Speculation: What does Kyle Dubas do with less than 7 million dollars?

[hamzarocks]

I am being honest that its crazy they were able to string all of that stuff together.

Would it be dishonest to remove a year that they outright missed the playoffs?

Look at the Bolts from 2014 to 2019

1st round exit -swept
SCF loss in 6
ECF loss in 7
Missed the playoffs-, due to injuries but we can ignore that if you want
ECF loss in 7
1st round exit - swept

That 6 year period is >>>> leafs 6 year period from 2017 to 2022

They win 7 playoff series in 6 years. We won 0

Them missing the playoffs once due to their best players being injured for most of the year doesn't matter when they proved in 2018 and 2019 that they're a easy playoff team (also had 1 deep run)

2020 to 2022 has put them at a level the leafs won't be touching ever.

We won't get 4 SCFs and 2 cups from this core.

There is 2 years left at min and 3 at max, with JT being moved on from after that .

The stuff you said is just a way to undermine their accomplishments.

You undermine the great signings by jumping to the tax benefit right away lol,n which other teams have available but still can't build elite teams

You mention insane playoff goaltending but you do realize their 1G is a core piece and is the best goalie in the world since 2019.

Tampa didn't overpay for a external 1C who was not built to be a playoff player.

JT 11M is the sole reason we haven't won under the dubas era imo

That could be better allocated and get us 2 impact playoff players rather than a 0.7 ppg 11M center

 

[Stephen]

This exactly! Robertson is too easily pushed off the puck. That's the last thing the Leafs need. We also have a coach who does well like the team in the regular season but has no answers in the playoffs when the PP fails and teams clog up center ice.

Robertson plays like a slower Trevor Moore but has a secret shot he struggles to get open to take.

 

[Racer88]

The same Tampa core arguably more in their primes also got swept in the biggest collapse/choke....maybe in history before their run.

It's what made Tampa's extended run so improbable in the cap era.

They had to have good $ signings (thanks tax rate) + good health + great team play + insane playoff goaltending + crazy puck luck + no key players play taking a nosedive + favorable officiating (Hello against the Leafs) to all make it work....

I believe in Tampa’s last 8 years they made the conference final 6 times, cup finals 3 times and won 2 cups.
In our last 8 years we have made the playoffs 6 times and lost first round all 6 times.
One team is not like the other

 

[Go4soda]

115 point team with their top players, other than Tavares, just entering their prime.

Already upgraded their defense with Giordano.

Need their goaltender sorted out, and someone to join the 2nd. line.

Bottom 6 will be easy to fill, already have 2 capable centers for the bottom 6.

some playoff success would be great.

 

[Stephen]

I'm thinking Kerfoot will be moved out. He's a better #3LWer IMO but he is a decent #3C.

Prospects that are ready to compete are great but we need prospects who are ready to play in the NHL. I'm not sure we have many. Love to see Knies and Robbie on lines 2 and 3 by playoff time but I think Robbie could be trade bait.

Kerfoot actually possesses a very good skillset. Great slater, handles the puck like a dream for a non top six regular and shows a level of jam and creativity that’s always surprising. But it’s kind of weird how most of the time he’s just very vanilla. He’s fairly expensive for what he is and I’d love to move him. But also could see how we realize he brought more to the table than first imagined.

 

[Racer88]

The point is he cares, and it's entirely his decision.

Fair enough but it sure would be nice to see him with the Leafs this year

 

[Apex Predator]

Fair enough but it sure would be nice to see him with the Leafs this year

He still might play with the leafs this year. He could be signed late in the season for down the stretch after the deadline like abreuze was

 

[RoadWarrior]

Kerfoot actually possesses a very good skillset. Great slater, handles the puck like a dream for a non top six regular and shows a level of jam and creativity that’s always surprising. But it’s kind of weird how most of the time he’s just very vanilla. He’s fairly expensive for what he is and I’d love to move him. But also could see how we realize he brought more to the table than first imagined.

Kerfoot is like the new Jason Blake. Great skill set but at the end of the game you see no points and a minus with a bad penalty thrown in. Classic tools but no toolkit kind of player.

He's very replaceable. That's why he almost wound up in Seattle.

 

[Dekes For Days]

A good team is judged mainly on playoffs.

Playoff outcomes may be more important to you as a fan, but regular season is unquestionably a better measure of team quality. Which is why nobody had Montreal as the 2nd best team.

Regardless, Leaf were better in both the regular season and playoffs.

 

[Stephen]

Kerfoot is like the new Jason Blake. Great skill set but at the end of the game you see no points and a minus with a bad penalty thrown in. Classic tools but no toolkit kind of player.

He's very replaceable. That's why he almost wound up in Seattle.

Yep. He’s Jason Blake without the shot… or a Grabovski but without the guts…

 

[Nylanderthal]

Wish we could undo Dubas Albatross in JT but he's unmovable

0.7 ppg for 11M I'm the playoffs. No wonder this guys always compared to Stamkos. Another playoff underperformer

….. is this satire?

 

[Stephen]

Playoff outcomes may be more important to you as a fan, but regular season is unquestionably a better measure of team quality. Which is why nobody had Montreal as the 2nd best team.

Regardless, Leaf were better in both the regular season and playoffs.

In hockey culture, an elite regular season is only the appetizer while winning in the playoffs is the main course, with maybe post season awards being the dessert.

 

[Mess]

This is always an exciting time for Leaf Nation as we sit on eggshells in anticipation to see who these final pieces will become.

Here is what we do know, and that this core and the majority of the current team now has proven they're not able to win a single playoff round.

So if you factor out the common denominators of the static team players, that continue to lose in round #1. then by extension it means the missing pieces of a successful Cup winning team are among this $7 mil or less changes we are about to see coming.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I would rather he play for the Leafs right now. Nobody will ever remember him winning an NCAA championship. It will be a byline in his resume.


Ya that’s what poster KB was saying as well.

You would. But on the other hand it is important to him. He wants the championship.

 

[ACC1224]

In hockey culture, an elite regular season is only the appetizer while winning in the playoffs is the main course, with maybe post season awards being the dessert.

It doesn't take much more than a basic understanding of sport, not just hockey, to know that post season play is really all that matters.

 

[Dekes For Days]

In hockey culture, an elite regular season is only the appetizer while winning in the playoffs is the main course, with maybe post season awards being the dessert.

You can use whatever analogy you want. Doesn't change the fact that the regular season is a better representation of team quality. And again, Leafs were better in both the regular season and playoffs anyway.

Are they taking Sheshterkin off the Rangers next year?

Of course not. That doesn't mean he's going to repeat one of the best goaltending seasons in the cap era every year. He could put up a season like the year before, where his total GSAx was less than 10% of what it was this past year. Or, as is most likely, he'll be somewhere in the middle of those two.

 

[rocketman588]

The amount of cap space the Leafs have heading into this offseason is actually much higher. CapFriendly currently has Abruzzese, Clifford and Kallgren on the active roster. If you assume they are on the Marlies next year, and that Mrazek is at the very least bought out, the number is around 11.5M. If the Leafs move Holl as well, that would bring the number to around 13.5M.

We have less then the current number because all those listed above are on league min and we have 16 players. When we sign roster dudes that number will go down for example when you replace Clifford on the roster for like a million dollar guy you lose 200k obviously.

We can trade away the cap hits obviously but need to replace them as well as a roster spot.

If Dubas buys out Petr I'll be pissed that is a jack Campbell cap hit on the books for 4 years for nothing

 

[kb]

I would rather he play for the Leafs right now. Nobody will ever remember him winning an NCAA championship. It will be a byline in his resume.

Oh I get that. Maybe it's because he came so close and wanted to finish the job. I'd rather have him signed and pushing for a spot at this point, but good on the kid for realizing that championships are hard to come by.

I suspect he'll sign once his NCAA season is over and will probably go right into the lineup.

 

[Community]

It doesn't take much more than a basic understanding of sport, not just hockey, to know that post season play is really all that matters.

Not true. You still have to make the playoffs and seeding is very important.

By the time you get through 3 rounds, there's usually one team that had a much easier path and they have a distinct advantage (typically less injuries, more rest, etc.).

There have been plenty of teams that just sneaked into the playoffs that went on long runs and I'm sure there are teams in the past that just missed the playoffs that could've went on a Cinderella run and win it all if they could've had one or 2 more wins in the regular season (LA is a good example when they barely made the playoffs then had one of the best/most dominant playoff runs).


Yes, playoff success > regular season, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think they aren't both important.

 

[hamzarocks]

….. is this satire?

John Tavares being an albatross? A hyperbole sure, but one that is costing the leafs a chance at the cup

You don't pay 75 pt center 11M in the regular season

And in the playoffs, JT has cost us/been huge at 2 of our series losses already.

2019 (selfish hockey, where he puck hogged and tried to take the bruins on head one when his winger should have gotten the puck more) vs 2020 (3 in 5, missed chance after chance, missing the emptiest of nets possible in game 5).

He's been a solid 2C in the playoffs with 14 pts in 20 games. Not an impact player and he's the reason we can't add an elite G or trade/sign an elite 1D to push Rielly down a spot.

JT at 11M needs to have the 2nd highest expectations, and performance behind 34. Matthews is beginning to live up to his deal now in the playoffs.

Tavares isn't here to make a basic board play, or score a garbage goal while we're getting blown out. He needs to drive the line with whoever he plays with.

People make excuses for him saying Nylander doesn't work with him lol. Nylander is a ppg winger, if JT can't work with him he should be moved.

JT needs to be accountable. He gets the least blame of the big 4, while being the worse player, the oldest, the Captain, and the most overpaid.

 

[All Mod Cons]

It doesn't take much more than a basic understanding of sport, not just hockey, to know that post season play is really all that matters.

I don't know about you, but in the World Cup (footy), I actually value the group stage games more than the knockouts. I mean sure, Brazil, Germany, Spain and Italy have a number of trophies between them, but I really get amped for that 1-0 victory against Tunisia in game 2. Pump it into my veins.

 

[ACC1224]

Not true. You still have to make the playoffs and seeding is very important.

By the time you get through 3 rounds, there's usually one team that had a much easier path and they have a distinct advantage (typically less injuries, more rest, etc.).

There have been plenty of teams that just sneaked into the playoffs that went on long runs and I'm sure there are teams in the past that just missed the playoffs that could've went on a Cinderella run and win it all if they could've had one or 2 more wins in the regular season (LA is a good example when they barely made the playoffs then had one of the best/most dominant playoff runs).


Yes, playoff success > regular season, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think they aren't both important.

Yes you have to make the playoffs to realize the importance of the playoffs.
Regular season will never trump the post season.

 

[keonsbitterness]

You can use whatever analogy you want. Doesn't change the fact that the regular season is a better representation of team quality. And again, Leafs were better in both the regular season and playoffs anyway.

Two teams start rebuilding around the same time and keep the same core. Over a ten year stretch, Team A has elite regular season analytics but can't win in the playoffs, while Team B has less-than-elite regular season analytics but can win in the playoffs.

Which team is better?

 

[ACC1224]

Two teams start rebuilding around the same time and keep the same core. Over a ten year stretch, Team A has elite regular season analytics but can't win in the playoffs, while Team B has less-than-elite regular season analytics but can win in the playoffs.

Which team is better?

Whichever one Dubas is running.

 

[Nineteen67]

Playoff outcomes may be more important to you as a fan, but regular season is unquestionably a better measure of team quality. Which is why nobody had Montreal as the 2nd best team.

Regardless, Leaf were better in both the regular season and playoffs.

Shannon, no it’s not.