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Where Does Bill Ranford Rank All Time?

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After his Conn Smythe and Cup victory in 1990, the Oilers basically were gutted as a team, but Bill Ranford retained his reputation as a great goalie on an awful team, despite getting lit up on a regular basis and posting save percentages around the .890s and GAA routinely over 3.50. Despite posting horrible numbers on the awful Oilers he was still traded for a great package when he was moved back to Boston in 1996, where he also sucked. I always thought he was incredibly overrated with a game that didn't suit the game in the 90s and his reputation came off of that one great playoff run. That said, where does he rank all time? Was he a great goalie stuck in a bad situation for his prime, or was he a mediocre goalie living on reputation/absolved from his bad performances by the awful teams in front of him?
 
Probably an average goalie who had an great 2 year run. He was awesome in the 1990 playoffs. In fairness to him, most goalies in the 80's and early 90's had save percentages around .890. The good ones were closer to .900 with Roy being around .910 if I recall correctly.
 
I have him at #47 on the goalie list. Hrudey and Burke never won a Conn Smythe.
 
He didn't crack the top-60 goaltenders (720 player picks) in the 2010 All-Time Draft. He was the 69th goalie selected, 769th overall, the 9th goalie taken in the minor league draft:

1. Riley Hern, G
4. Tom Paton, G
11. Mike Karakas, G
15. Don Edwards, G
26. Pete Peeters, G
27. Kirk McLean, G
28. Miikka Kiprusoff, G
44. Olaf Kolzig, G
49. Bill Ranford, G
127. Sugar Jim Henry, G
130. Wilf Cude, G
138. Henrik Lundqvist, G
141. Nikolay Puchkov, G
153. Ryan Miller, G
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Not a HHOFer by any means. He had a two year run that is up there with the prime of many HHOFers though. A Cup and a Conn Smythe in 1990. Canada Cup starting goalie in 1991 and Canada Cup MVP. Not bad.

But very little outside of that. In 1996 he was selected to play in the World Cup. How that happened I have no idea. For whatever reason guys like Belfour and Roy were not selected to the team. It was a weird year in general for selections though.

Some people have mentioned that his career value is not that much worse than Richter's. It's close enough I'll admit, but Richter would have a better shot at the HHOF for sure.

Ranford being compared to Sean Burke earlier is valid.
 
Two year wonder, and didn't do crap outside those two years basically. But damn, Conn Smythe and Canada Cup MVP - those were an amazing 2 years!
 
He didn't crack the top-60 goaltenders (720 player picks) in the 2010 All-Time Draft. He was the 69th goalie selected, 769th overall, the 9th goalie taken in the minor league draft:


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VI, that's pretty much were Ranford belongs. Wouldn't pick him ahead of anybody picked prior to him. I prefer Henry and Miller, but that's more of an "opinion" than anything else.
 
I have him at #47 on the goalie list. Hrudey and Burke never won a Conn Smythe.

... But Hrudey finished top ten in SV% six times, Burke four times, and Ranford once.

Ranford's best SV% in the playoffs was .912 in 1990, his Smythe year. Hrudey beat that in 1987, with a mark of .918. Burke's best in the playoffs was .904.

I would say that Hrudey was the best of the three.
 
In regards to the 96 World Cup, Roy always turned those opportunities down. That is why I had such a problem with giving him the starting job in the olympics.
 
Two year wonder, and didn't do crap outside those two years basically. But damn, Conn Smythe and Canada Cup MVP - those were an amazing 2 years!

Ranford did keep a lot of would-be blowouts respectable during the post-dynasty dark ages of the Oilers franchise. He was a decent goaltender on a terrible team for a few years, and I think by the time he was traded his confidence was pretty much shot. Maybe a two-year wonder in terms of being an elite-level goaltender, but he had a few more seasons that were no worse than average, despite what the save % numbers would indicate.
 
In regards to the 96 World Cup, Roy always turned those opportunities down. That is why I had such a problem with giving him the starting job in the olympics.

From what I remember, Roy wasn't even selected! This was done in the spring of 1996 before his Cup win. At the time the coach of Canada was to be Scotty Bowman. He didn't like Roy one bit, so you could say politics took place. Sather eventually ended up being the coach.

Belfour was still saddled with a label that he couldn't win in big games so I guess they figure that after what Ranford did in 1991 he wouldn't be a bad third stringer. Still weird though
 
VI, that's pretty much were Ranford belongs. Wouldn't pick him ahead of anybody picked prior to him. I prefer Henry and Miller, but that's more of an "opinion" than anything else.
I do too. I picked Miller later on that draft. I think Miller and Lundqvist better goalies overall. They may not have reached such an honored peak but they have a solid international tourney resume and a long history of solid play. It really all comes down to how much a Conn Smythe matters.

Would I rank Sugar Jim ahead of Ranford? Sometimes, no, sometimes yes.

...Sugar Jim Henry.

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Henry had a fine first year, recording 7 shutouts and leading Boston to the playoffs, losing to the Montreal Canadiens in a memorable first round series. In those 1952 playoffs Henry is remembered in one of the most dramatic hockey photos of all time. The image showed Henry, right eye blackened, shaking hands in the ultimate sign of respect with Maurice "Rocket" Richard, the man who scored the over time winning goal in game seven.

1951-52 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)

Wins

1941-42 NHL 29 (1)
1952-53 NHL 28 (2)
1953-54 NHL 32 (2)
1951-52 NHL 25 (4)
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Ranford was an average to mediocre goalie who rode that Cup and Conn Smythe for the rest of his career. His outdated playing style killed his career and the game left him behind in the mid 90s. He was smart to retire at age 33.
 
I don't think Ranford rates anywhere. Unless you are ranking Oilers all time goaltending but definately not league wide.

He had a great couple years but the league is littered with those kinds of guys.
 
I don't think Ranford rates anywhere. Unless you are ranking Oilers all time goaltending but definately not league wide.

He had a great couple years but the league is littered with those kinds of guys.

The league is littred with conn smythe winning goalis?

Ranford was an average to mediocre goalie who rode that Cup and Conn Smythe for the rest of his career. His outdated playing style killed his career and the game left him behind in the mid 90s. He was smart to retire at age 33.

He retired because of (I believe) back spasms. Which he started to have during the '95 season.

In my opinion, Ranford is both underrated and overrated. He's defintly not one of the best but he was definitly not average to mediocre (which is the same thing by the way).
 
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The league is littred with conn smythe winning goalis?

That's all it takes is winning a piece of hardware?

So Hextall would rank as well? Barrasso? Carey? Theodore? Giguere? Nabokov? Raycroft? Mason?

All of those guys have won atleast one piece of major hardware and none of them should be in consideration for an "All time" ranking.

And by littered I mean players, not just goalies, that get remembered for one or two real good years.
 
After his Conn Smythe and Cup victory in 1990, the Oilers basically were gutted as a team, but Bill Ranford retained his reputation as a great goalie on an awful team, despite getting lit up on a regular basis and posting save percentages around the .890s and GAA routinely over 3.50. Despite posting horrible numbers on the awful Oilers he was still traded for a great package when he was moved back to Boston in 1996, where he also sucked. I always thought he was incredibly overrated with a game that didn't suit the game in the 90s and his reputation came off of that one great playoff run. That said, where does he rank all time? Was he a great goalie stuck in a bad situation for his prime, or was he a mediocre goalie living on reputation/absolved from his bad performances by the awful teams in front of him?

Not very high. If he could have stopped a just a few beachballs that were shot at him the 1999 playoffs DRW's may have 3peated.
 
The league is littred with conn smythe winning goalis?

I think the Conn Smyth is overrated. All it means is that a guy had a great playoff run. And I don't want to discount that, because it's an important part of any player's resume. Don't get me wrong on that. But it's a short sample size, and there have been plenty of guys who have had great playoff runs and never won the Smyth due to a lack of team success or simply having another player play even better.

Ranford is a guy who really did only have a couple great moments. He had some good years, but was never consistently one of the best goalies in the league. To me he's like Mike Richter without the consistency, longevity, or regular season stats.
 
If Cam Ward were to retire today, who would you rank higher in the best goalies of all time?

I think they are having similar career numbers thus far. I never watched Ranford play, but after watching highlights of the 90 playoffs, he is one of my favorite goalies along with Ward, Roloson and Hextall.
 
If Cam Ward were to retire today, who would you rank higher in the best goalies of all time?

honestly, they'd be pretty damn close. Ranford's Smythe is just about his sole moment as an elite NHL goalie. Most people would say Cam Ward has been in the top 6-10 goalies in the league for three seasons now.
 
honestly, they'd be pretty damn close. Ranford's Smythe is just about his sole moment as an elite NHL goalie. Most people would say Cam Ward has been in the top 6-10 goalies in the league for three seasons now.

I'm obviously biased, but he did pull a Canada Cup MVP in '91, and was on the '96 World Cup team. Ward hasn't been on a best on best team, let alone started, let alone got the tournament MVP.

Ranford was also in net for Canada during the '94 World Championship Gold medal, the first gold for Canada since '61.

Another overlooked aspect is that the Oilers made the conference finals in both '91 and '92. '92 was post Messier, post-everybody really, with top scorers of damphousse and murphy.

His numbers are not very sexy, but he backstopped a pathetic Oiler squad of the mid-90s during his prime years. He is not even close to being considered an excellent regular season goalie. However, his continued tournament and postseason performance were commendable, and does give some best all-time conversation credence.

His technique was sort of the last, most fully realized homage to great 80s stand-up hybrid style. He battled hard, kicked pucks out with a trademark flair, and had one of the more controlled and effective pad stacks of all time, even going totally vertical with both legs straight up in the air. At his prime, he certainly was one of the more entertaining goaltenders to watch. But yes, technique evolved, and he did not, and he soon found himself outclassed in the mid to late 90s.

From a personal angle, I grew up watching him, and to this day style my play on his. At least once a year, an opposing player or goalie will tell me after a game that I remind them a lot of Ranford. I feel like it's my little part of keeping his legacy alive.
 
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