Speculation: What does Kyle Dubas do with less than 7 million dollars?

[Dekes For Days]

We were a worse team then the Habs because we lost.

You're essentially suggesting that 1 goal determines everything and completely overrides everything else, which is clearly ridiculous - especially considering the significant players we were missing in the small sample you're pointing to. Leafs were the better team in the 2020-2021 season. That's why everybody got so upset about us losing. Technically throughout the entirety of the 2020-2021 season, Leafs went 9-4 in regulation and 1-3 in OT against Montreal.

And for your question about Habs as 2nd I think they were 2nd/3rd with the NYI.

You honestly think Montreal was the 2nd/3rd best team in the league for the 2020-2021 season? That's mind-boggling, and I can't believe your perception is widely shared.

 

[rocketman588]

Capfriendly on Kerfoot

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Yeppp

Just like Holl, Muzzin, mrazek, Brodie

Next year add Willy, Mitch and AM

We love us some no moves and trades

Find me a player a GM that is willing to trade a underperforming superstar for pennies on the dollar.

If Jack Eichel wasn't just traded to LV getting him would be like the perfect example. You could probably get him for Nylander and some picks. Thats more than what they got from LV.

But those situations and the ability to take advantage are just so rare.

We had the opportunity to do that last year and didn't though so...

 

[rocketman588]

You're essentially suggesting that 1 goal determines everything and completely overrides everything else, which is clearly ridiculous - especially considering the significant players we were missing in the small sample you're pointing to. Leafs were the better team in the 2020-2021 season. That's why everybody got so upset about us losing. Technically throughout the entirety of the 2020-2021 season, Leafs went 9-4 in regulation and 1-3 in OT against Montreal.

You honestly think Montreal was the 2nd/3rd best team in the league for the 2020-2021 season? That's mind-boggling, and I can't believe your perception is widely shared.

Yet you think the Panthers were worse then us because Tampa beat them easier despite them having a better regular season.

So what matters the regular season or the playoffs?


The only answer you seem to have is whatever you think makes Dubas look better.

Playoffs only matter in regards to Florida, goaltending is luck, our defense is elite yet the difference of save percentage when willy and JT are on the ice is down to the defense not you.

Basically you contridict yourself every other post because you can't really describe why Dubas shouldn't be fired without doing so.

I look forward to you trying to fight with Sudbury wolves fans after this year as it is the only job dubas is getting after he blows this absolute gift he was given

 

[tmlms13]

We had the opportunity to do that last year and didn't though so...

or Buffalo said no chance trading in the division unless his last name starts with an M

 

[ToneDog]

Yet you think the Panthers were worse then us because Tampa beat them easier despite them having a better regular season.

So what matters the regular season or the playoffs?


The only answer you seem to have is whatever you think makes Dubas look better.

Playoffs only matter in regards to Florida, goaltending is luck, our defense is elite yet the difference of save percentage when willy and JT are on the ice is down to the defense not you.

Basically you contridict yourself every other post because you can't really describe why Dubas shouldn't be fired without doing so.

I look forward to you trying to fight with Sudbury wolves fans after this year as it is the only job dubas is getting after he blows this absolute gift he was given

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[Trapper]

You're essentially suggesting that 1 goal determines everything and completely overrides everything else, which is clearly ridiculous - especially considering the significant players we were missing in the small sample you're pointing to. Leafs were the better team in the 2020-2021 season. That's why everybody got so upset about us losing. Technically throughout the entirety of the 2020-2021 season, Leafs went 9-4 in regulation and 1-3 in OT against Montreal.

You honestly think Montreal was the 2nd/3rd best team in the league for the 2020-2021 season? That's mind-boggling, and I can't believe your perception is widely shared.

How a season starts is not nearly as important as how it ends.

Call it whatever you like. They suck, they were lucky, we were robbed, Mars was out of orbit, we lost.
We also lost the year before that, and before that and oh, before that. We lost again this year and now we try to avoid a 7th in a row.

Who cares if Montreal is irrelevant now. We lost. We couldn’t beat them and then played someone else and lost. So who cares if we played Tampa better.
Next year we could face someone else again. What will you say if we lose a 7th?

 

[rocketman588]

or Buffalo said no chance trading in the division unless his last name starts with an M

Should have sent mikeyev then

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yet you think the Panthers were worse then us because Tampa beat them easier despite them having a better regular season.

Except much like the rest of your post misrepresenting me and the things I've said (literally never said any of the things you claimed), that's not what I said at all. In fact, I said the exact opposite in post #244. Florida was a better team than us this season.

 

[capfit9]

I think his shopping list fairly aparent:

list of priorities
1. goaltending (trade or UFA)
2. RFAs (Kase, Engvall, Sandin)
3. forwards (UFA or trade)
4. defense (possibly move out Holl/Sandin/Muzzin)

If he can move 1 or 2 bodies out (Holl, Kerfoot, *Nylander, *Tavares, Muzzin, etc.) he might have more flexibility to balance the team.

*unlikely Nylander/Tavares moves. KD would be making his boldest moves to date if he moved either player.

What do you think will happen with the little cap space Dubas has?

Dubas in a bathroom right now.

 

[LeafEgo]

I noted how the regular season is a much better representation of team quality than the playoffs. This is undeniable. Results from an 82-game sample and 6+ month time period against shared teams will obviously be more representative than results from a 4-7 game sample and 2-week time period against a singular opponent.

Noting that the regular season is more representative of team quality then the playoffs because there are more games against more opponents is flawed because it assumes that regular season games are the same as playoff games.

But they're not the same. The level of play during the high stakes playoffs is elevated making success more difficult. And success in these games is more important to achieving victory because most teams make it out of the regular season but only one wins the cup.

It's true that sample you get in the playoffs is limited by games/opponents, especially when you are bounced in the first round, so you need to look at the results of both.

The team of the highest quality will secure a top 16 spot in the regular season, performing in regular season games, and then secure the number 1 spot in the playoffs, performing in playoffs games.

 

[Stephen]

Matthews did his part.

JT needs to be held accountable

We talk about him like he's Nylander. He doesn't make 7M but 11M. He's not still young and can develop as a player but rather a 13 year NHL vet

JT should face the same expectations as 34 and 16

He's been no where near as good as those 2 since coming to Toronto.

If he can't play with Nylander then he better go ppg with kampf and kerfoot.

The dude can't keep getting excuses made for his poor play. Everyday is John Tavares day for this guy in the playoffs. He plays usually poor and people still don't call him out for it ( fans, media, management)

Yeah, considering the amount paid to Tavares, the return on investment should have been somewhere around the season that Steven Stamkos just had when compared with Matthews and Marner's production.

 

[andora]

I have always looked at the regular season as two things
- 82 opportunities to secure a birth in the playoffs
- 82 opportunities to perfect the way you want your club to play and be successful in the playoffs

Now i would be a little disappointed if management had the mindset of we were the X'th best team this year because of what the expected/assumed stuff tells us. I find that very lazy to put a tag on it - very lazy. I think we all can agree the end goal of any franchise is to win the stanley cup. they are all in different stages of attaining that, so for the top few performing teams it becomes irrelevant what numbers can prove what ranking a team is best in - that doesn't make any sense to think like that.

you collect yourself and try and identify areas that contributed to the team losing - mental, position, goaltending, defence, tenacity etc... the biggest thing we see with this club is that they don't seem to realize that playoffs are a 7 game series and BAM it's over. you need 100% will and sacrifice from the get go, there is no saving yourself, taking breathers or passing shifts, this is it. we can all look at toronto taking tampa to 7 and that they played well and all that bullshit - BUT the same problems showed themselves, especially in the games where they were losing by several - they did not push.

just look at the finals, colorado in the 6-2 game and even the game 5 - they pushed and continued to push and got the play back, even trailing by 3 and 4 goals - that is undisputable and who knows what the numbers look like from those games, because they don't explain the context in which they got back up and pushed.

back to toronto tampa - they did not do that - they played exactly the way it looked - down by 4, ok get through this come back next game.

 

[hamzarocks]

You're essentially suggesting that 1 goal determines everything and completely overrides everything else, which is clearly ridiculous - especially considering the significant players we were missing in the small sample you're pointing to. Leafs were the better team in the 2020-2021 season. That's why everybody got so upset about us losing. Technically throughout the entirety of the 2020-2021 season, Leafs went 9-4 in regulation and 1-3 in OT against Montreal.

You honestly think Montreal was the 2nd/3rd best team in the league for the 2020-2021 season? That's mind-boggling, and I can't believe your perception is widely shared.

What's the point of even making the playoffs then for a Tema like MTL ? Of they despite coming second in the playoffs aren't recognized as one of the best teams in the league that year?

What's the point of having the playoffs if the leafs who are 6 time 1st round knockouts are better than teams that win series?

Are we better than the Rangers, Blues, Jets, Preds, Stars, Oilers, Canes, Caps in that time frame?

We've been better than most of them in reg season points? Those teams have won series in the playoffs from 2017 to 2022 with a few cup winners and finalist appearances

Your acting like making the playoffs as the 8th seed but making an CF run or cup final run is worse than being a top 5 team in the reg season and falling in 7 in the first round

 

[andora]

Your acting like making the playoffs as the 8th seed but making an CF run or cup final run is worse than being a top 5 team in the reg season and falling in 7 in the first round

yeah - i couldn't give two shits what place this team finishes in to get in to the playoffs - get in

 

[Tarmore]

I’m a bit more confident in the youth. I see Robbie as being ready to go.
Steeves too, produced well at the AHL level, and not a kid.
Joey Anderson has put in his time.
Pontus Holmberg has excelled in the SEL.
I think all of them are plug n play ready to go. It’s a tough call giving kids a big role on a strong team though.

Some thought may want to be put into not signing any big free agents, play the kids and bank the cap savings for the later part of the season. Depending on who is out of the play-offs and the cost of acquiring there may be some deals.

Always pick-up sweet deal players like Bunting. Contracts that are easily send down with little or no cap hit from the minors then it's a free shot. If they don't work out they can help the farm.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Noting that the regular season is more representative of team quality then the playoffs because there are more games against more opponents is flawed because it assumes that regular season games are the same as playoff games.

It doesn't assume that. The regular season is a far, far more equal playing field than the playoffs, and the sample is massively bigger to filter out the noise. This makes it a better representation of team quality.

It's true that sample you get in the playoffs is limited by games/opponents, especially when you are bounced in the first round, so you need to look at the results of both.

I mean, I've never said we need to ignore the playoffs entirely, but if you're looking at the playoffs as well, you have to actually evaluate it properly, and not just draw all of your conclusions based on what round a team got to.

What's the point of even making the playoffs then for a Tema like MTL?

A chance at the cup.

Are we better than the Rangers, Blues, Jets, Preds, Stars, Oilers, Canes, Caps in that time frame?

Washington has a better record over that timeframe, but yeah, we were better than most of those teams over that 6-year timeframe.

Your acting like making the playoffs as the 8th seed but making an CF run or cup final run is worse than being a top 5 team in the reg season and falling in 7 in the first round

Not sure what you mean by "worse". As a fan, I'd love a cup run, but that's a different discussion than the quality of a team.

 

[ACC1224]

Noting that the regular season is more representative of team quality then the playoffs because there are more games against more opponents is flawed because it assumes that regular season games are the same as playoff games.

But they're not the same. The level of play during the high stakes playoffs is elevated making success more difficult. And success in these games is more important to achieving victory because most teams make it out of the regular season but only one wins the cup.

It's true that sample you get in the playoffs is limited by games/opponents, especially when you are bounced in the first round, so you need to look at the results of both.

The team of the highest quality will secure a top 16 spot in the regular season, performing in regular season games, and then secure the number 1 spot in the playoffs, performing in playoffs games.

It's not even close.

 

[Dekes For Days]

the biggest thing we see with this club is that they don't seem to realize that playoffs are a 7 game series and BAM it's over. you need 100% will and sacrifice from the get go

We rocked them 5-0 in the 1st game...

back to toronto tampa - they did not do that - they played exactly the way it looked - down by 4, ok get through this come back next game.

Uh.. what?
We fought back to get 3 goals in Game 2 in a lost game.
We fought back to get 3 goals in game 4 in a lost game.
We were down 2-0 early in game 5 and fought back to win it.
We were down 2-0 in game 6 and fought back to take a 3-2 lead before the reffing shenanigans.
We got scored on first in game 7 and fought back to tie it up - twice.

Even last year in game 5 and 6 we were down a few early and we fought back to tie it. And the year before that, we had one of the craziest comebacks in NHL history.

 

[LeafEgo]

It doesn't assume that. The regular season is a far, far more equal playing field than the playoffs, and the sample is massively bigger to filter out the noise. This makes it a better representation of team quality.

I'm not sure what you mean by equal playing field, but if you mean more games against more opponents, which is what you said before, this is irrelevant because regular season games and playoff games are different.

Regular season performance only represents team quality in the regular season. It does not accurately reflect overall team quality, which includes team quality in the playoffs, which carries more weight when trying to achieve the ultimate objective.

 

[ToneDog]

Ferraro was a good listen today on Overdrive. Had some good take/ideas wrt Leafs, goaltending and what you need to win a SC.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Regular season performance only represents team quality in the regular season. It does not accurately reflect overall team quality, which includes team quality in the playoffs

There is no regular season team quality and playoff team quality. There is just team quality. We can consider both the regular season and playoffs in evaluating a team's quality, but the regular season will inherently be more representative due to the sample size and more equivalent competition, and if looking at the playoffs, it needs to be considered fully and with the necessary context - not just looking at the most surface level of what round a team got to.

 

[rocketman588]

Except much like the rest of your post misrepresenting me and the things I've said (literally never said any of the things you claimed), that's not what I said at all. In fact, I said the exact opposite in post #244. Florida was a better team than us this season.

You have literally claimed all the above. Including the "Florida lost in less games thing so that's why we're so good"

Not my fault you say so much bullshit that you consistently contridict yourself and can't keep track

 

[LeafEgo]

There is no regular season team quality and playoff team quality. There is just team quality. We can consider both the regular season and playoffs in evaluating a team's quality, but the regular season will inherently be more representative due to the sample size and more equivalent competition, and if looking at the playoffs, it needs to be considered fully and with the necessary context - not just looking at the most surface level of what round a team got to.

This would suggest that you don't see a material difference between playing a regular season game and a playoff game, and that player and management performance in one simply translates to the other...

 

[hotpaws]

You have literally claimed all the above. Including the "Florida lost in less games thing so that's why we're so good"

Not my fault you say so much bullshit that you consistently contridict yourself and can't keep track

he's only on here to drive traffic , if we ignore him he'll lose his job and go away

 

[Dekes For Days]

This would suggest that you don't see a material difference between playing a regular season game and a playoff game, and that player and management performance in one simply translates to the other...

Playoff games and regular season games have a different level of intensity, but it's the same game. And if you want to evaluate playoff performance, you need to actually evaluate it, not just look up what round a team got to.