What is the most you'd give up for Tage?

[SirloinUB]

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. I'm at the point in the rebuild that I'm willing to deal as many draft picks as it takes to add the right 1-2 long term additions and maximize the next 5 years. (I don't see any picks from 2025 onward being good enough soon enough to be more valuable than getting actual NHL players.)

I don't hate the concept but the problem is future picks don't hold the same value. A first this year is worth more than a 1st next year and a lot more than a 1st 4 years from now. So you're giving up top assets which handcuffs you down the road (from making other trades, drafting cost controlled assets, executing an RFA signing, dumping a problem contract etc.) without getting appropriate value for them.

Think of it this way, If we were to trade Larkin (we wouldn't) would you want a picks 2, 3, and 4 years from now from an up and coming team that is looking promising? Or would you be more interested in a young NHL player + 1st + top prospect? I'd prefer package B and Im sure most other teams would too.

The concept of Time Value of Money is applicable to draft picks. A dollar today is worth more than a dollar 4 years from now. A pick this summer is worth more than a pick 4 years from now.

In theory I like your angle I just don't think it works in real life.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Söderblom - Rasmussen - Thompson line?

soderblom - thompson - rantanen

 

[nbwingsfan]

Kasper is a no go. Danielson or MBN + protected 1st + salary going the other way + B level prospects. Yzerman likes to say he wont put the cart before the horse. I hope he stands true to it, Dont get jumpy going after a big splash before the team has accomplished anything.

For a player like Thompson on a great contract I would imagine Kasper would 100% be a go, and likely needed

 

[lilidk]

soderblom - thompson - rantanen

Hopefully one day they try Soderblom on the first line. See what's happened, maybe next season

 

[jkutswings]

I don't hate the concept but the problem is future picks don't hold the same value. A first this year is worth more than a 1st next year and a lot more than a 1st 4 years from now. So you're giving up top assets which handcuffs you down the road (from making other trades, drafting cost controlled assets, executing an RFA signing, dumping a problem contract etc.) without getting appropriate value for them.

Think of it this way, If we were to trade Larkin (we wouldn't) would you want a picks 2, 3, and 4 years from now from an up and coming team that is looking promising? Or would you be more interested in a young NHL player + 1st + top prospect? I'd prefer package B and Im sure most other teams would too.

The concept of Time Value of Money is applicable to draft picks. A dollar today is worth more than a dollar 4 years from now. A pick this summer is worth more than a pick 4 years from now.

In theory I like your angle I just don't think it works in real life.

Fair. And I'm not expecting to acquire McDavid just by tossing enough picks at Edmonton, for example. I was just underscoring the point that I have absolutely zero appetite for hoarding picks any longer. So don't make a move for the sake of it, but if the right player comes along, another team can have all the picks they want to make it happen.

 

[Euro Twins]

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. I'm at the point in the rebuild that I'm willing to deal as many draft picks as it takes to add the right 1-2 long term additions and maximize the next 5 years. (I don't see any picks from 2025 onward being good enough soon enough to be more valuable than getting actual NHL players.)


Probably accurate.

I respect that. But think of it this way. What happens if tage doesn't work here, or he gets injured. What happens if we go down a top player.

We can't give away all of our non prospect/roster player capital for the next 4 years for 1 player.

There's a very good reason you never see that kind of trade.

Now if Yzerman had flipped a couple guys like Copp and chiarot and then dealt that return in a package to get 1 or 2 extra first round picks and we used those to get tage sure.

But to give away our 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 first round picks and put all our playoff hopes on one guy.....


No

 

[norrisnick]

I respect that. But think of it this way. What happens if tage doesn't work here, or he gets injured. What happens if we go down a top player.

We can't give away all of our non prospect/roster player capital for the next 4 years for 1 player.

There's a very good reason you never see that kind of trade.

Now if Yzerman had flipped a couple guys like Copp and chiarot and then dealt that return in a package to get 1 or 2 extra first round picks and we used those to get tage sure.

But to give away our 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028 first round picks and put all our playoff hopes on one guy.....


No

We still have a '21, two '23, and a '24 first round pick to play with.

 

[Euro Twins]

We still have a '21, two '23, and a '24 first round pick to play with.

I literally said none prospect/roster players assets.

However you want to go down that route? Mbn has low trade value currently unless he turns it on next season. Danielson is looking like a 3rd line center. Kasper is not available for trade, asp is not available for trade. Edvinsson is basically untouchable.

So who do you expect to leverage mbn and Danielson into for a trade?

I get wanting tage but you can't trade away the franchise future for 1 player.

Now if you trade 2 firsts and Kasper that would be much more palatable.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Could be Edvinsson +.
6'6" 27 years old , point per game c/w. Could be perfect on our first line. Excellent contract.

 

[lilidk]

Wtf you just broke my glasses, what's wrong with you

 

[Snuggs]

This has been my question about Thompson for awhile. Is he really a center or is he Cozens deluxe? I'm not really interested in seeing us dump big assets in a winger trade.

The dude has 50 goal potential outside of Buffalo.(IMO) I'd give up way too much but Thompson for sure becomes a better player, imo, outside of Buffalo who is using him as a 1st line center vs winger, or 2nd line center.

His goal scoring ability/shot, elite. If you were a team that wanted a goal scorer, or needed one, this is a good target, not exactly what the Wings need right now though, they need a legit 2nd line c who wins face-offs and a defenseman to pair on the top line or take over for Holl.

For the laughs.

Nate Danielson, William Wallinder, 1 of the goalie prospects(Wings have three good ones), J.T.Compher(money), 1st round pick this year and in 2026. Sooooooooo..... what? Three prospects, two picks, and a roster player? Painful with the goalie added, imo. Really not sure that gets it done. Idk if Buffalo trades him without a star coming in return. They look like good partners for Elias Pettersson.

I don't even bother with the center experiment and roll out one of the best lines in hockey with Thompson/Larkin/Raymond. Maybe try Kasper centering Kane/DeBrincat with Copp injured now, If Kapser could hang on at center with them, then the Red Wings would be rolling into 2025/2026 with a great top roster with some extra cash still.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Is there any indication anywhere that the Sabres are looking to move Tage Thompson?

If not, what's the point of the thread? You could theoretically insert any name, right?

Rumors are rumors but I have seen some suggesting he could available.

 

[PelagicJoe]

I'd give them Copp and Compher. That's two centers in exchange for one.

If they want a defenseman also, I'd entertain the idea of giving them either Holl or Petry.

I'd be even more generous. Throw in a winger and give them Abdelkader too.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

The demand for a unicorn player like that would be so great that I'd never want to pay it.

And honestly he's so damn big that I'd worry about how his body holds up.

 

[19 for president]

Yeah I just can't see Buffalo trading a guy who is producing at a 35-40 goal pace, on a great contract, who is a unicorn physically to their divisional rival without a massive overpay. If they deal him, they are going to want a legit young center back which we don't have. I'm talking someone with 1st line potential.

Kasper looks great on the 1st line as a winger but has yet to prove he can produce at all as an NHL center. I just don't see where the wings could come up with a package that doesn't involve Ray/Larkin that would remotely interest them.

They don't need dmen they already have Powers, Dahlin, and Byram. Maybe they'd be interested in ASP if they were able to deal Byram for other parts for the LD/RD swap.

We have the same #1 need which are legit centers.

I think we'd have to offer something like Kasper, ASP, and a 1st to get them to pick up the phone. That's a lot to give to a guy that has no playoff history. Also I think other teams handily beat that offer, because they will have more established players to trade.

Cozens is a whole different story because he isn't producing compared to this long term contract. There is risk that he never hits his stats from a few seasons ago. Thus there is actual motivation for Buffalo to get out from under the contract.

 

[Henkka]

Cozens is a whole different story because he isn't producing compared to this long term contract. There is risk that he never hits his stats from a few seasons ago. Thus there is actual motivation for Buffalo to get out from under the contract.

It's still interesting, if I look from Evolving-hockey contract estimations, if Cozens would sign a new deal now, he would be getting 6.032M for the same term he has on his current contract left.

So he is overpaid by ~1 million. If he could do a even a small rebound to better form from his current form, he is worth the money, current caphit 7.1M.

 

[SirloinUB]

It's still interesting, if I look from Evolving-hockey contract estimations, if Cozens would sign a new deal now, he would be getting 6.032M for the same term he has on his current contract left.

So he is overpaid by ~1 million. If he could do a even a small rebound to better form from his current form, he is worth the money, current caphit 7.1M.

I've been vocally skeptical of Cozens, especially as a center, but ill admit, that does ease some of my concerns.

 

[Indrid Cold]

The dude has 50 goal potential outside of Buffalo.(IMO) I'd give up way too much but Thompson for sure becomes a better player, imo, outside of Buffalo who is using him as a 1st line center vs winger, or 2nd line center.

His goal scoring ability/shot, elite. If you were a team that wanted a goal scorer, or needed one, this is a good target, not exactly what the Wings need right now though, they need a legit 2nd line c who wins face-offs and a defenseman to pair on the top line or take over for Holl.

For the laughs.

Nate Danielson, William Wallinder, 1 of the goalie prospects(Wings have three good ones), J.T.Compher(money), 1st round pick this year and in 2026. Sooooooooo..... what? Three prospects, two picks, and a roster player? Painful with the goalie added, imo. Really not sure that gets it done. Idk if Buffalo trades him without a star coming in return. They look like good partners for Elias Pettersson.

I don't even bother with the center experiment and roll out one of the best lines in hockey with Thompson/Larkin/Raymond. Maybe try Kasper centering Kane/DeBrincat with Copp injured now, If Kapser could hang on at center with them, then the Red Wings would be rolling into 2025/2026 with a great top roster with some extra cash still.

Agreed. I would do that trade and add if I had to. Even as a 2C, then the Wings are set there for quite a while.

 

[19 for president]

It's still interesting, if I look from Evolving-hockey contract estimations, if Cozens would sign a new deal now, he would be getting 6.032M for the same term he has on his current contract left.

So he is overpaid by ~1 million. If he could do a even a small rebound to better form from his current form, he is worth the money, current caphit 7.1M.

7 mil will be a 3rd liner very soon with the cap going, which is wild when we can from the low budget teams screaming about how they couldn't compete with an 80 mil team back in the day.

Unless he is causing issues in the locker room I don't think its a great idea for Buffalo to trade him but at least you can say he is overpaid currently. Tage is a unique star, performing well, and on what is already a team friendly deal.

 

[stillwater]

Rumors are rumors but I have seen some suggesting he could available.

Okay, good. Can you provide a link to those rumors, so we can all get up to speed?

 

[Winger98]

The dude has 50 goal potential outside of Buffalo.(IMO) I'd give up way too much but Thompson for sure becomes a better player, imo, outside of Buffalo who is using him as a 1st line center vs winger, or 2nd line center.

His goal scoring ability/shot, elite. If you were a team that wanted a goal scorer, or needed one, this is a good target, not exactly what the Wings need right now though, they need a legit 2nd line c who wins face-offs and a defenseman to pair on the top line or take over for Holl.

For the laughs.

Nate Danielson, William Wallinder, 1 of the goalie prospects(Wings have three good ones), J.T.Compher(money), 1st round pick this year and in 2026. Sooooooooo..... what? Three prospects, two picks, and a roster player? Painful with the goalie added, imo. Really not sure that gets it done. Idk if Buffalo trades him without a star coming in return. They look like good partners for Elias Pettersson.

I don't even bother with the center experiment and roll out one of the best lines in hockey with Thompson/Larkin/Raymond. Maybe try Kasper centering Kane/DeBrincat with Copp injured now, If Kapser could hang on at center with them, then the Red Wings would be rolling into 2025/2026 with a great top roster with some extra cash still.

My problem dealing for Thompson is the bolded. If we lose Danielson (and Compher) our options at 2C get pretty questionable. We don't know if Kasper can hold that spot

. We know we don't really want Copp there long term. Ras isn't an option there. And we see other teams like Colorado and Edmonton have a really hard time without quality depth up the middle and up front in general. IMO, we make this type of deal for a wing, we're still having to go hunt for a 2C, and we've just spent arguably our best trade assets on a wing.

I'm also a bit more pessimistic that Thompson will be much different out of Buffalo. That's not a knock on him, he's still a ppg, 30-40 goal guy, but I don't think Eichel has been that different out of Buffalo, aside from finally having a healthier neck. ROR didn't change much. Mittlestadt hasn't seemed to change much. The only one I think got noticeably better was Reinhart. Like I said, though, this isn't exactly a knock on Thompson considering what he is now.

But I'm also with @19 for president in not really seeing Buffalo move him. I don't think they should move Cozens, either. If Bennet hits the market, I think Buffalo should push a lot of chips to the middle of the table for him. I think they should go after the Schenns, too. I think injecting some vets into that room, and a couple of real centers, would do a lot for that team.

 

[SirloinUB]

Thompson's career faceoff win % is 42%. Woof.

 

[ridilon]

The Eichel trade is a perfect comparable. Vegas was not concerned about the neck, so there was no issue with giving up legit assets for him. It took a current high 1st rounder, an older 1st rounder, and an upcoming protected 1st plus a swap of 2nd and 3rd.

The equivalent starting point would be:
Either MBN (1-15, 2024) OR Danielson (1-9, 2023)
Veleno (1-30, 2018)
1st protected which would most likely be the 2025 pick in the mid-teens or twenties
Swap a 2026 2nd and 3rd.

Not only would I make that deal in a NY minute, but I would add to the pot if necessary. DRW have been in desperate need of a legit 2C for YEARS. Tage isn't much in the FO area, but he is exactly what takes the team ever upward.

Add another 2nd or deal a current 2nd rounder. I'm not worried about losing Max Plante or Buchelnikov or Cross Hanas or missing the chance to draft Mastrosimone or Jared McIssac or Giavani Smith or etc., etc.

Even add another protected 1st if that's what it took. 2025 top 10 protected. 2026 top 20 protected. Convert to a pair of 2s otherwise. Be creative. It's what needs to happen for the team to take the next step. Larkin/Tage/Kasper down the middle - damn.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

I would rather have Bo Horvat. I know he is older and more expensive, but he fits the mold of what the org likes in a player. 200ft game, plays all situations, 60% face off this year. Oh and went to Red Wings games as a kid as his family lived 90 minutes away in Ontario.

Don't get me wrong though, Tage would be a decent add.