Speculation: What does Kyle Dubas do with less than 7 million dollars?

[Dekes For Days]

What do you mean by the Leafs "pushing back"?

The argument was that we just laid down and gave up whenever we went down, which is wildly incorrect.

We fought back to get 3 goals in Game 2 in a lost game.
We fought back to get 3 goals in game 4 in a lost game.
We were down 2-0 early in game 5 and fought back to win it.
We were down 2-0 in game 6 and fought back to take a 3-2 lead before the reffing shenanigans.
We got scored on first in game 7 and fought back to tie it up - twice.

Even last year in game 5 and 6 we were down a few early and we fought back to tie it. And the year before that, we had one of the craziest comebacks in NHL history.

The Leafs went ahead in the series 1-0, 2-1 and 3-2 with noticeable drop offs in play quality in Game 2 and 4 when they completely no showed to try and extend the series lead to 2x games.

We didn't "completely no show". Just because you lose a game, it doesn't mean you didn't go in there and try and win.

the trend of the series was Toronto with the upper hand but unable to put Tampa away.

This is a different argument anyway, but we were perfectly fine putting Tampa away until the refs started taking over.

Especially alarming, they could have made the series 3-1 coming home, but Keefe hung up the "mission accomplished banner" 2-2 going home.

There was no "mission accomplished" banner. People sure do like to exaggerate common, nothing statements around here. Acknowledging that your team had a split in the opponent's territory and you have a best-of-3 with home ice advantage isn't unusual for a coach, and it doesn't mean they didn't try.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Ok well leafs were carried hard by Matthews 60 goals

If we're talking goals, we could just as easily say that New York was "carried" by Kreider's 52 goals. The only difference is Matthews getting 60 is far more sustainable than what either Kreider or Shesterkin did.

…Rangers are way ahead of Leafs.

Rangers are behind the Leafs. They were worse in the regular season, they were worse in the playoffs, and how the Rangers did what they did is less sustainable moving forward as well.

This is what revisionist history looks like.

Nope, but there is quite a bit of it in this thread.

 

[NewEraGM]

If we're talking goals, we could just as easily say that New York was "carried" by Kreider's 52 goals. The only difference is Matthews getting 60 is far more sustainable than what either Kreider or Shesterkin did.

Rangers are behind the Leafs. They were worse in the regular season, they were worse in the playoffs, and how the Rangers did what they did is less sustainable moving forward as well.

Nope, but there is quite a bit of it in this thread.

How much of a homer do you need to be to say the rangers did worse in the playoffs than the leafs when it was the rangers who made it 2 rounds further?! Wow….

If anything, rangers have way more young up and coming players than Toronto and Toronto may lose Matthews in 2 years and JT is already not worth his contract. Massive questions in net and a defense that isn’t anything to write home about. With a healthy Muzzin, I think they have a good group but without or with an injured Muzzin it looks really bad after the top pair….

Lafreniere, Kakko , Chytil, Schneider, Millet, Lunqvist, Shesterkin

Rangers arguably have one of the best young group of players in the league

 

[Dekes For Days]

How much of a homer do you need to be to say the rangers did worse in the playoffs than the leafs when it was the rangers who made it 2 rounds further?!

New York barely scraping by Pittsburgh and Carolina playing their backup or 3rd string goalies and then doing much worse against the only common team faced by both is not "doing better in the playoffs". This is the problem with just blindly looking at what round a team got to and ignoring everything else.

If anything, rangers have way more young up and coming players than Toronto and Toronto may lose Matthews in 2 years and JT is already not worth his contract. Massive questions in net and a defense that isn’t anything to write home about.

New York does not have "way more young up and coming players" than Toronto. This sounds like overrating players like Laf and Kakko, who New York also won't have the benefit of having on ELCs much longer. Toronto is extremely unlikely to lose Matthews. We could just as easily say that New York is going to lose Shesterkin in a few years. Tavares is still an excellent player, and Toronto is better defensively than New York. The only place that New York has the edge is in goal, but even one of the best goaltending performances in the cap era didn't bridge the gap that exists between them elsewhere.

 

[NewEraGM]

New York barely scraping by Pittsburgh and Carolina playing their backup or 3rd string goalies and then doing much worse against the only common team faced by both is not "doing better in the playoffs". This is the problem with just blindly looking at what round a team got to and ignoring everything else.

New York does not have "way more young up and coming players" than Toronto. This sounds like overrating players like Laf and Kakko, who New York also won't have the benefit of having on ELCs much longer. Toronto is extremely unlikely to lose Matthews. We could just as easily say that New York is going to lose Shesterkin in a few years. Tavares is still an excellent player, and Toronto is better defensively than New York. The only place that New York has the edge is in goal, but even one of the best goaltending performances in the cap era didn't bridge the gap that exists between them elsewhere.

Wow….this is outrageous.
So “barely scrapping by” and additional 2 rounds is worse than losing and not winning at all…
And someone losing in 6 is “much worse” than losing in 7.

At least you got some respect in the handshake line though haha!

 

[Dekes For Days]

So “barely scrapping by” and additional 2 rounds is worse than losing and not winning at all…

Everybody wants to win rounds, but New York barely scraping by two teams playing their backups/3rd stringers (a situation we never had) doesn't suddenly make them better than us. We did however have a common opponent this year, and we saw Toronto perform better against that common opponent than New York.

 

[thusk]

How much of a homer do you need to be to say the rangers did worse in the playoffs than the leafs when it was the rangers who made it 2 rounds further?! Wow….

If anything, rangers have way more young up and coming players than Toronto and Toronto may lose Matthews in 2 years and JT is already not worth his contract. Massive questions in net and a defense that isn’t anything to write home about. With a healthy Muzzin, I think they have a good group but without or with an injured Muzzin it looks really bad after the top pair….

Lafreniere, Kakko , Chytil, Schneider, Millet, Lunqvist, Shesterkin

Rangers arguably have one of the best young group of players in the league

Rangers get completly dominated first round against pittsburgh but pittsburgh goalie was unable tonstop a beach ball

Vs tampa after game 2, the only way ranger was able to score was on pp...

 

[NewEraGM]

Rangers get completly dominated first round against pittsburgh but pittsburgh goalie was unable tonstop a beach ball

Vs tampa after game 2, the only way ranger was able to score was on pp...

Leafs still lost and vasilevski was a sieve. Had he even been average leafs get blown out in 5

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Rangers: 2.49GA/G (2nd in the NHL)
Leafs: 3.07GA/G (19th in the NHL)

Results he says

*braces for a torrent of meaningless blogger stats*

Their goalie had a ridiculous season (high danger SV% through the roof) while our goaltending was horrid on low danger chances for 4 months. you could not have chosen a worse number to post to explain defensive results.

 

[thusk]

Leafs still lost and vasilevski was a sieve. Had he even been average leafs get blown out in 5

And maybe the reason why vasi was a sieve was the way leafs played in the other side ?

 

[Nineteen67]

Lightning fan here in Peace. Toronto is too good to not eventually win. Goaltending needs to be upgraded and coaching isnt that great, but everything else is in place to be a winner......

There are few players on the Leafs roster that won’t do what it takes to make it to the SCF. You saw them in round 1. If you can’t do whatever is physically possible down 1 goal with under 4 mins of game 7, there’s no way they could have played in that SCF.

Some of the AVs could barely lift the Cup over their heads, and had Tampa won, there were guys that would have needed help raising it, on the other hand many Leafs went unscathed and even had a guy bolt for World Championships.

 

[hamzarocks]

If we're talking goals, we could just as easily say that New York was "carried" by Kreider's 52 goals. The only difference is Matthews getting 60 is far more sustainable than what either Kreider or Shesterkin did.

Rangers are behind the Leafs. They were worse in the regular season, they were worse in the playoffs, and how the Rangers did what they did is less sustainable moving forward as well.

Nope, but there is quite a bit of it in this thread.

Matthews 60 goals is as sustainable as shesterkins goaltending

Both are the best at their respective area.

Shesterkin is a generational goalie too so don't be surprised to see insane numbers year out from him

 

[thusk]

Ummm no. Shots were going right through him.

You have the biggest homer glasses ever. Leafs are a good team. I’m not saying that they are bad but please let’s have some honesty here. To say the things you are saying is simply outrageous

Either stop the trolling or stop posting

Or colorado beat tampa because vasi was a sieve, because overall hes only allowed 1 supplemental goal and was playing 7 game unstead of 6...

And like against leafs some shot going right trought him... so should be the reason why colorado beat Tampa?

 

[andora]

Or colorado beat tampa because vasi was a sieve, because overall hes only allowed 1 supplemental goal and was playing 7 game unstead of 6...

And like against leafs some shot going right trought him... so should be the reason why colorado beat Tampa?

First two games he was off and they took advantage

Then he played better and the avs adjusted. Continued to push their type of play but adjusted how pucks got to the net

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

There are few players on the Leafs roster that won’t do what it takes to make it to the SCF. You saw them in round 1. If you can’t do whatever is physically possible down 1 goal with under 4 mins of game 7, there’s no way they could have played in that SCF.

Some of the AVs could barely lift the Cup over their heads, and had Tampa won, there were guys that would have needed help raising it, on the other hand many Leafs went unscathed and even one had a guy bolt for World Championships.

So true. After watching the other teams that went far this year it really depressed me. We keep thinking if we just gave a bit more we would have won a first rd but the reality is it takes so much more than we have ever given in a series for whatever reason. We have AM blocking more shots than anyone...which is sad to see.

 

[thusk]

First two games he was off and they took advantage

Then he played better and the avs adjusted. Continued to push their type of play but adjusted how pucks got to the net

And whats the difference than against leafs ?

Last 4 game of both series
9 goal against colorado 11 against toronto 2 goal of difderential

Toronto get 4 more pp and scored 1 supplemental pp goal than avs...

So where really the difference? Because he allowed 1 supplemental goal a even strenght so he was worst?

 

[Mess]

Last year in 2021 for $7 mil Dubas brought us Petr Mrázek @ $3.8 mil + Nick Ritchie @ $2.5 mil +Ondrej Kase @$1.25 mil = $7.55 mil

The year prior in 2020, Dubas brought us Jack Campbell @ $1.65 mil + Wayne Simmonds @ $1.5 mil + Zach Bogosian @ $1 mil +Alex Galchenyuk @$ 1.05 Jimmy Vesey @ $900k + Joe Thornton @ $700k + Travis Boyd @ $750k = $7.55 mil

The year prior in 2019, Dubas brought us Cody Ceci @ $4.5 mil + Kyle Clifford @ $ 800k + Michael Hutchinson @ $800k + Jason Spezza @ $ 700k + Nick Shore @ $750K = $7.55 mil

This is always such an exciting time as we watch our GM reshape the Leafs goaltending, and bottom end of their roster with the spare change in cap space remaining to bring in improvements, believing these are the kinds of moves that are separating Leafs core 4 from the Stanley Cup.

This year we might even get 2 new goalies to replace both Campbell and Mrázek. While 39 year local GTA born Girodano has already committed for 2 more years @ $800k there must still be other aging Ontario born players that want to come home and replace the Spezza and Thornton's of the past in their twilight years. Once we re-sign our own RFAs Engvall, Kase and Sandin along with recently re-signed Liljegren there will only be table scraps left.

 

[andora]

And whats the difference than against leafs ?

Last 4 game of both series
9 goal against colorado 11 against toronto 2 goal of difderential

Toronto get 4 more pp and scored 1 supplemental pp goal than avs...

So where really the difference? Because he allowed 1 supplemental goal a even strenght so he was worst?

My personal opinion

- Letting tampa hang around not capitalizing on their noted below standard play
- lack of depth scoring to have any chance at nailing it down
- bland play from 3/4 of the forwards at key times each game
- sometimes playing to get a call/powerplay instead of playing to score
- bad penalties at bad times .. this people can bitch about all they want but dont put yourself in bad situations and they dont happen. Stick infractions happen when you dont engage physically

 

[Leafblooded]

Last year in 2021 for $7 mil Dubas brought us Petr Mrázek @ $3.8 mil + Nick Ritchie @ $2.5 mil +Ondrej Kase @$1.25 mil = $7.55 mil

The year prior in 2020, Dubas brought us Jack Campbell @ $1.65 mil + Wayne Simmonds @ $1.5 mil + Zach Bogosian @ $1 mil +Alex Galchenyuk @$ 1.05 Jimmy Vesey @ $900k + Joe Thornton @ $700k + Travis Boyd @ $750k = $7.55 mil

The year prior in 2019, Dubas brought us Cody Ceci @ $4.5 mil + Kyle Clifford @ $ 800k + Michael Hutchinson @ $800k + Jason Spezza @ $ 700k + Nick Shore @ $750K = $7.55 mil

This is always such an exciting time as we watch our GM reshape the Leafs goaltending, and bottom end of their roster with the spare change in cap space remaining to bring in improvements, believing these are the kinds of moves that are separating Leafs core 4 from the Stanley Cup.

This year we might even get 2 new goalies to replace both Campbell and Mrázek. While 39 year local GTA born Girodano has already committed for 2 more years @ $800k there must still be other aging Ontario born players that want to come home and replace the Spezza and Thornton's of the past in their twilight years. Once we re-sign our own RFAs Engvall, Kase and Sandin along with recently re-signed Liljegren there will only be table scraps left.

This thread puts us back on topic. We aren't getting shit

 

[paulhiggins]

If he has $7,000,000 to spend, he should spend $1000 on an airplane ticket out of town and leave the other $6,999,000 for his replacement to spend.

 

[egd27]

Generally bad teams don’t spend to the cap, thus they can overpay a guy like jack

Wouldn't you think teams that don't spend to the cap do so for a reason and therefore are less likely to overpay anyone, not just "a guy like Jack"?

 

[rocketman588]

If he has $7,000,000 to spend, he should spend $1000 on an airplane ticket out of town and leave the other $6,999,000 for his replacement to spend.

Knowing the NHL they would definitely charge the ticket to our cap as well

 

[Maple Leaf]

need some cap space

 

[Stephen]

The argument was that we just laid down and gave up whenever we went down, which is wildly incorrect.

We fought back to get 3 goals in Game 2 in a lost game.
We fought back to get 3 goals in game 4 in a lost game.
We were down 2-0 early in game 5 and fought back to win it.
We were down 2-0 in game 6 and fought back to take a 3-2 lead before the reffing shenanigans.
We got scored on first in game 7 and fought back to tie it up - twice.

Even last year in game 5 and 6 we were down a few early and we fought back to tie it. And the year before that, we had one of the craziest comebacks in NHL history.

We didn't "completely no show". Just because you lose a game, it doesn't mean you didn't go in there and try and win.

This is a different argument anyway, but we were perfectly fine putting Tampa away until the refs started taking over.

There was no "mission accomplished" banner. People sure do like to exaggerate common, nothing statements around here. Acknowledging that your team had a split in the opponent's territory and you have a best-of-3 with home ice advantage isn't unusual for a coach, and it doesn't mean they didn't try.

This is a misleading and pointless reframing of events, throwing a bit of shade at the officiating for good measure.

Game 2. Lightning built a 5-1 lead before the Leafs got 2x goals late. Big whoop.

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Game 4. Leafs were never within more than 3 goals of the Lightning. Great job battling.

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[thusk]

My personal opinion

- Letting tampa hang around not capitalizing on their noted below standard play
- lack of depth scoring to have any chance at nailing it down
- bland play from 3/4 of the forwards at key times each game
- sometimes playing to get a call/powerplay instead of playing to score
- bad penalties at bad times .. this people can bitch about all they want but dont put yourself in bad situations and they dont happen. Stick infractions happen when you dont engage physically

Goal from bottom 6 of colorado: 3
Number of goal botoom 6 of toronto :3

Just like that the biggest difference was game 6 leafs series and game 4 avs series... OT both of toronro and avs outplayed tampa but kuemper made his job and campbell wasn't able to control a long shot from blue line and gave up a real bad rebound...

So unstead of just keep pressure on tampa team, he put pressure on leafs side + allowed a weak goal as 1st goal in gane 7 to raise that pressure... toronto took momemtum and he giving up an other weak goal to raise an other time pressure on leafs shoulder... it all about goaltending...