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Leafs LW isn't that great in general. I think so far Kerfoot and Bunting have solidified roles in the LW. But Engvall and Ritchie have been questionable. He probably switches in for Engvall. Wouldn't mind seeing Mikheyev get a long look in the top 6. He's asked for it. Lets see if he can do it. Not like Mikheyev over Bunting would cause some huge issue.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
The team is 9-1 in their last 10, the PP is top 10, the PK is top 5, the team is tied for 3rd overall in the entire league.

the team is rolling and Mikyehev isn't far away, and as of right now I don't see a spot for him.

Sure I don't like Engvall he's a black hole offensively and Ritchie has been the same but everything is clicking right now the group has great on ice chemistry so where do you put Mikyehev without messing with that?

because tinkering to much right now is risky.
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While a fair point about chemistry, I don't see a huge risk only because I think Mikyehev is a better version of Engvall defensively and just as bad offensively, so if we're simply replacing Engvall it might be ok.
 
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saltming said:
Engvall replacement. I think once he gets up to speed he will start producing with kase and kampf.
That line plays his style of hockey
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Did you just write that Mikheyev will start producing with Kase and Kampf?

What are you basing that on exactly? He's got the worst set of hands on the entire team

His style of hockey? Offensively challenged?
 
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diehardleafsfan9878 said:
Soup is going to get his shot in the top 6 that Dubas likely promised he'd get. If he doesn't produce he'll likely be traded like he had requested in the off-season.
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Probably right. Mikheyev pre-initial wrist injury I thought could be a 40pt second line winger with ++ utility in his speed and two way play. But he hasn't looked like that player for a good while now. Real shame. He was gangbusters there for a bit.
 
Kiwi said:
Did you just write that Mikheyev will start producing with Kase and Kampf?

What are you basing that on exactly? He's got the worst set of hands on the entire team

His style of hockey? Offensively challenged?
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Lol!
I just think he will do better with a cycling line over a rush line.
His hands were good but he injured his wrist and hasn't been the same since. Hopefully the extra time has helped that out too.
Also I said his offense would improve so if he's that bad I can't be wrong even he becomes a 20 point player
 
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its a rule in most sports, you dont just lose your spot on the team based off of injury, im sure at the start he will get rotated in with simmons/spezz/engvall/ritchie etc and they will evaluate further as he gets games in.
 
saltming said:
Lol!
I just think he will do better with a cycling line over a rush line.
His hands were good but he injured his wrist and hasn't been the same since. Hopefully the extra time has helped that out too.
Also I said his offense would improve so if he's that bad I can't be wrong even he becomes a 20 point player
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He broke his hand, I'm extremely sceptical his hands will be better somehow

20 points? How many pucks are hitting him in the ass and going in to make that happen :laugh:

That line is working, so replacing guys on it now seems counterproductive
 
Twine Tickler said:
I honestly have no clue what will happen.

Micheyev is 100% going to be an auto start in this lineup, he is just such an effective player whether he is able to put up points or not. I thought the obvious subtraction from the lineup was Engvall when Ilya first got hurt, but credit to Pierre he really has been playing well, and it would be a shame to HS him when he finally seems to be simplifying his game and making smarter reads. Ultimately, injuries always occur and Pierre will draw back in at some point. I think I'd trade one of Dermott or Holl to make the cap work, and run this lineup

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Kerfoot - JT -Nylander
Micheyev - Kampf - Kase
Ritchie - Spezza - Simmonds
Engvall

Reilly - Dermott
Muzzin - Brodie
Sandin - Liljegren

Campbell/Mrazek

someone can vet my cap compliancy, but I think the subtraction of Holl in lieu of Micheyev makes sense because Holl has a higher AAV.

I know Bunting is not Ideal on the top line, but he's also never played with Mitch and Auston together, and truthfully I think Ritchie looked pretty good with Spezza and Simmer.

I will say, Engvall seems to get a raw deal here. I've been very critical of him in the past but he is playing very well lately. Sucks to yank him especially for an underperforming Ritchie, but I think there is negative element of Pierre's game that can sometimes get masked by Kampf and Kase's relentlessness. I'm trying not to take anything away from Pierre, although I know I am, I just think he would be less effective with Spezza and Simmer. He seems to compliment Kampf and Kase so well, but I have hesitations putting him with players that have higher turnover to takeaway ratios, because I think Pierre tends to get into trouble when he tries forcing plays.
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I'd rather move Simmonds and/or Engvall unless we're getting another dman for Dermott or Holl. Not much depth on D.
 
Kiwi said:
He broke his hand, I'm extremely sceptical his hands will be better somehow

20 points? How many pucks are hitting him in the ass and going in to make that happen :laugh:

That line is working, so replacing guys on it now seems counterproductive
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I agree that the line is working but who's to say it wouldn't be better?
For the record mikheyev had 23 points in 39 games his first season, the season ended by injury IIRC
The potential is there
 
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saltming said:
Lol!
I just think he will do better with a cycling line over a rush line.
His hands were good but he injured his wrist and hasn't been the same since. Hopefully the extra time has helped that out too.
Also I said his offense would improve so if he's that bad I can't be wrong even he becomes a 20 point player[/QUOT
Yep, he had pretty good stats prior to his wrist injury (in 2019-20 he had 23 points in 39 games)...With Kampf and Kase he'll be an upgrade on Engvall even if he doesn't produce as before. Those 3 can provide us with a heck of a third line. He's been snake bitten for quite a while now but it's possible he regains his confidence and scoring touch. Engvall should help the fourth line and provide insurance in case of injury. It's a good problem to have.
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saltming said:
I agree that the line is working but who's to say it wouldn't be better?
For the record mikheyev had 23 points in 39 games his first season, the season ended by injury IIRC
The potential is there
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Who's to say you don't make it worse? It is actually working right now

That was before he had the tendons in his wrist severed, that is the issue

The Potential to do bugger all certainly
 
Hopefully he replaces Engvall on the Kampf-Kase line, because Engvall is clearly not an NHLer. Even if it's not Mikheyev directly replacing him (if Keefe decides to try him with Tavares for a bit), that should still drop Kerfoot to the Kampf-Kase line.

Either way, Engvall shouldn't be in the lineup when Mikheyev is back.
 
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Kiwi said:
Who's to say you don't make it worse? It is actually working right now

That was before he had the tendons in his wrist severed, that is the issue

The Potential to do bugger all certainly
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So then you just.. stop playing him there. He's one of our better defensive forwards, if that line wants to play keepaway for 15 minutes and never score a goal that's fine by me.
 
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Martin Skoula said:
So then you just.. stop playing him there. He's one of our better defensive forwards, if that line wants to play keepaway for 15 minutes and never score a goal that's fine by me.
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That line is currently playing keep away and scoring, with Engvall

Mikheyev doesn't deserve to be gifted anything, as far as I'm concerned he needs to prove he's better and deserves to be there
 
Kiwi said:
Who's to say you don't make it worse? It is actually working right now

That was before he had the tendons in his wrist severed, that is the issue

The Potential to do bugger all certainly
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Honestly there is only one way to find out.
If it doesn't work or doesn't do as well as with engvall, we can always put him back there.
If you don't try things to improve, then you stagnate.
It is a tough injury to come back from, but not impossible
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Does he? why should he be gifted a spot when the team is rolling like it is?
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the team "rolling" can be attributed to several things
1- MAtthews MArner Tavarres Nylander Campbell
2 a real good 3rd line

so outside of that I don't see how you keep or try to keep Ritchie or simmonds in when you have a better skater in Mik waiting in the wings...also Mik is every bit as good defensively as Engvall and skates as well if not better so I am curious...nows the time for tinkering and figuring out where he fits...it is what it is
 
saltming said:
Honestly there is only one way to find out.
If it doesn't work or doesn't do as well as with engvall, we can always put him back there.
If you don't try things to improve, then you stagnate.
It is a tough injury to come back from, but not impossible
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That argument sounds suspiciously like the one posters used when they wanted a certain winger removed from Matthews LW, I remember you being against fixing things that aren't broke then

That was you wasn't it?

Forgive me for having some doubts about somebody that's been back for plenty of time and still couldn't hit the ass end of a barn from 10 feet
 
JayfromNB1219 said:
the team "rolling" can be attributed to several things
1- MAtthews MArner Tavarres Nylander Campbell
2 a real good 3rd line

so outside of that I don't see how you keep or try to keep Ritchie or simmonds in when you have a better skater in Mik waiting in the wings...also Mik is every bit as good defensively as Engvall and skates as well if not better so I am curious...nows the time for tinkering and figuring out where he fits...it is what it is
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Unnecessary tinkering with a winning lineup is not a good idea
 
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