Speculation: What does Kyle Dubas do with less than 7 million dollars?

[thusk]

the OT goal is tricky - i would have loved for him to control a point blank shot low right pad. that goal i was far more frustrated at the neutral zone turnover, poor reactionary coverage outside and being outmanned 2-1 in front of the net and holl attacking the corner.

i don't agree with the paul second goal, bouncing puck in feet / dman not taking the body/stick and a split second shot.

i just don't see it - i'm as much on the fence with campbell as anyone but i don't see a mountain they couldn't climb here.

Marner just lost his balance on neutral zone...and yeah its was a weird shot but his reaction was poor

Paul second im not telling brodie made the right play but you need your goalie making key save at the right time, not just easy save... and Campbell failed everytime

A give you Binnington as exemple, hes not fantastic and overal im not sure if hes really a better goalie than Campbell but hes clutch. Hes got that ability to elevate his game when his team needed the most... Thats what im looming for a goalie. A 0.922 like Markstrom or andersen who got good regular season stats but failed almost everytime their need their goalie to step up..

Binnington, Gibson or maybe a fleury but not sure what his level is... or a Murray if hes buy out could be a pretty good option too. It what i want as goalie

 

[Dekes For Days]

The NHL had the highest goal scoring rate in 20 years due to the cross checking crack down

The NHL had a slightly higher rate of scoring this year (less than 4% higher than the rate a couple years ago), but not because of any "cross checking crack down" (which also isn't a "rule change"). They say stuff like that every year and then it trails off after a couple weeks, or they just replace other penalties with the X penalty they want to focus on. This year was the lowest powerplay opportunity rate in the cap era so whatever you think was going to happen clearly didn't materialize. The situation that resulted in higher scoring this year is not remotely similar to the situation that resulted in higher scoring near the beginning of the cap era.

In fact the expected goal rate ( your favorite stat) was 0.3 goals a game higher then last year and the highest in the history of the stat.

What are you even talking about? What stat exactly are you referencing, where did you get your information, and what exactly do you think you would be proving anyway? Also, again, Matthews paced for 50+ and 60+ goals outside of just this season anyway, so I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to paint this season as an outlier.

But Igors stats in this environment are unsustainable.

Yeah. In any environment. What exactly about this "environment" (whatever you think that is) do you think makes it more sustainable? If anything, it would be less.

We can go back to acting like garbage time goals in the playoffs show catcher again since somehow that's something you also believe

"Show catcher"? What? How about instead of misquoting and misrepresenting what I believe, you instead try supporting and justifying what you believe.

 

[andora]

Marner just lost his balance on neutral zone...and yeah its was a weird shot but his reaction was poor

Paul second im not telling brodie made the right play but you need your goalie making key save at the right time, not just easy save... and Campbell failed everytime

A give you Binnington as exemple, hes not fantastic and overal im not sure if hes really a better goalie than Campbell but hes clutch. Hes got that ability to elevate his game when his team needed the most... Thats what im looming for a goalie. A 0.922 like Markstrom or andersen who got good regular season stats but failed almost everytime their need their goalie to step up..

Binnington, Gibson or maybe a fleury but not sure what his level is... or a Murray if hes buy out could be a pretty good option too. It what i want as goalie

still don't see the blame on campbell for this series

 

[Nylanderthal]

still don't see the blame on campbell for this series

The two goals in game 7 were butter soft, he wasn’t very good in games 2 or 4. They were down 3-0 inside 5 minutes because jack couldn’t make a stop

 

[Leaf Fans]

Resign

Well there are some who wouldn't mind that, but if he did re-sign for 5 more years, he would still have the 7 million. A trade would affect the amount though.

 

[Morbo]

The two goals in game 7 were butter soft, he wasn’t very good in games 2 or 4. They were down 3-0 inside 5 minutes because jack couldn’t make a stop

getting dunked on by Nick Paul, rather embarrassing

 

[andora]

The two goals in game 7 were butter soft, he wasn’t very good in games 2 or 4. They were down 3-0 inside 5 minutes because jack couldn’t make a stop

i went back and watched them. the first goal sure could have used a save. 2nd goal muzzin could have actually stopped that puck. jack didn't help by deflecting it but brodie was in la la land, and reilly stops skating for any support on the third.

with that said no i don't want him back - i think there is too much mental going on for this market and 7 years of pressure

 

[Trapper]

Both Campbell and Anderson gave us enough to at least have won a round.

People here are expecting some kind of perfection from the goalie position. Doesn’t exist. Take a look at some of the games thrown out by Keumper and Smith.

If you need perfection from one piece, maybe the team isn’t that good in the playoffs.

 

[Nineteen67]

The two goals in game 7 were butter soft, he wasn’t very good in games 2 or 4. They were down 3-0 inside 5 minutes because jack couldn’t make a stop

Nylander was butter soft against the Tampa D man with about 4 mins left in game 7. How can that be?

 

[paulhiggins]

Nylander was butter soft against the Tampa D man with about 4 mins left in game 7. How can that be?

Nylabutter! Unlike cannabutter you cannot transform Nylabutter into something great because it's his dad's recipe.

 

[thusk]

still don't see the blame on campbell for this series

I dont blame him... he was not bad but he was not good... he was okay and thats the problem... when you playing a clutch goalie and your goalie is just okay, you will need to be almost perfect in front like colorado did against tampa...

 

[socko]

Tampa kicked McDonagh out the door. A guy with a pretty reasonable contract. And we have Kyle Dubas. That's why we're pretenders.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Tampa kicked McDonagh out the door. A guy with a pretty reasonable contract. And we have Kyle Dubas. That's why we're pretenders.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Tampa kicked McDonagh out the door. A guy with a pretty reasonable contract. And we have Kyle Dubas. That's why we're pretenders.

Reasonable contract? He's a 33 yr old dman with some of the hardest miles on him in the NHL, making almost 7M for the next 4 yrs. He's an awesome D man but that contract is why Tampa just gave him away for nothing and the same reason we are talking about moving on from JT and Muzzin.

I doubt Dubas moves JT but Muzzin is a realistic possibility

 

[Anthrax442]

Tampa moved McDonough and he was replaced by another player. If you move JT, who will play 2C? Cost of acquisition of such player is very high and I doubt they have the assets.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Both Campbell and Anderson gave us enough to at least have won a round.

People here are expecting some kind of perfection from the goalie position. Doesn’t exist. Take a look at some of the games thrown out by Keumper and Smith.

If you need perfection from one piece, maybe the team isn’t that good in the playoffs.

Inconceivable!

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tampa kicked McDonagh out the door. A guy with a pretty reasonable contract. And we have Kyle Dubas. That's why we're pretenders.

Not really sure how one could conclude that Tampa being forced to lose a very good defenseman for pretty much nothing because of cap constraints makes us pretenders...

 

[notbias]

Both Campbell and Anderson gave us enough to at least have won a round.

People here are expecting some kind of perfection from the goalie position. Doesn’t exist. Take a look at some of the games thrown out by Keumper and Smith.

If you need perfection from one piece, maybe the team isn’t that good in the playoffs.

sub .900 goaltending is not enough... but honestly, Campbell didn't play badly, he just didn't play above average. I wouldn't want him back unless he got paid an average salary.

Andersen is mentally weak and gave up terrible goals all the time.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

In order to make meaningful upgrades to this line up Kerfoot, Holl and Mrazek need to be moved. With those 3 moved we have roughly 15.7 million.
Rfa
Sandin 1.3 x 2
Engvall 1.5 x 1

Ufa
Johan Larsson 1.6 x 2
Zar 1.3 x 2
Marchment 3.5 x 4
Husso 3.55 x 3
Comrie 1.2 x 2

Bunting Matthews Marner
Marchment Tavares Nylander
Robertson Larsson Engvall
Zar Kampf Steeves/ Anderson

Reilly Liljegren
Muzzin Brodie
Sandin Gio

Husso
Comrie

Pretty solid team

 

[ToneDog]

Tampa moved McDonough and he was replaced by another player. If you move JT, who will play 2C? Cost of acquisition of such player is very high and I doubt they have the assets.

Kerfoot. LOL.

 

[Mess]

Reasonable contract? He's a 33 yr old dman with some of the hardest miles on him in the NHL, making almost 7M for the next 4 yrs. He's an awesome D man but that contract is why Tampa just gave him away for nothing and the same reason we are talking about moving on from JT and Muzzin.

I doubt Dubas moves JT but Muzzin is a realistic possibility

Winning comes at a cost, and in order to re-sign both Nick Paul and Ondrej Palat (who both scored key playoff goals) the Lightening decided to move on from an aging Dman to make cap space, as you can't keep everyone when trying to keep winning teams together.

The equivalent would be Leafs moving on from a injury prone aging player like Muzzin (wo missed 25-35 games a year to concussion and other injuries) and free up more cap space for the Leafs, but Leafs don't have the same problems of trying to keep a winning team together and paying for playoff performance issues. They're content to let their UFA walk much like Hyman so he can score 11 goals in 16 playoff games as Edmonton advanced to the final 4.

The only players we might see moved are ones the GM made mistakes on like trading Kadri for Kerfoot to save $1 mil in cap space, and his signing of Mrazek to that contract at $3.8 mil instead of keeping Andersen at $4.5 mil. Protecting Holl in the expansion draft because he only made $2 mil and deem irreplaceable at that price point.

 

[notbias]

Tampa moved McDonough and he was replaced by another player. If you move JT, who will play 2C? Cost of acquisition of such player is very high and I doubt they have the assets.

Silly argument, the equivalent is us moving Muzzin and we have Gio/Sandin to step in.

 

[notbias]

Winning comes at a cost, and in order to re-sign both Nick Paul and Ondrej Palat (who both scored key playoff goals) the Lightening decided to move on from an aging Dman to make cap space, as you can't keep everyone when trying to keep winning teams together.

The equivalent would be Leafs moving on from a injury prone aging player like Muzzin (wo missed 25-35 games a year to concussion and other injuries) and free up more cap space for the Leafs, but Leafs don't have the same problems of trying to keep a winning team together and paying for playoff performance issues. They're content to let their UFA walk much like Hyman so he can score 11 goals in 16 playoff games as Edmonton advanced to the final 4.

The only players we might see moved are ones the GM made mistakes on like trading Kadri for Kerfoot to save $1 mil in cap space, and his signing of Mrazek to that contract at $3.8 mil instead of keeping Andersen at $4.5 mil. Protecting Holl in the expansion draft because he only made $2 mil and deem irreplaceable at that price point.

Aging Dman? He is still a #2 and a good one, Tampa's D just got worse.

Winning come at a cost? They lost.

Hyman was trash for us, you'll try to spin anything.

"The only players we might see moved are the players who when moved will potentially make our team better", ya, clearly, they aren't going to move good players on good contracts, that would be insane.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Winning comes at a cost, and in order to re-sign both Nick Paul and Ondrej Palat (who both scored key playoff goals) the Lightening decided to move on from an aging Dman to make cap space

1. They didn't win.
2. They haven't re-signed Palat, and Paul played at a 32 point pace in the playoffs.
3. McDonagh is not just an "aging Dman". He is a very big part of Tampa's defense. He plays the 2nd most minutes overall, he played the most ES minutes in the playoffs, and he takes the hardest minutes and matchups on the team.

Based on the incorrect claim you like to make - that defense wins championships - wouldn't this be a horrible move, especially to make room for more forwards?
Wouldn't a GM being forced into a move like this due to cap constraints be something you would criticize other GMs for?

They're content to let their UFA walk much like Hyman so he can score 11 goals in 16 playoff games

I think you mean they're content to not sign secondary players to horrible deals, especially when they'd never scored more than 1 goal in a playoff series, and only had 5 points in 19 games in their 3 most recent series.

Kadri for Kerfoot to save $1 mil in cap space

That was not the trade or the reason. The trade was Kadri for Kerfoot + Barrie (50% retained), and the trade happened because Kadri had been suspended in two consecutive playoffs after a history of discipline issues.

his signing of Mrazek to that contract at $3.8 mil instead of keeping Andersen at $4.5 mil.

Keeping Andersen wasn't an option after he sucked for 2+ years and gave up on the team, not to even mention his propensity for giving up back-breaking playoff goals.

Protecting Holl in the expansion draft

That wasn't a mistake. That was the correct decision.

 

[ACC1224]

Any Leaf fan that wouldn’t welcome Tampas situation is lying to themselves.