Speculation: What does Kyle Dubas do with less than 7 million dollars?

[andora]

We rocked them 5-0 in the 1st game...

Uh.. what?
We fought back to get 3 goals in Game 2 in a lost game.
We fought back to get 3 goals in game 4 in a lost game.
We were down 2-0 early in game 5 and fought back to win it.
We were down 2-0 in game 6 and fought back to take a 3-2 lead before the reffing shenanigans.
We got scored on first in game 7 and fought back to tie it up - twice.

Even last year in game 5 and 6 we were down a few early and we fought back to tie it. And the year before that, we had one of the craziest comebacks in NHL history.

Game 2 - poor starts, limited in between. and after that bunting goal i seem to remember it just dying off for about a period
Game 4 - first 2 periods
Game 5 - yes they looked good
Game 6 - 4 shots in third period, i remember them playing afraid for part of it
Game 7 - i recall first and second periods of average play

 

[Nineteen67]

I wish Dubas didn't dial up the rhetoric like that, should be more about constant evaluation and building the best program possible with resources at hand, and keep the messaging generic. The Leafs success isn't about your career or any individual player or group of players. He doesn't get it.

He’s was still learning when he said that.

 

[Nineteen67]

Unsigned RFAs​

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[TR]
[TH]RFA[/TH]
[TH]Qualifying Offer[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pierre Engvall[/TD]
[TD]1,250,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ondřej Kaše[/TD]
[TD]1,250,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Rasmus Sandin[/TD]
[TD]874,125[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

The Maple Leafs have until July 11 to issue Qualifying Offers to their RFAs or re-sign them. We will know soon if the Leafs plan on retaining the rights of their RFAs or walk away.

Sign Sandin or trade him, but Id delete the other two phone numbers.
They can’t pay Kase 1.25 and Engvall thought the puck was hand grenade during the playoffs, and is the softest player in the NHL.

 

[LeafEgo]

Playoff games and regular season games have a different level of intensity, but it's the same game. And if you want to evaluate playoff performance, you need to actually evaluate it, not just look up what round a team got to.

Intensity is one of many reasons why regular season games are different than playoff games, and why a team can be better at one than the other compared to their peers. But we've beaten this up pretty good.

With regards to evaluating playoff performance that makes sense to me too.

 

[Menzinger]

Sign Sandin or trade him, but Id delete the other two phone numbers.
They can’t pay Kase 1.25 and Engvall thought the puck was hand grenade during the playoffs, and is the softest player in the NHL.

Kase ar 1.25 or even a bit more isn't too much of an obstacle to anything it can be completely buried via waivers

 

[Nineteen67]

Kase ar 1.25 or even a bit more isn't too much of an obstacle to anything it can be completely buried via waivers

Good point.

 

[Nineteen67]

Playoff games and regular season games have a different level of intensity, but it's the same game. And if you want to evaluate playoff performance, you need to actually evaluate it, not just look up what round a team got to.

All but a few Leafs played with intensity last playoffs. It’s a shame too, because they may never get that opportunity again.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

We rocked them 5-0 in the 1st game...

Uh.. what?
We fought back to get 3 goals in Game 2 in a lost game.
We fought back to get 3 goals in game 4 in a lost game.
We were down 2-0 early in game 5 and fought back to win it.
We were down 2-0 in game 6 and fought back to take a 3-2 lead before the reffing shenanigans.
We got scored on first in game 7 and fought back to tie it up - twice.

Even last year in game 5 and 6 we were down a few early and we fought back to tie it. And the year before that, we had one of the craziest comebacks in NHL history.

This is a problem for us in a way. They used the "Oh shit" moment against CBJ (2x against MTL) and it worked....the fact that it worked did not do us any favors. We seem to think we can just turn it on even if we get outscored early and it leads to complacency in the Team psyche. I would much rather they come out with urgency and focus because they are worried they can't just flip a switch (which they can do on occasion).

 

[leafsfan5]

Come on now guys, as kids didn't we all play hockey in the driveway and imagine scoring the goal that clinched the presidents trophy

….. is this satire?

I mean, I don't blame Dubas for signing Tavares (I was in favour of it like 99% of this board was at the time), but if we could have a do-over knowing what we know now would you actually sign him again? I know I sure as hell wouldn't

 

[Stamkos4life]

Yet you think the Panthers were worse then us because Tampa beat them easier despite them having a better regular season.

So what matters the regular season or the playoffs?


The only answer you seem to have is whatever you think makes Dubas look better.

Playoffs only matter in regards to Florida, goaltending is luck, our defense is elite yet the difference of save percentage when willy and JT are on the ice is down to the defense not you.

Basically you contridict yourself every other post because you can't really describe why Dubas shouldn't be fired without doing so.

I look forward to you trying to fight with Sudbury wolves fans after this year as it is the only job dubas is getting after he blows this absolute gift he was given

This post is legendary.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Lightning fan here in Peace. Toronto is too good to not eventually win. Goaltending needs to be upgraded and coaching isnt that great, but everything else is in place to be a winner......

 

[Shooter2x]

Makes sense but we may not have that luxury.

As Avs produce the latest template, all of their top four forwards play with intensity, grit, and physicality, and we see the value of having those players at the top of the lineup. With Kerfoot, our top five paid forwards lack those attributes.

We can't keep borrowing money from D and G, so how do we bridge the gap?

I have an iffy feeling with losing kerfoot. I like having players who are actually fitness freak athletes. Kerfoot isn't strong but he's very athletic and fast.

I fear at his age 27 heart of prime season, he might be a candidate to provide 5 mil of value next season for a 3.5 hit.

In contrast to someone like Holl whose just old and wobbly now.

As for gap, Brodie is dead to me after costing us our season with one of the softest defensive plays ever seen. I'd free up his 5 mil along with Holl and mrazek and then see what happens from there.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

It simply takes years to evaluate amateur drafts and # of picks and draft positions need to be taken into account.

The amateur scouting was garbage under Hunter and for graduating players we're still paying for his incompetence. If you want to blame the amateur scouting, blame the Lou regime.

So far under Dubas and I can't stress enough where the picks were taken:
2018 - Sandin at 29 and Durzi at 52. Two NHL Dmen with realistic second pairing upside. How do they get anything but an A+? What team did better?

Robertson (21), Niemela (20), Knies (19) are all legit prospects who were taken between the 53rd and 64th picks. Who are these teams or players graduating to the NHL from the 2019 - 2021 drafts with picks taken outside the first round and already making impacts? Name one player taken after the 50th pick from any of the last 3 draft who has made an NHL impact so far. Stumped?

You need to re-read what you bolded in my post.....I literally gave the current picks an A+ dude, but provided some caution based on their PRO evaluation (will they actually be good nhlers when its time to become pros? Or just fun prospects to own for a while with no jump).

 

[Dekes For Days]

You have literally claimed all the above. Including the "Florida lost in less games thing so that's why we're so good"

Please don't lie about and misrepresent me and the things I've said. That quote is misquoted, I have not said any of those things you claimed, and nothing I said has been contradictory.

I never said "Florida lost in less games thing so that's why we're so good". In fact, I've literally noted TWICE now (post #244, 258) that Florida was a better team than us this season, which you've chosen to ignore. What you seem to be twisting is the discussion about Toronto performing better than Florida in the playoffs specifically.

I have also not said anything close to "playoffs only matter in regards to Florida". I've discussed the basic fact that the regular season is a better representation of team quality than the playoffs, and I applied that consistently to all teams, including Florida (which is why I noted they were a better team despite being worse in the playoffs). Playoffs always "matter"; they just have significant limitations in accurately representing team quality, and I noted how if we're including playoffs, you need to actually evaluate it properly and not just ignore everything except what round a team got to.

I never said "goaltending is luck". I've noted how goaltending results are inherently extremely variable, but I'm not sure how you got from that to "everything is luck".

I also never said "our defense is elite yet the difference of save percentage when Willy and JT are on the ice is down to the defense not you". It's hard to even tell what you're saying there. Our defense was top tier this year, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I never attributed the SV% difference when Nylander and Tavares were on the ice together to the defense. In fact, my whole argument in that discussion was the exact opposite - that people were attributing to Tavares/Nylander/defense what was clearly attributable to goaltending.

I'm also not sure why you keep talking about Dubas. I don't care about Dubas, though you certainly seem to. I care about the Toronto Maple Leafs, and what's best for them.

Next time ask for clarification if you don't understand something, instead of spreading lies about people and putting words in their mouths.

 

[justashadowof]

You have literally claimed all the above. Including the "Florida lost in less games thing so that's why we're so good"

Not my fault you say so much bullshit that you consistently contridict yourself and can't keep track

Understand that it's not contradiction, it's deking.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Understand that it's not contradiction, it's deking.

Actually, it's just that person making up strawmen that were never said or argued.

 

[rocketman588]

Please don't lie about and misrepresent me and the things I've said. That quote is misquoted, I have not said any of those things you claimed, and nothing I said has been contradictory.

I never said "Florida lost in less games thing so that's why we're so good". In fact, I've literally noted TWICE now (post #244, 258) that Florida was a better team than us this season, which you've chosen to ignore. What you seem to be twisting is the discussion about Toronto performing better than Florida in the playoffs specifically.

I have also not said anything close to "playoffs only matter in regards to Florida". I've discussed the basic fact that the regular season is a better representation of team quality than the playoffs, and I applied that consistently to all teams, including Florida (which is why I noted they were a better team despite being worse in the playoffs). Playoffs always "matter"; they just have significant limitations in accurately representing team quality, and I noted how if we're including playoffs, you need to actually evaluate it properly and not just ignore everything except what round a team got to.

I never said "goaltending is luck". I've noted how goaltending results are inherently extremely variable, but I'm not sure how you got from that to "everything is luck".

I also never said "our defense is elite yet the difference of save percentage when Willy and JT are on the ice is down to the defense not you". It's hard to even tell what you're saying there. Our defense was top tier this year, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I never attributed the SV% difference when Nylander and Tavares were on the ice together to the defense. In fact, my whole argument in that discussion was the exact opposite - that people were attributing to Tavares/Nylander/defense what was clearly attributable to goaltending.

I'm also not sure why you keep talking about Dubas. I don't care about Dubas, though you certainly seem to. I care about the Toronto Maple Leafs, and what's best for them.

Next time ask for clarification if you don't understand something, instead of spreading lies about people and putting words in their mouths.

When you get caught the best thing is to stop digging your hole bro.

Maybe you should actually be consistent in what you say instead of just spewing bullshit over and over then contradicting yourself in 3/4 of the posts you make depending on what you think will make dubas look better

 

[ACC1224]

Understand that it's not contradiction, it's deking.

it seems everyone has caught on.

 

[Dekes For Days]

When you get caught the best thing is to stop digging your hole bro. Maybe you should actually be consistent in what you say instead of just spewing bullshit over and over then contradicting yourself in 3/4 of the posts you make depending on what you think will make dubas look better

The only one caught here was you - making up strawmen because you had no actual argument against anything that was actually said, as I outlined above. The fact that you again chose personal attacks in order to avoid addressing what was in my post really highlights this, and that you don't care what was actually said or having an actual discussion on it. Nothing I said was contradictory, and nothing I said even had anything to do with Dubas. Please do not spread lies and misrepresent the things that people say.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Game 2 - poor starts, limited in between. and after that bunting goal i seem to remember it just dying off for about a period
Game 4 - first 2 periods
Game 5 - yes they looked good
Game 6 - 4 shots in third period, i remember them playing afraid for part of it
Game 7 - i recall first and second periods of average play

You suggested that we don't push from the start of the series, but we won the first game dominantly.
You suggested that we don't push back when we're down, but we did exactly that in every single one of those games.
No team is going to look dominant in 100% of the time. Tampa didn't. Colorado didn't.

All but a few Leafs played with intensity last playoffs.

All of the Leafs played with intensity last playoffs. That had nothing to do with why we lost.

It’s a shame too, because they may never get that opportunity again.

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. You don't think we're going to make the playoffs again...?

This is a problem for us in a way. They used the "Oh shit" moment against CBJ (2x against MTL) and it worked....the fact that it worked did not do us any favors. We seem to think we can just turn it on even if we get outscored early and it leads to complacency in the Team psyche. I would much rather they come out with urgency and focus because they are worried they can't just flip a switch (which they can do on occasion).

I think it's a big stretch to see an ability to fight back when down and not just roll over and die, and equate that to complacency in the rest of the time.

Intensity is one of many reasons why regular season games are different than playoff games, and why a team can be better at one than the other compared to their peers.

The difference in the intensity is really the main notable difference, and that ramping up of intensity is pretty consistent across teams, so I'm not sure why one would think it would notably impact things.

With regards to evaluating playoff performance that makes sense to me too.

I'm glad we can agree on that.

 

[Trapper]

Lightning fan here in Peace. Toronto is too good to not eventually win. Goaltending needs to be upgraded and coaching isnt that great, but everything else is in place to be a winner......

It’s more than just that or the problem would have been fixed. We would have won at least 1 series by now.
In addition to what you mention, the team lacks the build to clamp a game down. Everyone seems to be able to beat us 2-1, 1-0 in those games 6-7. We can’t.

We get weaker the longer a series goes.

We are salary top heavy.
We lack the top end support of a Palat, Killorn, Cirelli, Sergechev, etc. at that 4 mil range.
4 million guys that play like 7.
Instead we are built with 11 million guys that play like 8.

Balance. Money needs to be spread through forward, D and G. We try to cheap out because of 4 forwards.

Again if it was just a goalie or 1 thing, it wouldn’t be a consistent failure.
McDavid and Draisaitl are good enough to win 1 series out of how many even if the team has many issues.
We have some serious ones.

 

[aingefan]

Plug and play is an insane assumption considering holmberg has played 6 games on north American ice and the rest have looked below average any time we give them the opportunity

Insane’s a little harsh.
Three of those four guys have strong offensive pedigree’s, two play multiple positions, three are defensively responsible, and none of them are driving a line.
That’s the beauty of having four guys who are legitimate top line talents. The other guys follow their lead. And there’s only one top six job atm, so they can just mix n match to see what fits, and mix n match on the bottom six.
Look at what AM and MM did for Bunting. Prior to TO, JT made a career of elevating other dudes.
Kampf will lead the checking line, and if Kerf’s still around, he leads another.
I don’t think it’s a stretch, at all.

 

[egd27]

Lightning fan here in Peace. Toronto is too good to not eventually win. Goaltending needs to be upgraded and coaching isnt that great, but everything else is in place to be a winner......

So we just need to upgrade the most important position in the game, and how the rest of the team plays it. Ok then.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Lightning fan here in Peace. Toronto is too good to not eventually win. Goaltending needs to be upgraded and coaching isnt that great, but everything else is in place to be a winner......

We have a couple of problems.
1) We have no money to upgrade goaltending
2) Our coach is going nowhere, ever, at any time. He's a legend in the making.

 

[andora]

You suggested that we don't push from the start of the series, but we won the first game dominantly.
You suggested that we don't push back when we're down, but we did exactly that in every single one of those games.
No team is going to look dominant in 100% of the time. Tampa didn't. Colorado didn't.

Sometimes i need to realize how black and white you can be to each blade of grass and i need to realize i need to sometimes say a bit more ..

Toronto did push back sometimes but it was intermittent it seemed sporadic and it is really odd with this team it doesnt seem sustainable.

The fact they had sporadic pushes with also some horrible times to go flat still shows the vulnerability. I dont quite know what this is but its a problem. This team for a few years lacks identity and does sometimes come off as people riding the train to work everyday.

They had an identity verus washington and that series was god damn exciting - that series and team was different. Every year since then the intensity and the pulse seems go have gone down ever so slightly each year.

I mean.. playoff losses are in the past and at this stage preparation and studying and theorizing as to what tactics get this team to next level should be happening - but they still did not show a consistent sustained level of play to win this year. They had moments of desperation and they had sporadic bits of fantastic play but again it just subsides

I have watched this team since i was 5 thanks dad and i have watched this team critically diring this run of losses - and you see the patterns and almost expect it. High level of play for a bit then levels off and emotion subsides.. up down up down

Same problem - they have noone controlling that locker room