What would Larkin’s return in a trade be? DeBrincat’s?

[ElProfessor]

In 6yrs Seider (30) and Raymond (29) will still have 5’ish yrs of great hockey left. But Larkin (34) and DeBrincat (33, if we can resign him) will probably just be hanging on as 3rd liners.

I think we could get two 1st Rd picks for each this summer. And I think that’d be the right move — along with a veteran FA spending spree this summer so we don’t take a step back (overpay for Tavares, Marchand, Kane, Orlov, etc.)

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Idea of what the team could look like Seider’s age-30 season:

25 DET 1st(24)—Kasper(27)—Raymond(29)
26 DET 1st(23)—Danielson(26)—MBN(25)
Buchelnikov(27)—25 Lar 1st(24)—26 Lar 1st(23)
Soder(29) — ??? — Mazur(28)

Edvinsson(28)—Seider(30)
25 DeB 1st(24)—ASP(26)
Johansson(30)—26 DeB 1st(23)

Cossa(28), Augustine(26)

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Idea of what next yr’s team could look like:

Marchand—Tavares—Raymond
Berggren—Kasper—Kane
Soder—Danielson—Mazur (MBN mid yr)
Ras—Copp—Compher (Mazur mid yr)

Edvinsson—Seider
Orlov—Johansson (ASP mid yr)
Chiarot—Gustafsson (Johansson mid yr)

Mrazek, Talbot

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

I could and Ive had similar musings… Essentially, tank for McKenna, lol. If you told me it would work out how we hope it would, I would definitely be okay with it. The franchise would be better off in the long run.

However, Im certain the general fanbase would not see things that way. They have a sort of cool thing going, with Michigan native NHLers wanting to play here. Trading the best two of them, in their primes, does not send a very positive message about the club’s loyalty. Cool to think about the possibilities though.

 

[Gniwder]

In 6yrs Seider (30) and Raymond (29) will be at their peaks…w 5’ish yrs of great hockey left.

…Larkin will be 34 and at the end of his career. Perhaps a 3rd line player.

…A 2025 1st Rd pick would be 24, Seider’s current age.

…It would suck to set the rebuild back another yr or two…but it’s a question worth asking. And it also applies to DeBrincat (one yr younger, 27)

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I’m not an expert on trade values — please correct me if I’m way off — but this seems more or less in the ballpark.

Larkin, I think, roughly, nets you…
-a 2025 1st (top 10-15)
-a 2026 1st
-Mid Rd pick OR a good prospect OR a young NHL player.

DeBrincat…
-a 2025 mid-1st
-a lotto-protected 1st
-Mid Rd pick OR a good prospect OR a young NHL player.

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Next yr’s team... Kane would probably leave…. And they probably wouldn’t be spending on any big Larkin-aged FA’s…. Or getting Marner.

Berggren—Kasper—(A)Raymond
Soder—Danielson—Mazur
???—Copp—??? (*MBN mid-yr)
Rasmussen—Compher—Tarasenko

(A)Edvinsson—(C)Seider
Chiarot—Johansson
??? (*Wallinder late-yr)—??? (*ASP early-yr)

Mrazek, Talbot (*Cossa mid-yr)

…There’d be some additions to make. Probably wouldn’t be very good ones. You put the reigns in Seider and Raymond’s hands. You put a lot of kids into prominent roles. You let the team really develop with Todd. And you add probably 6 1st Rd picks over the next two drafts — and man, what has Yzerman been turning those into.

Replace Chiarot w a good FA next yr. Buchelnikov joins next yr. Probably one of your 2025 picks, maybe a 2nd eventually.

You probably miss the playoffs next yr…and it’s a pretty painful season. Probably miss them the next yr, but it’s a pretty exciting season. Probably make them the next.

Could you take two more yrs of non-playoff hockey for a better end-core??

I could.

If the team does a double rebuild, it's time to fire the GM. That roster lands you at the bottom. There's no scoring besides Ray and Marco. DBoss, DBC, and Kane combined for 90 or the team's 238 goals this season. Replace them with 3 rookies and you're lucky to get 50 goals. That would put the team at the very bottom for scoring.

Yeah, everyone loves Stevie.... but I don't think any fan is gonna tolerate a double rebuild without a new GM. If that new GM is Draper, you're gonna see fans walk away. I still don't watch the Lions or any NFL at all since the 0-16 season. I fulfilled my bucket list item of watching the Redskins live (they sucked that year too, lol), and called it good.

 

[ElProfessor]

If the team does a double rebuild, it's time to fire the GM. That roster lands you at the bottom. There's no scoring besides Ray and Marco. DBoss, DBC, and Kane combined for 90 or the team's 238 goals this season. Replace them with 3 rookies and you're lucky to get 50 goals. That would put the team at the very bottom for scoring.

Yeah, everyone loves Stevie.... but I don't think any fan is gonna tolerate a double rebuild without a new GM. If that new GM is Draper, you're gonna see fans walk away. I still don't watch the Lions or any NFL at all since the 0-16 season. I fulfilled my bucket list item of watching the Redskins live (they sucked that year too, lol), and called it good.

That’s how most fans would react emotionally…. But making Seider (24) and Raymond (23) the elder statesmen of the rebuild, and adding SIX 1st Rd picks over the next 2yrs would absolutely be the right thing to do.

Our pick would be the favorite to be #1ovr next yr. And probably pretty high the next.

Imagine Seider’s age-30 season…. The way Stevie-Y has drafted….


‘25 DET 1st(24) — ‘26 DET 1st/#1ovr?(23) — Raymond(29)
‘26 Larkin 1st(23)— Kasper(27) — MBN(25)
Buchelnikov(27) — Danielson(26) — ‘26 DeBrincat 1st(23)
Soder(29) — ??? — Mazur(28)

Edvinsson(28) — Seider(30)
‘25 Larkin 1st(24)— ASP(26)
Johansson(30) — ‘25 DeBricant 1st(24)

Cossa(28)
Augustine(26)

Looks a lot better than 34yr old Larkin and 33yr old DeBrincat (if we can resign him)

 

[Frk It]

Been there, done that: What would you trade Larkin for... a thought exercise

 

[Gniwder]

That’s how most fans would react emotionally…. But making Seider (24) and Raymond (23) the elder statesmen of the rebuild, and adding SIX 1st Rd picks over the next 2yrs would absolutely be the right thing to do.

Our pick would be the favorite to be #1ovr next yr. And probably pretty high the next.

Imagine Seider’s age-30 season…. The way Stevie-Y has drafted….


‘25 DET 1st(24) — ‘26 DET 1st/#1ovr?(23) — Raymond(29)
‘26 Larkin 1st(23)— Kasper(27) — MBN(25)
Buchelnikov(27) — Danielson(26) — ‘26 DeBrincat 1st(23)
Soder(29) — ??? — Mazur(28)

Edvinsson(28) — Seider(30)
‘25 Larkin 1st(24)— ASP(26)
Johansson(30) — ‘25 DeBricant 1st(24)

Cossa(28)
Augustine(26)

I would literally take a 2 year break from watching hockey. Much like DBoss, I'm tired of bad hockey.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

So we can have the reality, you trade him for magic beans and hope it works out. Look at the ROR as an ideal actual return, guess what Thompson is great, the team ROR went to won in large part because of him and Thompson still hasn't been to the playoffs.

The return won't be as good as we actually want and until we solve the depth problems on this team, the back-end and goalie the problems will remain. I think we should try solving those (and yes some of our prospects will help) without trading the few reliable guys we have, also per the Athletic those of us that thought Larkin was carrying some sort of injury issue, well he was. If you get a stupid offer I would trade Larkin and approach him to waive, I don't see that happening, but I don't know why everyone is fascinated with it. Even when I hear it rumored behind the scenes it is a would he even really ask for it attached to the question. I don't really see him doing that. We need to get him more help, not scapegoat the guy that has trudged through all the crap to give Mo and Seider a more forgiving environment than he had after Zetterberg retired to grow up in.

I am worried about him getting injured, but one thing worth noting is the guys that age the best in the league are great skaters, which Larkin is. So I think the goal should be to have him shifted out to wing by the end of his contract but I disagree with the people that think he will be a disaster as long as he isn't LTIRetired by the end of his deal. Even there you get the cap relief. I think we should think about more tangible ways to improve the roster. We are a worse team without Dylan Larkin, full stop.

Like the last time we discussed this, if Edmonton dumps LA again and they panic, the player I am most interested in for this hypothetical is Byfield, I still just don't see him being available.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

the only way i'd consider it is if we sign marner first and if danielson looks ready to go

larkin -> nikishin

debrincat - kasper - marner
berggren - danielson/copp - raymond
soderblom - copp/danielson - kane
rasmussen - compher - mazur
tarasenko

nikishin - seider
edvinsson - asp
chiarot - johansson
tuomisto

mrazek
talbot

 

[KJoe88]

Oh boy

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

the only way i'd consider it is if we sign marner first and if danielson looks ready to go

larkin -> nikishin

debrincat - kasper - marner
berggren - danielson/copp - raymond
soderblom - copp/danielson - kane
rasmussen - compher - mazur
tarasenko

nikishin - seider
edvinsson - asp
chiarot - johansson
tuomisto

mrazek
talbot

A player Carolina has called untouchable for over two years...

 

[Pavels Dog]

Could you take two more yrs of non-playoff hockey for a better end-core??

Could you handle 5 more years of non-playoffs and Seider, Raymond, Kasper and Edvinsson demanding trades for a younger version of Larkin?

Gotta look at the worst case scenario and not assume a perfect execution that ”only” costs us 2 years.

 

[stillwater]

Thread 'What would you trade Larkin for... a thought exercise'

Apr 3, 2025

If Larkin came to you tomorrow demanding an immediate trade, what specifically would you realistically hope to get in return for him?

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• Forum: Detroit Red Wings

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

Only teams that would take larkin would be teams closer to a cup which means you'll get a young player who's future is a ?

A few yrs back for byfield,lafreniere type would have been the way to go. Now??? Tb,florida,avs they dont have much to offer in prospects and teams like sj etc... aren't going to give up they're younger players

We deal Larkin it'll be for picks and players wholl be years away.... "maybe" if a team like Anaheim with all those young players looking to make the next step and haven't yet are looking for a bigger move maybe we can land a mctavish?? But again I doubt it

 

[ElProfessor]

I would literally take a 2 year break from watching hockey. Much like DBoss, I'm tired of bad hockey.

Why not really overpay to replace Larkin and DeBrincat w Tavares and Marchand on 3yr deals…overpay to keep Kane on a 2yr deal…sign the best vet LHD to a 3yr deal.

Could make the playoffs next yr

 

[ElProfessor]

Could you handle 5 more years of non-playoffs and Seider, Raymond, Kasper and Edvinsson demanding trades for a younger version of Larkin?

Gotta look at the worst case scenario and not assume a perfect execution that ”only” costs us 2 years.

Overpay to sign Tavares and Marchand to 3yr deals…overpay to keep Kane on a 2yr deal…overpay to get the best vet LHD on the market to a 3yr deal.

Team takes a step forward and makes the playoffs next yr AND has 6 1st Rd picks in the next 2 drafts

 

[lilidk]

Only teams that would take larkin would be teams closer to a cup which means you'll get a young player who's future is a ?

A few yrs back for byfield,lafreniere type would have been the way to go. Now??? Tb,florida,avs they dont have much to offer in prospects and teams like sj etc... aren't going to give up they're younger players

We deal Larkin it'll be for picks and players wholl be years away.... "maybe" if a team like Anaheim with all those young players looking to make the next step and haven't yet are looking for a bigger move maybe we can land a mctavish?? But again I doubt it

There is always Buffalo and NR

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

There is always Buffalo and NR

Larkin would never waive to go to buffalo and Die lmao

Who can we get from Rangers ? Lafraniere ?? No c prospects

 

[lilidk]

Trading Larkin and Cat will give us top 5 in the 2026 . We could get elite player, better than Raymond and Seider next draft. It will give us very strong team Without Larkin Seider will be Capitan and in 2 years when core of the team mid twenties Yzerman could be trying free agency again.
Just doubt it's realistic, knowing Yzerman

 

[USAHockey97]

Trading Larkin and Cat will give us top 5 in the 2026 . We could get elite player, better than Raymond and Seider next draft. It will give us very strong team Without Larkin Seider will be Capitan and in 2 years when core of the team mid twenties Yzerman could be trying free agency again.
Just doubt it's realistic, knowing Yzerman

Agree with this. The Wings trading Larkin could net them a top pick. Combine that with a poor record next year and they could walk away with two high end talents.

But I doubt Yzerman does that. I think he’s made his bed with who he has and time will tell if he’s successful or not.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I could and Ive had similar musings… Essentially, tank for McKenna, lol. If you told me it would work out how we hope it would, I would definitely be okay with it. The franchise would be better off in the long run.

However, Im certain the general fanbase would not see things that way. They have a sort of cool thing going, with Michigan native NHLers wanting to play here. Trading the best two of them, in their primes, does not send a very positive message about the club’s loyalty. Cool to think about the possibilities though.

Tanking doesn’t work in 2025.

Look at Chicago with Bedard and San Jose with Celebrini. Both teams are 5 years from being worth a damn. The wings would have to lose Raymond, Seider, Larkin AND DeBrincat to approach being that bad.

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

No crap team is taking larkin in return for a 1st. We'd likely get a 22-32 1st

 

[Redwing66]

Either sell of the pieces like Larkin that might age out and do a true tank/rebuild or get a couple pieces one on offense, one on defense, bring kids up and get going. This middle of the road too good to suck and too bad to make a move is aggravating.

 

[Gniwder]

Tanking doesn’t work in 2025.

Look at Chicago with Bedard and San Jose with Celebrini. Both teams are 5 years from being worth a damn. The wings would have to lose Raymond, Seider, Larkin AND DeBrincat to approach being that bad.

Red WIngs won't match goal totals of either CHI or SJS without DBC, DBoss, and Kane, I already did the math. On top of that without Larkin Ray's points will go down by at least 1/3.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Tanking doesn’t work in 2025.

Look at Chicago with Bedard and San Jose with Celebrini. Both teams are 5 years from being worth a damn. The wings would have to lose Raymond, Seider, Larkin AND DeBrincat to approach being that bad.

Agreed.

Also, the NHL letting Detroit get the top pick?

Penguins and Bruins are rebuilding.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Red WIngs won't match goal totals of either CHI or SJS without DBC, DBoss, and Kane, I already did the math. On top of that without Larkin Ray's points will go down by at least 1/3.

Great, so let’s tank.

How long before Seider and Ray demand trades?