What is a "distinct kicking motion" anyway?

[Profet]

Didn't see a thread discussing it, it didn't effect the outcome, just annoying that no one seems to understand the rule.

Officials said it was not a distinct kicking motion last night, but Toronto overturned the goal anyway.

Yet:

 

[Voight]

Nobody really knows. Its the NHL, they play it by ear. They change their mind more than. girl changes clothes.

 

[andora]

If anything this was consistent with several goals that were called back last year and I believe the Blake Coleman one as well from the playoffs that year before. Last year in the Leafs Devil's game the Leaf's player kicked the puck not directly at the net but at caramed in off of a skate and they waved it off because he kicked it

 

[Deeds26]

To ask what a "distinct kicking motion" is, one must ask what a "distinct" is, one must seek the meaning of "motion", and one must practice "kicking," to really, fully, understand, that the NHL has no idea what they are doing sometimes.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

As with every rule the description is made vague enough that they can make any call they want.

 

[LionsHeart]

As with every rule the description is made vague enough that they can make any call they want.

It has to be clear enough to overturn the original call though. If it’s vague, how do you make a concrete judgment?

 

[Levitate]

Call against Cuylle seemed like a game management call

 

[pi314]

It’s when you take off your skate and try to stab someone.

 

[Moose Head]

What is a "distinct kicking motion" anyway?​

 

[TD Charlie]

Seems to be if you lift your skate and/or the swing of your skate is not part of the act of stopping, then they'll call the goal back. "Distinct kicking motion" is largely an ignored phrase when these things are decided.

It's all a mess either way

 

[ClydeLee]

Video calls would be more consistent if they weren't up to the refs on the ice calling it. The ref union demanded it be that way but these should be decided over the refs by the league war-room

 

[Salsa Shark]

Still mad about the Carl Rachunek disallowed goal Rangers Sabres 2007 semis

Did lead to the OT Roszival winner which was sweet.

 

[jungles]

Goals off skates should be allowed as long as the skate remains on the ice through the whole motion. Not subjective. Easy to review. Done.

 

[Tripledeke333]

They were forced to call that a goal last night to maintain consistency. For years and years and years, the NHL has been extremely inconsistent. As such, they were forced to make last nights call to maintain this extreme consistency.

Ideally, the NHL would be consistently consistent. It would be a step up if the NHL was consistently inconsistent. However, extreme inconsistency is the best the NHL can do. If the NHL ceased being extremely inconsistent, they would not be able to do anything consistently.

Maintaining extreme inconsistency is more consistent than not doing anything consistently.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

 

[tarheelhockey]

They make this so much harder than it needs to be. It’s like the replay officials are watching a different game sometimes.

If you can’t distinguish whether a player’s foot is swinging toward the puck and knocking it into the net, I don’t know what to say. Yet we routinely get these “controversies” which aren’t even arguments but just plain botched calls.

 

[JoVel]

Something like this but imagine a puck there instead of a player.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Guess they didn't want the oilers fans to litter the ice with another goal against late in the game so they called it no goal.

 

[Profet]

They were forced to call that a goal last night to maintain consistency. For years and years and years, the NHL has been extremely inconsistent. As such, they were forced to make last nights call to maintain this extreme consistency.

Ideally, the NHL would be consistently consistent. It would be a step up if the NHL was consistently inconsistent. However, extreme inconsistency is the best the NHL can do. If the NHL ceased being extremely inconsistent, they would not be able to do anything consistently.

Maintaining extreme inconsistency is more consistent than not doing anything consistently.

They called last night's a kick and a no goal. The last sequence in the provided video.

 

[TGWL]

They called last night's a kick and a no goal. The last sequence in the provided video.

I think he meant the refs. Refs calling it a goal.

I think it's a lot easier for the refs to just call it a goal, much like not calling a potential offside because the video replay will take care of that. I think calling it no call is a lot harder to overturn should they be wrong. Either way, the ref made the right call here.

 

[SEALBound]

Not that I'll pretend to know much about what NHL refs are thinking but I think those in the video are re-directs with the skate and the skate is positioned for stopping/turning/movement.

When I think of distinct kicking motion, I'm thinking soccer style "I boot the puck with my skate and my leg and skate come off of the ice in a kick-like follow-through". That is different than what I see there.

 

[Moose Head]

They way I’d handle it: Allow everything, or allow nothing.

 

[pcruz]

Ottawa scored a goal one night against the Leafs where the Ottawa player had a movement that included:

Backswing
Contact
Follow-through


And after some time and review from Toronto, was deemed "not a kicking motion".


So who the f*** knows what the NHL deems it to mean.

 

[Mattilaus]

It's whatever the person making the call wants it to be. Just another method of game management.