Post-Game Talk: Wes Side Story

[McBeastMode]

In context, if the ref's arm went up as soon as the hold was initiated, Oilers had possession. So Garland could keep holding McDavid down until possession was lost.. So nothing would have changed..

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Works gonna be interesting tomorrow. Nucks fans haven’t wanted to talk much hockey lately.

It’s funny though, I’ve talked about how bad refs are and that they let things get out of hand and it’s up to the players to enforce when that happens. This was about the slewfoots mostly, but all types of crap always goes uncalled.

They agreed. This was all in the past week or so. It’ll be funny to see the change in tune.

 

[Fourier]

Garland admitting he was holding down McDavid should help the Oilers case at his hearing.

It also should alert the league that they may need to close this loophole. If the refs feel an infraction was done intentionally to circumvent the delayed penalty situation in the last minute, they will let play proceed. If time expiries without a goal or change in possession, they can call the penalty and roll back the clock to the time of the infraction.

The bolded should 100% be correct. My guess is it will have no bearing on the result. The NHL effectively condones what Garland did. It is at the heart of their game management to suppress the effectiveness of the league's best players in the name of parity. I honestly know of no other sport that allows this sort of thing. All the other sports try to protect and highlight their stars sometimes, as in the case of the NBA, to the extreme.

In the NBA stars almost always get the benefit of the calls. If you did to say Lebron what players regularly do to McDavid, guys would be fouling out left and right and Lebron would kill them at the foul line.

Rather I suspect that what Garland admitting he did does is makes the situation worse. It will inspire others to do exactly the same and we know that in most instances it will go uncalled.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

He should do that and also sit out the Four Nations. Everyone knows the league wants to use him to market it, so f*** them. They need to treat Connor fairly and if not they lose the privilege of profiting off his talent.

It would also give him some much-needed rest. Let Gary fine him/the team, his temper tantrum would be fun to watch after ten years of abuse our way.

I’d fully support that.

“I need to prioritize my NHL team and quite frankly I need to rest. It’s a grueling season with a lot of slashing, crosschecks, etc that go uncalled. I need to be ready for games that really matter.”

 

[OfCorsiDid]

I know there’s jest in this but gonna call this out and say it’s not needed. I don’t care about their trash fan base or team but we just don’t need to be typing thoughts that millions should die. Rise above.

That’s not really what I meant by the earthquake. I was just hoping they’d break off the mainland and set sea to wherever away from us.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Guessing McDavid gets 1 game. Myers 2.

 

[soothsayer]

The bolded should 100% be correct. My guess is it will have no bearing on the result. The NHL effectively condones what Garland did. It is at the heart of their game management to suppress the effectiveness of the league's best players in the name of parity. I honestly know of no other sport that allows this sort of thing. All the other sports try to protect and highlight their stars sometimes, as in the case of the NBA, to the extreme.

In the NBA stars almost always get the benefit of the calls. If you did to say Lebron what players regularly do to McDavid, guys would be fouling out left and right and Lebron would kill them at the foul line.

Rather I suspect that what Garland admitting he did does is makes the situation worse. It will inspire others to do exactly the same and we know that in most instances it will go uncalled.

Not every team approaches McDavid the way the Canucks do. There are a few teams, like the Canucks--the Kings too--whose strategy is often to do whatever they can to stop McDavid and essentially dare the refs to call the game by the book. The Canucks know the refs probably aren't going to call absolutely everything, and the calls they do make are worth the trade off. Sometimes it backfires, like against the Kings last year when the refs weren't having any of it, which is why the Kings were so mad at the refs during that playoff series, because they knew that was really their only workable strategy.

Anyways, the refs from last night are incompetent. The sequence between McDavid and Garland really began at the start of the game, when the Canucks held RNH and then tripped Nurse during their powerplay, which directly led to the goal. The rules of the game were set, and the Canucks knew they were going to get away with all manner of obstruction. They committed uncalled infractions all night.

It is the only way they can beat the Oilers, but if the refs are incompetents, it's a highly effective strategy. It is the only reason they won last night.

EDIT to add one more thing: I will never forget what Kerry Fraser said to Jason Gregor on his show a few years ago. He said, he always wanted the players to understand that the game was going to be called on his (i.e., Kerry Fraser's) terms. That said everything anyone needs to know about NHL reffing. Never mind the rule book; the refs themselves are the source of the rules. That's how they view themselves. And I wonder how narcissistic one has to be to think that way.

 

[Old Boys Club]

The bolded should 100% be correct. My guess is it will have no bearing on the result. The NHL effectively condones what Garland did. It is at the heart of their game management to suppress the effectiveness of the league's best players in the name of parity. I honestly know of no other sport that allows this sort of thing. All the other sports try to protect and highlight their stars sometimes, as in the case of the NBA, to the extreme.

In the NBA stars almost always get the benefit of the calls. If you did to say Lebron what players regularly do to McDavid, guys would be fouling out left and right and Lebron would kill them at the foul line.

Rather I suspect that what Garland admitting he did does is makes the situation worse. It will inspire others to do exactly the same and we know that in most instances it will go uncalled.

Yep. This will be the new standard play on McDavid in the last minute of games, especially in the playoffs. Unfortunately, this type of play is incentivized by the league. Game management and parity pushing executives serve to further the aggregate revenue of the league by manufacturing playoff aspirations for teams that would be well under .500 without Bettman points. The general nature of wordings and enforcement of the rules in the league leads to a product where the standards of the game vary wildly; an identically played game on one night could be a special teams fest, and on the next could be a 'game 7' depending on what the refs decide pre-game. Goaltender interference challenges might as well just pull up a roulette wheel on the scoreboard to determine the outcome, as the standard is so variant that no-one, not even the refs, know what goaltender interference is.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I think that cement block head parros will give McDavid 2 games b/c it has another Vancouver game in it.

He is a shit dman, but is Myers going to have a hearing too?

 

[McBeastMode]

Here's a list of the penalties....


19:57

Connor McDavid Match Penalty against Conor Garland
19:57

Tyler Myers Slashing against Evan Bouchard
19:57

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Roughing against Derek Forbort
19:57

Zach Hyman Roughing against J.T. Miller
19:57

Conor Garland Roughing against Mattias Ekholm
19:57

Elias Pettersson Roughing against Leon Draisaitl
19:57

Evan Bouchard Slashing against Tyler Myers
19:57

Mattias Ekholm Roughing against Conor Garland
19:57

Leon Draisaitl Roughing against Elias Pettersson
19:57

Derek Forbort Roughing against Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
19:57

J.T. Miller Roughing against Zach Hyman
19:57

Tyler Myers Match Penalty against Evan Bouchard

​

 

[Sra1974]

Yep. This will be the new standard play on McDavid in the last minute of games, especially in the playoffs. Unfortunately, this type of play is incentivized by the league. Game management and parity pushing executives serve to further the aggregate revenue of the league by manufacturing playoff aspirations for teams that would be well under .500 without Bettman points. The general nature of wordings and enforcement of the rules in the league leads to a product where the standards of the game vary wildly; an identically played game on one night could be a special teams fest, and on the next could be a 'game 7' depending on what the refs decide pre-game. Goaltender interference challenges might as well just pull up a roulette wheel on the scoreboard to determine the outcome, as the standard is so variant that no-one, not even the refs, know what goaltender interference is.

To be honest I’ve wondered why more teams don’t do this anyways in the last twenty seconds. Seriously, you are scrambling around, just tackle the guy. You likely aren’t touching the puck again, just neutralize someone.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Not every team approaches McDavid the way the Canucks do. There are a few teams, like the Canucks--the Kings too--whose strategy is often to do whatever they can to stop McDavid and essentially dare the refs to call the game by the book. The Canucks know the refs probably aren't going to call absolutely everything, and the calls they do make are worth the trade off. Sometimes it backfires, like against the Kings last year when the refs weren't having any of it, which is why the Kings were so mad at the refs during that playoff series, because they knew that was really their only workable strategy.

Anyways, the refs from last night are incompetent. The sequence between McDavid and Garland really began at the start of the game, when the Canucks held RNH and then tripped Nurse during their powerplay, which directly led to the goal. The rules of the game were set, and the Canucks knew they were going to get away with all manner of obstruction. They committed uncalled infractions all night.

It is the only way they can beat the Oilers, but if the refs are incompetents, it's a highly effective strategy. It is the only reason they won last night.

EDIT to add one more thing: I will never forget what Kerry Fraser said to Jason Gregor on his show a few years ago. He said, he always wanted the players to understand that the game was going to be called on his (i.e., Kerry Fraser's) terms. That said everything anyone needs to know about NHL reffing. Never mind the rule book; the refs themselves are the source of the rules. That's how they view themselves. And I wonder how narcissistic one has to be to think that way.

League also couldn’t let the Oilers leap frog Vegas and into 1st in the division.

Just shows how shitty the Canucks are. The Oilers have slept in their own beds once over the last 2 weeks and have criss-crossed all three time zones over that period, starting in Seattle, going to the east and finishing back on the west coast. Van still needed ref assistance to win.

 

[Fourier]

I think that cement block head parros will give McDavid 2 games b/c it has another Vancouver game in it.

He is a shit dman, but is Myers going to have a hearing too?

My guess is that they give both 2 games to keep them out of the game and to supposedly "keep tempers down". As if this has any basis in reality. But reality is often an afterthought in today's NHL.

 

[bellagiobob]

In context, if the ref's arm went up as soon as the hold was initiated, Oilers had possession. So Garland could keep holding McDavid down until possession was lost.. So nothing would have changed..

Heard a comment online that the refs have the discretion to blow the whistle even if the non offending team has possession and enforce the penalty. Not sure if that’s true or not.

 

[McBeastMode]

Heard a comment online that the refs have the discretion to blow the whistle even if the non offending team has possession and enforce the penalty. Not sure if that’s true or not.

That's only for Match penalties...


The Referee has the right to stop play immediately, regardless of which team is in possession of the puck, in the case of a Match penalty. The resulting face-off will take place in accordance with Rule 6.3

 

[CanadasTeam99]

If I am Edmonton and up a goal protecting an empty net with under 1 min left, I tell my guys to just start bear hugging everybody lol. Just keep doing it. At least 2 guys doing it. Tackle and just hold guys there. Make a mockery of it.

If a penalty is called, say post game "we thought that was ok"

 

[BlackDogg]

Part of me just wished Connor would do a tirade on the call and say he's out for the forseeable future. Hang up the phone. f***ing clown show. f*** their fore nations cup.

 

[Oilhawks]

and whoever did that is f***ed in the head too. that little guy went in the off limits book instantly..

so yeah, f***ed in the head is f***ed in the head regardless of whatever stupid hockey team you cheer for. i can't stand the oilers worth nothing, but for example in 2010 or 2015 i wouldn't say - massive wildfire devastating alberta communities - deserved.

We don't need you in here acting all morally superior, like I said, no one cares. Canucks fans are brutal, there is plenty of very public evidence to prove that as well. Just go away

It's NOT just some isolated cases either. Multiple riots, idiots goading a 10 year old kid to swear and make an ass out of himself in public and on video. Just a very embarrassing fanbase. And you coming in here acting all butthurt is case in point

 

[BlackDogg]

We don't need you in here acting all morally superior, like I said, no one cares. Canucks fans are brutal, there is plenty of very public evidence to prove that as well. Just go away

It's NOT just some isolated cases either. Multiple riots, idiots goading a 10 year old kid to swear and make an ass out of himself in public. Just a very embarrassing fanbase. And you coming in here acting all butthurt is case in point

I think you just opened Andora's box.

 

[ZJuice]

Hfcucks board must be slow if they have to come here for attention. Ridiculous that their mods are editing oilers fans posts on an oilers fan board because it hurts their feelings. Go back to hiding in the shadows lol

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[CROTT]

That's only for Match penalties...


The Referee has the right to stop play immediately, regardless of which team is in possession of the puck, in the case of a Match penalty. The resulting face-off will take place in accordance with Rule 6.3

The problem is only with the time remaining in the game, which should be irrelevant to how an obvious penalty should be called. They would have roughly been 17 seconds left when the refs should have called a penalty with the Oilers in possession of the puck. They may have played differently knowing that they’d get a whistle and a face off in the canucks zone with say 10 seconds left if the Canucks got a touch rather than have to chase the puck for an icing.

 

[soothsayer]

Love it. And I don't know who Rachel Doerrie is, but she slices and dices the NHL and hits the nail on the head. I can't imagine those two mouth breathing refs haven't seen some of this commentary and aren't just a little embarrassed. These guys are absolute incompetent narcissists.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

To be honest I’ve wondered why more teams don’t do this anyways in the last twenty seconds. Seriously, you are scrambling around, just tackle the guy. You likely aren’t touching the puck again, just neutralize someone.

We’d end up down 2 guys, refs would take their sweet time sorting out the calls, basically gifting another time out. We’d get screwed over if we tried this tactic.

 

[oilers4life5]

It doesn’t bother me. It’s the double standard that gets me. They let people pick on oiler fans in the mains and we just have turn the other cheek or get points/warnings and our posts deleted. That mcdavid cross thread was a prime example of what I’m talking about.

100 percent true. I pointed out that biased with proof and that lenardo mod told me to “get over it”. Just proves the point further.