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World Cup: What if Russia doesn't medal in the World Cup

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True Hockey Fan said:
It's not a question of those 23 players who are chosen to the World Championships, whether they take the tournament seriously or not. Of course they do and want to win. The question is how the USA Hockey, as a whole body, takes the tournament seriously. Every year there is plenty of quality players available for the US to make a team that could be even comparable to Team Canada on paper, but if we called that particular team as "A" team, what USA usually sends into the World Championships is a "C" or "D" team. That's just pretty ridiculous. They are always an underdog, and winning any medal is a success. If they had their "A" team (of who they could have from those 14 teams eliminated from the playoffs), they would be constand gold-medal co-favorite.
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Yeah for sure. You can bet the players on all teams are going to be trying and care about winning. Maybe they won't show the intensity of an NHL playoff game but it's not going to be an all star game out there.
 
Bear12Good said:
Hmmmmmmmm
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Because betting odds matter over actual results
 
JackSlater said:
The gimmicks leave this tournament with a meaningless result. The World Championships also have meaningless results, to be fair, but the World Championship doesn't actually work against best on best hockey happening in the future like this tournament does. Sadly I prefer the World Championships at this point.
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OG >>>>>>> World Cup.

It's sad this tournament will replace the OG. Even more sad money is the reason it will happen.
 
LaP said:
OG >>>>>>> World Cup.

It's sad this tournament will replace the OG. Even more sad money is the reason it will happen.
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The recent Olympic tournaments are better than this Wold Cup. If the World Cup goes back to the old proper format then it is equivalent. If it continues in this way and the Olympics doesn't feature NHLers, we are left with no best on best.
 
JackSlater said:
The recent Olympic tournaments are better than this Wold Cup. If the World Cup goes back to the old proper format then it is equivalent. If it continues in this way and the Olympics doesn't feature NHLers, we are left with no best on best.
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Imo even with a better formula it's not as good as the OG. From what i understand the tournament will always be held in North America. This means the North American teams will have a big advantage in the long run as they will play in front of their crowd at home often.
 
LaP said:
Imo even with a better formula it's not as good as the OG. From what i understand the tournament will always be held in North America. This means the North American teams will have a big advantage in the long run as they will play in front of their crowd at home often.
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So-called World-Champ was held in Canada ONCE ( 2008 ) in a Hundred+Years...Welcome to Our World...
 
ViD said:
Not at Olympics or WHC. The World Cup is not seen as an important tournament in Russia
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The irony will be that you have a good chance to be playing Canada for the Cup. This Russian team looks good.
 
LaP said:
Imo even with a better formula it's not as good as the OG. From what i understand the tournament will always be held in North America. This means the North American teams will have a big advantage in the long run as they will play in front of their crowd at home often.
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I don't believe it's been said anywhere that the tournament would always be held in North America. I'm a bit skeptical that the NHL would host it in Europe any time soon and lose out on the easy money that can be made in Canada, but they haven't come out and said what you suggest.
 
Zamuz said:
I don't see how Russia is that high, USA & Sweden should be ahead, also North America is way too low in that.
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I don't see why Finland should be below USA/Sweden/Russia if it is purely based on results. That's where my money would go.
 
Scotty B said:
So-called World-Champ was held in Canada ONCE ( 2008 ) in a Hundred+Years...Welcome to Our World...
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The "so-called World-Cham" has been around for less than 90 years. Nevermind. But please tell me, how often has Canada applied to host the tournament so far? Two times in all those years, if I am not mistaken. If you want to host it more often, perhaps you should submit a bid every now and then. And that's the difference between the IIHF Worlds and the World Cup right there: Every A nation has the opportunity to host it. Now tell me, where does a country apply to host a World Cup of Hockey?
 
This team just doesn't have a proper defense to be successful at big tournaments, so I don't give a damn, when they will lose. I just hope, that players I like play great hockey. Like some great goals from Panarin - Shipachev - Dadonov line, the only line nowadays that plays the game different, like Soviet lines did it back to those days.

I hope for a good tournament for Tarasenko, because he's a great player and person. A hope Zaitsev will look great, so when young guys like Provorov, Tryamkin, Zadorov, Gavrikov join him, we'll get a balanced team at last, whether at OG or next WCH.
 
If they win the whole thing, it means a lot for them. If not, it was just a meaningless gimmick tournament. I think the same goes with every team. Except Canada maybe.

Hopefully we'll see some fun games though.
 
Tryamkin would be better on this team, than Emelin. I bet Hanzal wouldn't feel himself that comfortable in front of our goal, if Big Nikita was there.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
And that's a perfect example of what's wrong with the Russian program

You guys have learned to accept failure
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:laugh: It's not "accepting failure".

You can complain about Russia's place in your personal top 5, go ahead. But this little tournament with weird teams isn't going to be some shocking eye opener that's going to force any major changes. Russia pretty much fell from the radar in the early 2000s; the SLS bronze brought by Soviet-trained players was the last tango from the USSR era. And we've been recovering since the late 2000s. Medals in 6 straight U20s and pretty good showings at World Championships are a way better indicator of hockey's state than some experiment called "World Cup". Failing in both 2010 and 2014 Olympics, as well as a bad loss to Canada in 2015 final, has shown us enough not to put too much weight in the upcoming tournament.

If we win? Awesome. If we don't - we also don't realistically expect our guys to be the best team in the world with that defense. Is it accepting failure too? Then maybe you have some way to turn Orlov and Kulikov into 2 young Vyacheslav Fetisov clones.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Russia is widely considered by many to be among the top 5 hockey nations in the world yet they haven't won a media at the professional level in a tournament that matters since 2002 that's a span of 14 years without a medal in a best on best tournament.

My question is this, if they don't medal in this tournament do people stop looking at them as part of the big 5?

To me you can go so long without any results before your ranking starts to fall

It my eyes it already has

To me you got

Canada
USA
Sweden
Finland
Czech Republic

Then you get to Russia. Now I know I am not in the majority but I am chrious how much would not medaling in this tournament damage Russia standing as a hockey power among the public as a whole.

Because I think if they don't medal at the World Cup their spot in the top 5 needs to be looked at.
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So you're saying that Russia doesn't belong in the top 5 because of their poor performances in recent Olympics, but you include the Czech Republic?
Last 4 Olympics:
Russia: 3rd, 4th, 6th, 5th. Average is 4.5
Czech: 7th, 3rd, 7th, 7th. Average is 6

Last 3 Olympics:
Russian average is 5
Czech average is 5.67

Last 2 Olympics:
Russian average is 5.5
Czech average is 7

So how is the Czech Republic in the top 5, but not Russia? Not to mention Russia's multiple medals at WHC and WJC in recent years as well.

Russia will always be a part of the big 4/5 because of their rich history and star power.
 
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