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What is the most the leafs should spent on rentals?

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To answer to this question depend who is on the table

For giroux, hertl, pavelski or lindholm... anytime i give a 1st for those player...

For player like chiarot, manson rakell, copp of anything else, not sure
 
LeafGrief said:
Hehe, I remember being a fan of keeping JVR as an own rental. Pretty sure we argued about it back then, I remember claiming it was essential for building "winning culture". :laugh:
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I think you can always make a case for either side, I'm just not a fan of rentals in general and especially not when we have a team that should contend for the next decade or so. Not saying never do rentals, but pick your spots wisely I guess. That's one thing I liked about Dubas - he said he doesn't believe in rentals. Not sure why he's changed his stance on that, I just hope he doesn't go crazy at this TDL
 
We have so many similar level assets:

A pile: 1st 22, 1st 23, Robertson, Knies, Amirov, Niemela

B pile: 2nds, 3rds, Hirvonen, Steeves, Holmberg, Voit, Abbruzzese, Tverberg, Kokkonen, Kral, Miettenin, Villeneuve, Ovchinnikov, Abramov, SDA, Pekka, Akhtyamov, Kallen, Woll, Scott

I have no problem trading away a couple from each pile.
 
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If it's the right move, sure.
We're due for a savvy deadline that adds a valuable piece.

The Foligno move seemed okay on it's face, until you realized he was hurt and declining quicker than (insert something that declines quick)
 
bigbabybuda said:
Idk what it would cost but I honestly think we're getting ready to make a very big move. My guess is Chychrun.
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this would be the move I make. Who cares if he’s left handed. He’s young and comes with term.

swing big with Chychrun and then bring in Braun or another depth dman.

hopefully we win a cup and Muzzin agrees to waive in the offseason
 
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Gary Nylund said:
I've been hearing this every year since we kept JVR as our "own rental", how's it worked out so far?



This. If we can trade for someone who will help us for some years to come, that's one thing but pissing away assets for rentals when we're in position to be underdogs to win even one round isn't what they call "good asset management".
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I'm not really sure what 2017 or 2018 has to do with 2022 but OK.

What do you expect? the Leafs to sell? That isn't going to happen
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I'm not really sure what 2017 or 2018 has to do with 2022 but OK.

What do you expect? the Leafs to sell? That isn't going to happen
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Back then people were making the same arguments, have to go for it etc.

I'm not sure what to expect. I'm pretty sure we won't be selling and I think we're all fine with that, I just hope we're not spending valuable futures for rentals. If it was up to me, I'd only be willing to move 1st rounders and grade A prospects for players that are going to be with us for longer than just this season.
 
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based on what the Leafs spent last trade deadline and got nothing for it in the playoffs, I would rather the Leafs stand pat or go for a significant addition. I don't care for adding depth.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Back then people were making the same arguments, have to go for it etc.

I'm not sure what to expect. I'm pretty sure we won't be selling and I think we're all fine with that, I just hope we're not spending valuable futures for rentals. If it was up to me, I'd only be willing to move 1st rounders and grade A prospects for players that are going to be with us for longer than just this season.
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I think the difference between then and now is age.

Back then Marner, Matthews, Nylander were rookies or 2nd year players.

Now? Matthews is playing the best hockey of his career.

Marner is playing the best hockey of his career

Rielly is arguably playing the best hockey of his career or damn close to it.

Tavares is having a fantastic season

Nylander is playing the best hockey of his career, even with his recent slump.

You have the rookie goals leader.

David Kampf is playing the best hockey of his career.

the key guys on the roster are at the peak of their powers in 2022, that makes this the time to go for it.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I think the difference between then and now is age.

Back then Marner, Matthews, Nylander were rookies or 2nd year players.

Now? Matthews is playing the best hockey of his career.

Marner is playing the best hockey of his career

Rielly is arguably playing the best hockey of his career or damn close to it.

Tavares is having a fantastic season

Nylander is playing the best hockey of his career, even with his recent slump.

You have the rookie goals leader.

David Kampf is playing the best hockey of his career.

the key guys on the roster are at the peak of their powers in 2022, that makes this the time to go for it.
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Sure, I can understand that line of thought. The counter argument would be that while these guys may be at the peak of their powers as you say, we're still just 3rd in our division. We are likely to be underdogs in round 1 and it's possible that we will be underdogs in every round after that as well. We are likely to have a path to the cup that without researching it, I would guess is harder than any cup winner has ever overcome in the past. And since the goal is to win the cup our core should still be close to peak powers for a few years to come, we should should think twice before we give up too much in order to boost our chances this year.

Balancing today's goals and future goals is always tough, but my preference is to stay away from high priced rentals. The exception is if the cup window is about to close, and that most certainly is not the case here.
 
zeke said:
We have so many similar level assets:

A pile: 1st 22, 1st 23, Robertson, Knies, Amirov, Niemela

B pile: 2nds, 3rds, Hirvonen, Steeves, Holmberg, Voit, Abbruzzese, Tverberg, Kokkonen, Kral, Miettenin, Villeneuve, Ovchinnikov, Abramov, SDA, Pekka, Akhtyamov, Kallen, Woll, Scott

I have no problem trading away a couple from each pile.
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Not the biggest fan of the rental list this year would really hate to trade anything from the A pile for one unless it was Hertl. And honestly he would be a luxury move. Use the B pile for rentals. Dip into the A pile for a bigger acquisition with term. But don't deplete the A pile. 2 max, and hope for 1.
 
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Judas Tavares said:
Not the biggest fan of the rental list this year would really hate to trade anything from the A pile for one unless it was Hertl. And honestly he would be a luxury move. Use the B pile for rentals. Dip into the A pile for a bigger acquisition with term. But don't deplete the A pile. 2 max, and hope for 1.
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Yeah the A pile would hopefully only be used to get a legitimate line or pairing driver, not a complementary guy.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I think the difference between then and now is age.

Back then Marner, Matthews, Nylander were rookies or 2nd year players.

Now? Matthews is playing the best hockey of his career.

Marner is playing the best hockey of his career

Rielly is arguably playing the best hockey of his career or damn close to it.

Tavares is having a fantastic season

Nylander is playing the best hockey of his career, even with his recent slump.

You have the rookie goals leader.

David Kampf is playing the best hockey of his career.

the key guys on the roster are at the peak of their powers in 2022, that makes this the time to go for it.
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When it comes to hockey, I am never an all in guy, though I suppose that depends on what one considers all in. I say this because there are so many variables to winning hockey. Peaking at the right time, officiating, health, bounces. 99% of the time, deadline moves don't deliver a Cup. I am 100% about long term planning and giving yourself as many legitimate shots as possible at winning in hopes that everything aligns at the right time. I think Dubas usually has a similar mindset which is why he often looks for term.

This said, I hilighted your first two sentences because it seems very lost on people when they talk about past Leaf results. People talk about Chicago and Pittsburgh yet fail to note that their big guns were the final pieces of their puzzle....the rest were all in place and maturing. Our path is the opposite in that our big guns all came in young and we are filling out the rest while they mature. We had a non-existant d core, little depth and a pretty barren cupboard after the big guys. A lot of it is now in place and the big guns are coming of age and becoming the complete players you need to win. People really need to recognize that in analyzing them.
 
Rants Mulliniks said:
When it comes to hockey, I am never an all in guy, though I suppose that depends on what one considers all in. I say this because there are so many variables to winning hockey. Peaking at the right time, officiating, health, bounces. 99% of the time, deadline moves don't deliver a Cup. I am 100% about long term planning and giving yourself as many legitimate shots as possible at winning in hopes that everything aligns at the right time. I think Dubas usually has a similar mindset which is why he often looks for term.

This said, I hilighted your first two sentences because it seems very lost on people when they talk about past Leaf results. People talk about Chicago and Pittsburgh yet fail to note that their big guns were the final pieces of their puzzle....the rest were all in place and maturing. Our path is the opposite in that our big guns all came in young and we are filling out the rest while they mature. We had a non-existant d core, little depth and a pretty barren cupboard after the big guys. A lot of it is now in place and the big guns are coming of age and becoming the complete players you need to win. People really need to recognize that in analyzing them.
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There comes a point in sports where You have to go all in because it's time.

Look at the Rams in the NFL, they went all in because it was time, and they won.

The Bucs did the same the previous year and they win.

Raptors did it in 2019 and they won.

There comes a point in sports where it's time.

At 32-12-3 it's time.

I expect Dubas to do it too because I think his job is on the line.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
There comes a point in sports where You have to go all in because it's time.

Look at the Rams in the NFL, they went all in because it was time, and they won.

The Bucs did the same the previous year and they win.

Raptors did it in 2019 and they won.

There comes a point in sports where it's time.

At 32-12-3 it's time.

I expect Dubas to do it too because I think his job is on the line.
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Yeah I kinda agree. JT is getting older, contracts come up,in a few years - I think a bold move like moving Kerfoot & Mik may be necessary. Or it could be the rye talking off for an extra long weekend
 
Absolutely need to keep the 2022 1st. No more trading 1st round picks for 4 games in the playoffs.

Dubas need to start looking at the future and rebuild.
 
kb said:
Rebuild?
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Yes, this team is not winning anything. They will be out in the first round. Dubas needs to stop pissing away 1st round picks on a failed build. Especially on a garbage player like Chiarot.

Start drafting for the future.
 
34 said:
Yes, this team is not winning anything. They will be out in the first round. Dubas needs to stop pissing away 1st round picks on a failed build. Especially on a garbage player like Chiarot.

Start drafting for the future.
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Then trade it all away. Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly. I mean 32-12-3 with most top players 27 and under screams rebuild to me.
 
kb said:
Then trade it all away. Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly. I mean 32-12-3 with most top players 27 and under screams rebuild to me.
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Yeah I get it, but we don’t have goaltending that can compete with the best. That and this team falls apart in the playoffs. They get bullied. Matthews only has 2 more seasons in Toronto anyway.
 
Push the chips to the table for the right asset

I don't have a problem dealing any of a 1st/Robertson/Amirov/Knies/Niemela for a JT Miller or Tomas Hertl
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
There comes a point in sports where You have to go all in because it's time.

Look at the Rams in the NFL, they went all in because it was time, and they won.

The Bucs did the same the previous year and they win.

Raptors did it in 2019 and they won.

There comes a point in sports where it's time.

At 32-12-3 it's time.

I expect Dubas to do it too because I think his job is on the line.
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Now is the time for Leafs.. TB and/or Florida is not going to start dropping off any time soon, so it is really coming down to the "top 3" in the Atlantic, and I feel it is anyone's chance. JT freak injury last year was the reason Habs got incredibly lucky, along with God-Price.. If Leafs hadnt choked, they easily would have dismantled everyone else - and still met TB in the final.

Leafs are a damned good team - scary to play against (especially with home crowd). 1st rounders can be used for key pieces (particularly on D). Make the move - load up.. and enjoy.
 
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