What happens with Mikyehev when he comes back?

[zeke]

Certainly isn't somebody with a career high of 8 goals and 23 points in this his 3rd season.

Maybe he could have been a top 6 forward but his wrist injury ended that

maybe you can tell us what a top-6 forward is first. so then we can decided for ourselves whether Mikheyev can be one, without relying on your partial season stat count as the final word.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Looking good but given he is a pending UFA, do you sell high or let him walk for nothing ?? Raised the question but I'm pretty sure he won't be moved and most likely gets paid elsewhere.

Which is fine he's replaceable because he's a depth piece, no matter how good they are, they are always, ALWAYS replaceable that's what makes them depth pieces.

Case in point Hyman out Bunting in.

Thornton out Kampf in.

Foligno out Ritchie in.

Galch out Kase in.

not only were they all replaced but I would argue they have all been upgraded on, even Ritchie who has not been great is still probably better than Foligno.

Mikyehev is no different he too is replaceable

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

maybe you can tell us what a top-6 forward is first. so then we can decided for ourselves whether Mikheyev can be one, without relying on your partial season stat count as the final word.

I mean I'm literally using his entire NHL career so I'm not sure what you want

 

[ToneDog]

Which is fine he's replaceable because he's a depth piece, no matter how good they are, they are always, ALWAYS replaceable that's what makes them depth pieces.

Case in point Hyman out Bunting in.

Thornton out Kampf in.

Foligno out Ritchie in.

Galch out Kase in.

not only were they all replaced but I would argue they have all been upgraded on, even Ritchie who has not been great is still probably better than Foligno.

Mikyehev is no different he too is replaceable

No question 65 is replaceable but it is hit and miss (more hits this year than last 2). As it stands we have plenty of such pieces now so why not get something for him ?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No question 65 is replaceable but it is hit and miss (more hits this year than last 2). As it stands we have plenty of such pieces now so why not get something for him ?

I wouldn't be against that as long as those pieces are used to acquire someone else

 

[Oscar Peterson]

No question 65 is replaceable but it is hit and miss (more hits this year than last 2). As it stands we have plenty of such pieces now so why not get something for him ?

Because we are trying to a cup, and Mikheyev is better than Engvall, Simmonds, Ritchie, debatably Spezza in terms of the context and roles both play for our team, even Kampf though again he plays a unique and valuable role for us. Also he only costs 1.15mil against the cap this year, can't see anyway we could upgrade for that kind of money.

I've always liked Mikheyev a lot, dude hustles like crazy and skates his ass off game in and game out, he's really capable along the boards too in both zones. It's great to see him pot a couple already and get the monkey off his back, he's not going to ever be a serious goal scorer but he is also not as offensively inept as last season would indicate. I wouldn't blame him for signing with a different team for more money after this year, but I'd also love if we found a way to bring him back. Mikheyev-Kampf-Kase has all the makings of an incredible shutdown line to me. Also I find it funny how almost no one on this site can spell his name right

 

[AvroArrow]

Looking good but given he is a pending UFA, do you sell high or let him walk for nothing ?? Raised the question but I'm pretty sure he won't be moved and most likely gets paid elsewhere.

Well we're trying to compete now. Would our roster this year be better with him, or better with whatever his return is ? That's what it'll come down too. If Dubas thinks he can sell high on him and get better, he'll be gone. If it's likely a lateral move, he stays here. It'll be another one of, our own rentals.

I personally would like to keep him. I love his energy/compete, he has looked good in the small sample size he has played so far. Pre-wrist injury he was looking like a stud. We need LW badly so I think he'll most likely stay here and sign elsewhere in the summer.

 

[ToneDog]

Well we're trying to compete now. Would our roster this year be better with him, or better with whatever his return is ? That's what it'll come down too. If Dubas thinks he can sell high on him and get better, he'll be gone. If it's likely a lateral move, he stays here. It'll be another one of, our own rentals.

I personally would like to keep him. I love his energy/compete, he has looked good in the small sample size he has played so far. Pre-wrist injury he was looking like a stud. We need LW badly so I think he'll most likely stay here and sign elsewhere in the summer.

Agree, be hard to trade him as a rental and get an upgrade at the same time. If he keeps playing like he is, zero chance they move him. I raised the question knowing the most likely answer because he is a pending UFA and as it stands when healthy, 2 of Ritchie, Engvall and Cliffy will be sitting.

 

[Stephen]

Looks like things are balancing out for Mikheyev offensively.

 

[Buds17]

Looking good but given he is a pending UFA, do you sell high or let him walk for nothing ?? Raised the question but I'm pretty sure he won't be moved and most likely gets paid elsewhere.

I think he would have been moved in the offseason if a trade was the plan. A good performance throughout the rest of the season will make the decision to re-sign or not an interesting one. He can be quite effective when healthy, but...

 

[zeke]

I mean I'm literally using his entire NHL career so I'm not sure what you want

Are you?

What is a top 6 forward, exactly?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Are you?

What is a top 6 forward, exactly?

Yes I am, in his entire NHL career his career high in goals is 8, his career high in points is 23.

You cannot argue that is a top 6 forward.

For me Alex Kerfoot is the bare minimum of a top 6 forward and let me be very clear I still want Alex Kerfoot on the 3rd line because I think most, if not all cup winners have at least 1 guy good enough to be in the top 6 on the 3rd line I think you need that.

But Alex Kerfoot is the bare minimum because Alex Kerfoot can give you 40 points he's done it in Colorado and actually on pace for significantly more right now.

Michael Bunting is another interesting case he has 19 points so far we will see if he keeps it up.

I don't think Mikyehev can give you 40 points, I think he's a good player but I don't think he can hit 20-20 or 15-25 he just doesn't have that offense.

He might have but that wrist injury ended that.

 

[zeke]

Yes I am, in his entire NHL career his career high in goals is 8, his career high in points is 23.

You cannot argue that is a top 6 forward.

For me Alex Kerfoot is the bare minimum of a top 6 forward and let me be very clear I still want Alex Kerfoot on the 3rd line because I think most, if not all cup winners have at least 1 guy good enough to be in the top 6 on the 3rd line I think you need that.

But Alex Kerfoot is the bare minimum because Alex Kerfoot can give you 40 points he's done it in Colorado and actually on pace for significantly more right now.

Michael Bunting is another interesting case he has 19 points so far we will see if he keeps it up.

I don't think Mikyehev can give you 40 points, I think he's a good player but I don't think he can hit 20-20 or 15-25 he just doesn't have that offense.

He might have but that wrist injury ended that.

why are you so concerned with "career highs" when he's never even had the opportunity to play a full season?

He's produced at a 15gl/37pt pace so far in his 96gm game career, despite getting almost no PP time, getting relatively little ice time with top-6 linemates, and despite having to come back from a terrible injury.

Would it really shock you to see him up that pace to over 40pts with PP time and better linemates?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

why are you so concerned with "career highs" when he's never even had the opportunity to play a full season?

He's produced at a 15gl/37pt pace so far in his 96gm game career, despite getting almost no PP time, getting relatively little ice time with top-6 linemates, and despite having to come back from a terrible injury.

Would it really shock you to see him up that pace to over 40pts with PP time and better linemates?

Yeah because I don't think that's in him, like I said I think that wrist injury killed any chance of that.

But regardless he's not getting better linemates here because the forward core is to deep.

Also he appears injury prone in general he's coming off the second major injury of his career.

So even if he still has the ability he's missed 71 games in his career he can't stay healthy

 

[Fogelhund]

Yeah because I don't think that's in him, like I said I think that wrist injury killed any chance of that.

But regardless he's not getting better linemates here because the forward core is to deep.

Also he appears injury prone in general he's coming off the second major injury of his career.

So even if he still has the ability he's missed 71 games in his career he can't stay healthy

Hot Take central, this guy is at it again...

Yes, getting your tendon in a wrist sliced, by a skate certainly shows that you are injury prone...

People with chronic knee issues, chronic concussions etc... those are injury prone players. Someone with TWO freak accident injuries, are not to be declared injury prone.

Seriously, you have some of the most extreme takes, and panic posts of anyone around here. If we have success this year, Mikheyev will be an important part of that, both on the PK, PP, and as a third liner. He's going to get his opportunity to shine here. Any return we'd get in a trade, would certainly be of relatively little use for a Cup run..... He's a guy we keep, and he's a pretty good player.

 

[zeke]

Yeah because I don't think that's in him, like I said I think that wrist injury killed any chance of that.

But regardless he's not getting better linemates here because the forward core is to deep.

Also he appears injury prone in general he's coming off the second major injury of his career.

So even if he still has the ability he's missed 71 games in his career he can't stay healthy

I guess maybe.

But would you be at all surprised if he just didn't have any more major injuries? Do you really think getting your wrist cut by a skate is being injury prone?

 

[Oscar Peterson]

Hot Take central, this guy is at it again...

Yes, getting your tendon in a wrist sliced, by a skate certainly shows that you are injury prone...

I've read a lot of weird stuff on this site over the years, but this might take the cake ahaha

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I guess maybe.

But would you be at all surprised if he just didn't have any more major injuries? Do you really think getting your wrist cut by a skate is being injury prone?

Like I said he's had his second major injury.

I just don't think he's ever going to be what he could have been without that wrist injury.

I think he could have been a top 6 forward without that wrist injury but that's gone now.

Now he's 3rd line and PK and that's fine that's useful and he will have little spurts like he's had the last 2 games.

But he won't be what he could have been

 

[ACC1224]

Injury prone or unlucky?? At the end of the day does it matter if you can't stay in the lineup?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Hot Take central, this guy is at it again...

Yes, getting your tendon in a wrist sliced, by a skate certainly shows that you are injury prone...

People with chronic knee issues, chronic concussions etc... those are injury prone players. Someone with TWO freak accident injuries, are not to be declared injury prone.

Seriously, you have some of the most extreme takes, and panic posts of anyone around here. If we have success this year, Mikheyev will be an important part of that, both on the PK, PP, and as a third liner. He's going to get his opportunity to shine here. Any return we'd get in a trade, would certainly be of relatively little use for a Cup run..... He's a guy we keep, and he's a pretty good player.

I never said he wasn't a good player I said he wasn't a top 6 forward.

I said he could have been but that wrist injury ended that.

Now he's 3rd line and PK and that's fine that's useful but it's not what he could have been.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Injury prone or unlucky?? At the end of the day does it matter if you can't stay in the lineup?

It does not the result is the same, you end up out

 

[Fogelhund]

I never said he wasn't a good player I said he wasn't a top 6 forward.

I said he could have been but that wrist injury ended that.

Now he's 3rd line and PK and that's fine that's useful but it's not what he could have been.

His story isn't over yet.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Looks like things are balancing out for Mikheyev offensively.

Engaged and motivated Mikeyev is fun to watch.

 

[Community]

Yes I am, in his entire NHL career his career high in goals is 8, his career high in points is 23.

You cannot argue that is a top 6 forward.

For me Alex Kerfoot is the bare minimum of a top 6 forward and let me be very clear I still want Alex Kerfoot on the 3rd line because I think most, if not all cup winners have at least 1 guy good enough to be in the top 6 on the 3rd line I think you need that.

But Alex Kerfoot is the bare minimum because Alex Kerfoot can give you 40 points he's done it in Colorado and actually on pace for significantly more

If 40pts is what you think is bare minimum for a top 6 forward then I don't know why you don't consider Mikheyev a top 6 forward or at least see an argument for it.

In his one healthy year he put up 23pts in 39 games (48pt pace) and he has an exceptional defensive game and PK ability to go with it.


You're going off of career highs for a guy with 2 years in the NHL that include a season ending injury to a promising rookie campaign and a covid-shortened season. He most definitely has potential to be a top 6 guy.

I'm not saying he for sure is/will be, but you also can't say he for sure isn't/can't be.

 

[bbgobie]

If he can be speedy, play sound defence, be a threat and contributor on the PK and pot some goals and not be a total offensive black hole he's got a spot in the top 9 for me.
Pulling for him, he can be really useful if he can gain some offensive confidence back.