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Speculation: What do you do?

What do you do?

  • Stand pat. Continue to let things play out. Ride it out.

    Votes: 4 7.8%
  • Fringe moves. Trade/acquire a bottom 6 forward/bottom pair D. Call-ups.

    Votes: 3 5.9%
  • Significant moves. Trade a major piece like a Marchand, Carlo, Frederic, or player of your choosing.

    Votes: 30 58.8%
  • Blow it up. Make a franchise altering trade. Pastrnak, Swayman, or McAvoy go. Fire Cam/Don.

    Votes: 14 27.5%

  • Total voters
    51
As the Bruins’ ship continues to take on water, and the club’s points percentage in the standings continues to dwindle, what do you do?

If you don’t like any of my proposed options, consider choosing the one that best fits where you’re at and explain in the thread.

 
making a move now while this team loses to not just the other middling teams in the NHL but get waxed by the top teams simply doesn`t put them in a position of strength.

Right now, waive Wahlstrom, call up Poitras or Lysell, move Freddy the hell outta town too

Other than that, don`t do much, have a first round pick this summer, keep that, hope to add a few more picks, this team is doing nothing come playoff time if they even squeak in
 
Significant move. All in on Petterson.

How they finish the season after that trade is irrelevant. Build your core...

Franchise Goalie: Check (once he recovers mentally and emotionally)
Franchise DMan: Check
Franchise Wing: Check
Franchise Center: Petterson

Core players in their 20's: Check
What does it cost?

How do you make the money work?
 
Blow it up

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We could sell everything but Pasternak be 30 mil below the cap play mostly AHLers and still scrape an 8 seed sort of like Claudes first year and when we recovered from Dave Lewis. Even the Burns team did this. East sucks it's a good time.

I'd still like to keep McAvoy but IDK his commitment level is pretty low and he might be the worst of the country club brigade. Hes just gonna be another Thornton and win a Norris the minute he leaves.

Oh and Gorton in Sweeney out would be fabulous.
 
Right now i'm weirdly somewhere between the first three options.

The first thing we need to do is to acknowledge is there's probably no salvaging this season. There's no move, call-up, firing or what have you that's going to fix the reality; this team is f***ing mid at best. No offense outside of two guys, defense is the worst its looked probably since pre-Julien hiring and goaltending, which has also been elite since Julien (seriously, Thomas -> Rask -> Ullmark -> Sway before this year is pretty damn good) is among the worst in the league right now.

That being said, that doesn't mean you don't do anything. A message needs to be sent that this type of shit play isn't tolerated.

You first start with the small moves in call-ups; Lysell gets a permanent spot in the lineup unless he shows he really doesn't belong in the NHL yet, Poitras gets another go as well. You make legit room for them in the top 9 instead of taping them to the 4th line and go "HOW COME NO WORK?" like they tend to do sometimes. You make this room by punishing schlubs like banishing Coyle and Frederic to the press box for the fact they've been ass all season.

Maybe things get better, maybe they don't. If things get worse then it's time to consider more expansive changes. Ship guys out. Guys like Carlo, Coyle, Frederic, etc. Marchand has been a contentious topic for some here lately. As far as i'm concerned, Marchand's future will be determined by Marchand and Marchand alone. He's given everything to the organization and deserves that much. If he wants to stay and re-up to be a sherpa for the next gen of Bruins, then sign him. If he wants one last chance at the cup, you give it to him. (highly unlikely, i think he retires a bruin) I would prefer he stays personally.

I said it in the GDT but i'm very anti-tank. Trading everything that isn't nailed down, leaving behind just a skeleton while you try to accumulate talent doesn't always work. Buffalo blew their shit up with a ICBM a decade ago and have essentially rebuilt twice in that span, staring potentially a third retool in the face. Edmonton tried to do it, still sucked after 43 first round picks in a row and then lucked into landing McDavid where his raw talent alone was enough overcome organization wide incompetence. San Jose handled it best. Got rid of some guys but bad contracts meant they had to hold on to some of their vets, having some form of veteran leadership in place. They look really good and will likely rejoin the land of the living in the next couple years.

Coaching/front office wise, cleaned out at season's end. Sacco hasn't been bad, but he also hasn't really done anything to justify himself as a long term answer. Sweeney and Neely also obviously get fired into the nearest stellar object (so, the moon i guess?)

Something like an Elias Pettersson trade doesn't really factor in here because i can't believe the Canucks are willingly that dumb. If somehow you magically land a PPG (before this season), elite two way center then the game changes entirely and you probably resume trying to contend, but i'll wait until that happens first.
 
I’ve said it a few times in other places in the past few weeks, but move on from anyone that doesn’t figure into a 3-5 year plan. We might slightly disagree on who those players are, but it likely includes Coyle, Frederic, Carlo, Peeke, and Korpisalo. Lindholm and Zadorov aren’t going anywhere. Marchand is a tough one, he might bring something good in return, but I feel like he’s a lifer.

Most of those guys aren’t bringing big things in return, but if you can give their ice time to guys in the system, maybe they’ll grow into something positive too.

I like the idea of Petersson, if they can put a realistic package together for him and keep the core group of Pasta, Mac, and Swayman. Still have Geekie, Zacha and the Lindholm ‘brothers’ too. If NHL ice time helps Merkulov and Lysell, might be able to flip it quickly.
 
making a move now while this team loses to not just the other middling teams in the NHL but get waxed by the top teams simply doesn`t put them in a position of strength.

Right now, waive Wahlstrom, call up Poitras or Lysell, move Freddy the hell outta town too

Other than that, don`t do much, have a first round pick this summer, keep that, hope to add a few more picks, this team is doing nothing come playoff time if they even squeak in
This is sort of what I was thinking. Determine what you want to keep as core and jettison whatever is not in future plans. Then call up replacements from Ptown. They can't seem to score so maybe claim Spronge and see how he fits.
 
We could sell everything but Pasternak be 30 mil below the cap play mostly AHLers and still scrape an 8 seed sort of like Claudes first year and when we recovered from Dave Lewis. Even the Burns team did this. East sucks it's a good time.

I'd still like to keep McAvoy but IDK his commitment level is pretty low and he might be the worst of the country club brigade. Hes just gonna be another Thornton and win a Norris the minute he leaves.

Oh and Gorton in Sweeney out would be fabulous.
You know he's screwing with you, right?
 
I've posted this a couple times in the other thread so forgive the repetitiveness...

Carlo, Poitras and a 1st for Petterson

Frederic for Hoglander

Coyle to NJ for picks


I would then try to flip a pick or swap a Wotherspoon for a similar RD making short money.

I think Zacha + Lysell instead of Poitras might make more sense for both sides.
 
Pasta is turning 29 this year. If you are trying to win a Cup with Pasta as one of your top players, the time to strike is soon. If EP isn’t a realistic option (I don’t think it is, but would love to be surprised!) then you sell of pending UFAs not in the future plans and call up kids and try to make an impactful move in the summer.
 
If I'm Jacobs, here's what I'd do:

1. No major moves this deadline, with the ONE Exception of potentially adding a true 1C (longshot). If that opportunity presents itself you have to take it. Every player on this roster would be on the table as part of that deal. Hold onto the 1st Rounder, if possible.

2. Consider offers for EVERY pending UFA at the trade deadline. If the offer is remotely attractive, take the deal. That includes Marchand.

3. Over the summer, Look to move a defenseman or two for offensive help. McAvoy, Lindholm, Lhorei, Carlo, Zadorov are all on the table, depending on the return and NTC considerations.

4. Replace Sacco as Head Coach.

5. Do NOT re-sign any UFAs this summer, unless its a team-favorable deal.

Depending on what happens with 1-3 above, adjust and go from there...Including deciding on what to do about Sweeney. He screwed the pooch this summer. He's on thin ice and can't afford a repeat.
 
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I’ve said it a few times in other places in the past few weeks, but move on from anyone that doesn’t figure into a 3-5 year plan. We might slightly disagree on who those players are, but it likely includes Coyle, Frederic, Carlo, Peeke, and Korpisalo. Lindholm and Zadorov aren’t going anywhere. Marchand is a tough one, he might bring something good in return, but I feel like he’s a lifer.

Most of those guys aren’t bringing big things in return, but if you can give their ice time to guys in the system, maybe they’ll grow into something positive too.

I like the idea of Petersson, if they can put a realistic package together for him and keep the core group of Pasta, Mac, and Swayman. Still have Geekie, Zacha and the Lindholm ‘brothers’ too. If NHL ice time helps Merkulov and Lysell, might be able to flip it quickly.
yep, he is the one we need.
 
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As the Bruins’ ship continues to take on water, and the club’s points percentage in the standings continues to dwindle, what do you do?

If you don’t like any of my proposed options, consider choosing the one that best fits where you’re at and explain in the thread.

Love this article. It's time to go after the big acquisition. This team cannot compete as it is currently constructed in the East.
 
Pasta is turning 29 this year. If you are trying to win a Cup with Pasta as one of your top players, the time to strike is soon. If EP isn’t a realistic option (I don’t think it is, but would love to be surprised!) then you sell of pending UFAs not in the future plans and call up kids and try to make an impactful move in the summer.
Pasta will be good until 35/36 and could age like Ovi. He might even get better 30-32 if the team doesn't blow.

Carlo and McAvoy are high miles for their ages. Good year to trade Carlo.
 
I'm pretty similar to @RoccoF14. I’m in on getting a legit 1C if possible, agree it’s unlikely, agree on probably keeping our first round picks. He also said every player should be on the table. I’d say every player except Pasta. No point having a good 1C if he has no elite winger to skate with.

Marchand to me is also off the table, unless he wants to leave, which I doubt. It’s up to him. As to his longer-term future, I wouldn’t give him more than a one-year contract unless he’s willing to sign for peanuts. He’s 36, will be 37 before season’s end, clearly his body is starting to wear out. If agreement can’t be found and he walks, I cop that on the chin.

Otherwise yeah I’d say Sweeney should be taking offers for every other UFA - Frederic, Koepke, Brazeau, Wotherspoon. Geekie too. I would also have zero problem seeing the back of Coyle and Carlo. Peeke is fine for what he is, but if the right offer is there, he can go. Zacha frustrates me but he is overall a decent enough player on a reasonable deal. Tradeable but the return would have to be good, and not my first priority. I would much prefer to keep Hampus Lindholm. Not perfect by all means but a very solid all-round D-man (when fully fit) on good money. I doubt anyone is relieving us of that Zadorov contract but if someone is interested then talks should proceed. Elias Lindholm has underwhelmed but it would be ridiculous and look very bad to give up on that sort of deal so quickly. Need to persevere there. Stick with Sway.

As for the kids, I really like Poitras as a person but I have serious doubts he’ll ever make it stick at NHL level. If some other team has a good offer for him, I’m listening. I’d be more hesitant with Lohrei. Obvious flaws but the potential also remains high so I’d rather persevere with him for now. Lysell I’m not really too fussed about. We need to see him in Boston for an extended run to get some better idea on what he offers before making a call on his future here. Beecher is tradeable.

The core needs a change. As I said the other day, I’m at the point now where I’d seriously consider trading McAvoy. He’s the best candidate to shift. Not convinced on this but definitely leaning that way. But the return has to be right. Need someone who is not just going to be a good player but a real locker room leader. Potentially even a future captain. If they don’t want to do something that drastic, or even if they do, then the ‘outer’ core at least needs an overhaul.

Basic principle is to try and do a quick re-tool along the lines of the Caps model. Concede this season is a lost cause, use the deadline to sell UFAs and take offers on the likes of Carlo and Coyle. Not adverse to bringing anyone in at that point, but it has to be someone in their prime and looking for term. No oldies or rentals. Again, keep your firsts unless the player you’re acquiring is absolutely elite. Play the youngsters throughout the rest of this year. See what they’ve got. Evaluate the core and work out a plan to change it for the better, seek to make that happen through the trade period and into the offseason. The team needs offense, finish, speed and a harder, more ruthless attitude. The defense needs to be built smarter. There is plenty of individual talent in there at present but the combination is wrong. Finally, get a new coach, and probably at least one new assistant. Sacco is doing what he can but he is limited. Find a proper, preferably experienced talent to take charge.

Then you hope all this will work and allow the team to bounce right back next season. It’s possible. It’s also possible it fails, in which case a full re-build is very much on the cards and you may have simply prolonged the pain. Chances are the whole thing is not salvageable and some proper wilderness years are forthcoming. But I think they have to at least try and stave them off and, for better or worse, I think this suits the Bruins’ basic ethos and methodology much better than outright blowing things up. Whether they’ll be brave enough to make a proper go of it I’m not sure.
 
I have always been serious when I say I should be the GM. Cronyism at the top, hiring former players who don't know how to build teams as leadership was always a bad idea. They mortgaged years of fielding competitive Bruins squads by bringing in questionable talent and trading away their first rounders. And then, the following summer, they decide to build a team of just physically large players instead of getting players with skill or hockey sense.

The 2 best players are Pasta and Marchand (36 years old). You could see how thirsty Sway was to get paid early, even as an RFA, because I bet he knew his team was going to take a step back and so would his salary. Now he looks like what he is with an average team: average. But we get him for 8 more years at 8+.

It's time for new leadership, based on metrics and data. No more boys' club hockey intuition cronyism steering the ship. It's time to fire Don Sweeney and Cam Neely.

I'm willing to take the job, and I will put smart people in appropriate roles. No groupthink dysfunction.
 

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