Olympics: When will the decision be made re: Russian participation?

[ellja3]

I would like to start off by saying - clearly this can be viewed as political post, but, truth to be told - it is not.

RU (non)participation clearly affects how groups will be seeded and therefore also the schedule. Tickets go on sale February 2025, with hospitality deals offering some packages already now (me having signed up to such offering). Understandably, if you offer tickets/packages/whatever format - there has to be clarity regarding group stage/schedule.

Therefore, I am curious whether someone has any additional information timing of decision for (non)participation

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[Eye of Ra]

Who cares. They never win anyways in best on best. Last time they did was back in 1981 lol.

 

[ViD]

Who cares. They never win anyways in best on best. Last time they did was back in 1981 lol.

Yes. Let’s have Canada play Canada then

 

[Iceberg9]

there is zero chance russia will play. Their participation would be an embarrassment. It is not gonna happen tho

 

[bv29]

Who cares. They never win anyways in best on best. Last time they did was back in 1981 lol.

They really had an easy time winning Golds in 2008. and 2009. by beating two bad amateur Canadian teams.
I am following international hockey for very long time and one of the most boring tournaments ever were 2014. Olympics.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The President of the Russian Olympic Committee views it as unlikely. IIHF likely follows the lead of the IOC. I think the IIFH has stated they will make a decision in February or March of 2025.

 

[ViD]

there is zero chance russia will play. Their participation would be an embarrassment. It is not gonna happen tho

An embarrassment ? For who ?

 

[SoundAndFury]

I mean there is no way the war ends within a reasonable time frame or, more importantly, with sufficient face-saving from both sides. If Russia "wins" inviting them would be too big of an insult to the international community and if they lose/aren't appeased they will basically make themselves unavailable.

 

[Namejs]

Russia will have to wait at least until 2030.

 

[WarriorofTime]

I mean there is no way the war ends within a reasonable time frame or, more importantly, with sufficient face-saving from both sides. If Russia "wins" inviting them would be too big of an insult to the international community and if they lose/aren't appeased they will basically make themselves unavailable.

If Trump wins the Election, it is likely the blank check to Ukraine will be no more and there will likely be some attempt to sue for peace in the next six months. Maybe even sooner because things have been static for a while.

 

[ViD]

I mean there is no way the war ends within a reasonable time frame or, more importantly, with sufficient face-saving from both sides. If Russia "wins" inviting them would be too big of an insult to the international community and if they lose/aren't appeased they will basically make themselves unavailable.

What insult to the international community ? Israel is playing everywhere just fine and if we look at the latest BRICS summit the majority of the world is cool with Russia

 

[WarriorofTime]

What insult to the international community ? Israel is playing everywhere just fine and if we look at the latest BRICS summit the majority of the world is cool with Russia

Think they mean the NATO/West community. Despite all the gloomy predictions, the Russian economy continues to grow and is actually kinda thriving right now post-War. Turns out the world is a lot bigger than Europeans and North Americans are aware.

 

[Mathieukferland]

Trying to avoid politics as much as possible, this is just a question about rules and regulations; is there a reason the USSR was allowed to participate in the 1980 Olympics whilst involved in a war in a foreign country, but Russia in 2022 onwards is banned? Were there new rules put in place since 1980?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I mean there is no way the war ends within a reasonable time frame or, more importantly, with sufficient face-saving from both sides. If Russia "wins" inviting them would be too big of an insult to the international community and if they lose/aren't appeased they will basically make themselves unavailable.

World events spur action in stalemate wars. Depending on the results of the US election next week, there’s a real chance the war could be over in the next few months.

Trying to not make this post overly political or opinionated, but anyone that wants to look into that can. It’s pretty factual.

And to answer the initial post, I think the IIHF has been saying they want to make a decision in February or not long after.

 

[peconcan]

Trying to avoid politics as much as possible, this is just a question about rules and regulations; is there a reason the USSR was allowed to participate in the 1980 Olympics whilst involved in a war in a foreign country, but Russia in 2022 onwards is banned? Were there new rules put in place since 1980?

Probably has something to do with just how much the worlds changed since then, the influence of social media, internet etc. It sucks that athletes have to be the ones being effected but that’s just the way it is now

 

[Albatros]

Trying to avoid politics as much as possible, this is just a question about rules and regulations; is there a reason the USSR was allowed to participate in the 1980 Olympics whilst involved in a war in a foreign country, but Russia in 2022 onwards is banned? Were there new rules put in place since 1980?

In Afghanistan the Soviets were de jure fighting Islamist insurgents together with the Afghan government, however questionable its legitimacy or moral standing. Multiple countries were banned for having started a war of aggression both in 1920 and in 1948, so it’s most definitely nothing new. Germany was also banned in 1924, six years after the war had ended.

 

[WayTooCold]

We Canadians want to play the best. Not the little guys as Latvia, Norway and Finland.
Bring Russia back. We will give them a good beating.

Let Europe solve Europeans problems! We North Americans want to take a breather from world policing for a second please !!! And just play hockey.

Europe's problems are for Europe. Not for us.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

US should be banned if Russia is banned. World doesn’t only exist from Western POV.

 

[Namejs]

What insult to the international community ? Israel is playing everywhere just fine and if we look at the latest BRICS summit the majority of the world is cool with Russia

But no one said you can't have your own tournament with Brazil, India, China and South Africa

 

[Namejs]

We Canadians want to play the best. Not the little guys as Latvia, Norway and Finland.
Bring Russia back. We will give them a good beating.

Let Europe solve Europeans problems! We North Americans want to take a breather from world policing for a second please !!! And just play hockey.

Europe's problems are for Europe. Not for us.

You do realize North America only has a single vote in the IIHF Council? If the rest of them vote to ban Russia, you ain't playing Russia, honey.

And, newsflash, you're not policing shit in Ukraine. Most of the funding and most of the arms and equipment comes from outside of North America.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Think they mean the NATO/West community. Despite all the gloomy predictions, the Russian economy continues to grow and is actually kinda thriving right now post-War. Turns out the world is a lot bigger than Europeans and North Americans are aware.

It’s a high growth, high inflation economy ATM. Ie it’s what the US had 2021-2023

edit: but as the other poster pointed out below me, it’s far worse

Pretty much any nation that hasn’t completely ruined its currency can survive by initiating public debt to distribute currency across its private sector to therefore increase production for some period of time. For The question is how long can you survive doing that. For the United States, in which your currency is the international currency, it’s a long time. For Russia, not nearly as long.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Trying to avoid politics as much as possible, this is just a question about rules and regulations; is there a reason the USSR was allowed to participate in the 1980 Olympics whilst involved in a war in a foreign country, but Russia in 2022 onwards is banned? Were there new rules put in place since 1980?

There are no “rules”. It’s just a decision of IOC and individual sporting federations.

You do realize North America only has a single vote in the IIHF Council? If the rest of them vote to ban Russia, you ain't playing Russia, honey.

And, newsflash, you're not policing shit in Ukraine. Most of the funding and most of the arms and equipment comes from outside of North America.

The U.S. has sent about $60 billion. The next highest 9 nations combined have sent about $50 billion.

 

[Namejs]

Think they mean the NATO/West community. Despite all the gloomy predictions, the Russian economy continues to grow and is actually kinda thriving right now post-War. Turns out the world is a lot bigger than Europeans and North Americans are aware.

You're clearly not an economist. The Russian economy is a train wreck in slow motion. There's a massive artificial boost by state subsidies and general wartime spending which has created an increasingly overheated market with rising inflation and ridiculously high interest rates (21% and rising). The wages are rising due to a shortage of labor yet no increase in productivity. It's a massive, obvious, textbook bubble.

The Russian economy is increasingly fragile, the Russian shortage of manpower is so acute they're doubling and tripling and quadrupling wages and bonuses paid to soldiers, they're scraping the bottom of every third world barrel and trying to lure in random Sub-Saharan Africans and South Asians to sign contracts for them.

The Russian economy is not growing, it is inflating.

 

[WarriorofTime]

You're clearly not an economist. The Russian economy is a train wreck in slow motion.

The glum predictions continue. I'm sure the collapse is right around the corner, any day now those sanctions will have the intended effect and there will be a mass revolt as people starve in the streets....

 

[Namejs]

There are no “rules”. It’s just a decision of IOC and individual sporting federations.
The U.S. has sent about $60 billion. The next highest 9 nations combined have sent about $50 billion.