahan never had 2 back to back 70 pt season...:laugh:
 
Not likely to pick up elite players from the mid 1st round picks of any draft on. You get lucky sometimes. Rangers got lucky with Lundqvist. Duncan Keith was a really small undersized d-man when he was drafted in the 2nd by the Blackhawks in 2002. He's their Lundqvist. 99 times out of a 100 a guy like Keith doesn't pan out the way he did.

Guys like Doughty and Toews we were never in contention for. If Cherpanov hadn't died we might have a really good one there. Scouting is one thing--how the player develops is another. Luck plays a part as well.

You can follow the Hockey News draft issue and say this guy and that guy or any other draft related entity. There are always surprises that pop up--sometimes guys not too many have heard of. Derek Stepan comes to mind--Dubinsky was not really at the high end of too many lists either. And Dubinsky is a good one to keep in mind. When we drafted him he was a 5'10" 165lb. 18 year old. Voted most hated player in his conference he was a super pest that modeled his game after Darcy Tucker. A couple years later he's a 6' 1" and growing 200 lb. player who's trying to figure out how to transition his small body pest type of game into a power forward's game. Drafting guys at 18 years old there's so much that you're not going to know that you would if you drafted them at 20 years old. In Dubi's case there was no way of knowing he was going to be a much bigger player.

There's usually 4 or 5 guys that really stand out any draft and after that there are no guarantees.
 
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