What Would You Do?
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brentashton
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I like how you phrased this. You’re keeping multiple options open here.
Another poll for cry babies. Fire this trade that. Don't do this. Wait.
Not one coherent plan. If you fire Jackson, Bowman, Schwartz,
And toss out the Skinners, etc etc., how and who will replace them in a realistic manner?
What kind of hockey do you want played given that you still have some of the core? Are you fixing what we have and continuing down this road of dipsy doodle top 6 and try to hold the fort bottom 6.
What type of defense do you want to run. Right now everyone wants a 2 way defenseman to run with Nursery. Most likely we need 2 RH D and make Emberson a 7th. What kind of D will you get. How will they fit in with the overall plan?
As far as Goalies how much $ are you going to commit? Dominik Hasek is not out there. You likely will have to choose between a much better D and readonable goaltentding OR stick mostly with the D we have and bring in a Strong Tender close to the deadline.
YOU ALL MUST KNOW BY NOW THAT THROWING SH-T AT THE WALL DOESN'T WORK AND MAKING SWEEPING CHANGES WITHOUT AN OVERALL PLAN JUST PLAIN SUCKS.
yes Stan Bowman mostly managed what Tallon built, though he was successful at that. Maybe at this point we need a little more builder rather than manager. LOL.
Given the last 6-8 months our Pro scouts are absolutely dismal.
Jeez, I apologize. Forgot for a moment that this place is about fantasy, working out frustrations, whining etc.
Not one coherent plan. If you fire Jackson, Bowman, Schwartz,
And toss out the Skinners, etc etc., how and who will replace them in a realistic manner?
What kind of hockey do you want played given that you still have some of the core? Are you fixing what we have and continuing down this road of dipsy doodle top 6 and try to hold the fort bottom 6.
What type of defense do you want to run. Right now everyone wants a 2 way defenseman to run with Nursery. Most likely we need 2 RH D and make Emberson a 7th. What kind of D will you get. How will they fit in with the overall plan?
As far as Goalies how much $ are you going to commit? Dominik Hasek is not out there. You likely will have to choose between a much better D and readonable goaltentding OR stick mostly with the D we have and bring in a Strong Tender close to the deadline.
YOU ALL MUST KNOW BY NOW THAT THROWING SH-T AT THE WALL DOESN'T WORK AND MAKING SWEEPING CHANGES WITHOUT AN OVERALL PLAN JUST PLAIN SUCKS.
yes Stan Bowman mostly managed what Tallon built, though he was successful at that. Maybe at this point we need a little more builder rather than manager. LOL.
Given the last 6-8 months our Pro scouts are absolutely dismal.
Jeez, I apologize. Forgot for a moment that this place is about fantasy, working out frustrations, whining etc.
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Jimmi McJenkins
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Fire Schwartz, Trade Jeff Skinner somewhere out East. Trade for Jet Greaves, Hunter Sheppard, Clay Stevenson, or Jake Allen if you want a Vet.
Make a trade for a Top-4 defenseman, preferably Mike Matheson or Marcus Pettersson.
Then see how it goes.
What I expect? Not much, and a plan for next year, per Stan.
Make a trade for a Top-4 defenseman, preferably Mike Matheson or Marcus Pettersson.
Then see how it goes.
What I expect? Not much, and a plan for next year, per Stan.
McDrai
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1. Fire Schwartz. This is the easiest decision of them all and we should be able to find a decent replacement (preferably an ex NHL goalie who understands the mental part of being a starter in this league).
2. Make a trade with San Jose for a goalie and tough player. Blackwood and Kostin make the most sense. We can buy low on Kostin as he would be a throw in at this point. I wonder if San Jose would bite on double Skinner in return.
These are the 2 main action items I would do right now. Then evaluate how the team does during the coming weeks.
2. Make a trade with San Jose for a goalie and tough player. Blackwood and Kostin make the most sense. We can buy low on Kostin as he would be a throw in at this point. I wonder if San Jose would bite on double Skinner in return.
These are the 2 main action items I would do right now. Then evaluate how the team does during the coming weeks.
Gunnersaurus Rex
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Trade Bouchard while he still has value and the Oil get suckered in to another overpaid contract.
Can probably get a real top pair dman in return
Trade for some youth, speed & size (aka Holloway) in the bottom 6. Waive Derek Ryan.
Can probably get a real top pair dman in return
Trade for some youth, speed & size (aka Holloway) in the bottom 6. Waive Derek Ryan.
MoontoScott
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Agreed but I just can't see how any teams out there would take the contracts of the Skinner boys. Retention would be an obvious answer but once you do that then how much cap room do you have left for a real goalie?
RNH contract would be a tough sell too. He's locked in at big bucks for another 4 (5?) seasons and appears to be disinterested most nights. More interested in Kentucky Derby than anything else but to my knowledge Bettman has no plans for a team there.
As for Schwartz well this guy is the Andrei Gromyko of Oiler politics. He appears to have omnipotent status. Waiting for statue next to Gretzky's in front of the building. See if San Jose will pick up the cost of construction.
The biggest culprit on the team is the same one they have had for years-- "the favored son" status. The biggest "to do" that you "can do" is to tell guys you will sit them down or even place them on waivers.
McJesusSaves97
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This is a loaded question & a good one. I'm not in favour of giving up more of our prospects & picks, until we know what we have in this group & have given so many under achieving players a chance (yes even more of one) to turn things around. We are already all in on these guys, so ride it out for a bit & tinker, I guess. We are not trading Hyman or Nuge. BUT maybe too many areas of concern & under achievers to expect tinkering to actually make a difference. We could make a big trade to help the D & add a player up front & we could very well still be a middling team. Final answer is, damned if ya do or don't. I dunno lol. Im not sure what we are. The D is not good enough...the offense isn't good enough... the goaltending isn't good enough. I'm going back to bed, with a beer...
KeithIsActuallyBad
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Our pro scouting is abysmal, while VGK/FLA/COL have some of the best. Easy to do the math there.
We need the best people at key positions, on and off the ice. Unfortunately the best Jackson saw fit to do was hire an ex-communicated GM who needed months of ramp up time after being on the shelf so long and one or two extra analytics people. The results are pretty much what you would expect at this point.
barry halls
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Fire Jackson and Bowman, but that won't happen.
What would I do? What I have been doing: not watching every game, turning games off if they're boring or down by 2+ goals, doing other things with my time. Bowman is a bad GM, Chiarelli 2.0 (he even talks like him). Jackson was hired for a critically important position without the proper credentials & experience for the role. They've proven themselves to be incompetent and their poor decisions far outnumber and outweigh the good ones.
What would I do? What I have been doing: not watching every game, turning games off if they're boring or down by 2+ goals, doing other things with my time. Bowman is a bad GM, Chiarelli 2.0 (he even talks like him). Jackson was hired for a critically important position without the proper credentials & experience for the role. They've proven themselves to be incompetent and their poor decisions far outnumber and outweigh the good ones.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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Our minor scouting is even worse. I don’t want to think about trades until we know that the scouts won’t f*** us again.
Zguy370
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SupremeTeam16
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It never gets old laughing at all you guys coming unhinged in the first half of the season. The team is going to do the same thing they always do, sputter along for a bit and turn on the jets in the back half of the year. They'll tighten their coverage/support, the compete level will come up, S% will normalize and secondary scoring will come alive, PP will sort itself, and even the goaltending will improve from god awful.
They aren’t going to make any big moves until closer to the deadline, the focus needs to be on improving the teams game.
That said, they should fire Schwartz and bring a new goalie coach in, run with Pickard for a stretch or maybe even call up Rodrigue for a test drive. See if there’s an internal option that can provide consistent goaltending while exploring trade options for a potential tandem goalie.
The forward group will sort itself out and they will look for another top 4 defender closer to the deadline.
They aren’t going to make any big moves until closer to the deadline, the focus needs to be on improving the teams game.
That said, they should fire Schwartz and bring a new goalie coach in, run with Pickard for a stretch or maybe even call up Rodrigue for a test drive. See if there’s an internal option that can provide consistent goaltending while exploring trade options for a potential tandem goalie.
The forward group will sort itself out and they will look for another top 4 defender closer to the deadline.
tardigrade81
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Put a f***ing bucket and mop in net at this point. I'll take my chancesI like how you phrased this. You’re keeping multiple options open here.
I agree with everything here other than standing pat with the goalies. I've seen more than enough of Skinner to know that he can go upside down at any moment, and Pickard isn't near good enough to be relied upon to save him like he managed to do against the Nucks in the playoffs last year. The other parts of our game have proven over and over again to sort itself out, there is no record of a goalie ever finding ground here and actually holding it. Schwartz has to go as part of the equation as well.
A goalie that can be relied upon to give around a .900 performance on a consistent basis gets this team firmly in the Stanley Cup conversation even if the other moves are more detail oriented than major.
OilersaretheMcBest
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Actually skipped over that option as i liked most of our coaching staff and didnt see it but agree.
I missed that option somehow. He has some sort of voodoo that even makes the Oilers miss that option in perpetuity.
